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since when has anyone resisted Moria's fruit taking their shadow and being EE'd by the sun with Haki
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The Ghost of the Uchiha versus Monkey Boy
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They may work with gataling but if he commits to something like grabbing madara or goes into his giant form I don't see how he'd get out the way in time
Has ryou ever like exploded a person's insides? I know it causes internal damage but when he hit kizaru in the head shouldn't that have killed him then? Unless he hasn't use it post kaido
Well yes if madara stands still and allows luffys ultimate attack to hit him madara can possibly lose. Madara regened like 2 pages later though lol. Be again luffys ultimate attack is a GIANT EE target
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Madara isn't usually known to dodge attacks, especially not this form. Or I could be wrong, show me when Madara decided to dodge a giant attack in his Juubi form and not take it head on like he did with Guy.
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Could you explain how it works though?
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Here is what if found The original owner of the shadow will be forced to remain in darkness, as they will vaporize if hit by sunlight without their shadow.[18] Being unable to exist in light, the original owner is also unable to cast any sort of reflection and is also unable to be photographed.[19] It is worth noting that while being exposed to daylight after having one's shadows extracted usually means instant death, victims who had their shadows extracted for some time can actually last a little more under the sun than those who have had their shadows taken very recently; during the final battle against Moria, the shadowless Straw Hat members instantly had their upper bodies disintegrated while the Rolling Pirates actually lasted a little longer.
Turns out the whole EE thing is just vaporization.
Turns out the whole EE thing is just vaporization.
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Next time read the images that are given from the character with the ability.
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1 it’s limited it could just be vaporization with clever wording. In a DS it’s said Muzan cannot exist in the sunlight so does that mean sunlight can erase his existence?
2. It’s only based on one physical form the TSB affects soul and yin and Yang.
Also TSB have molecular manipulation which is above baseline.
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1. make a crt if you think its only vap. The translation given seem to suggest otherwise.
2. Read the pages more. Madness Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation with Willpower (Through sheer willpower, he can resist losing his mind when absorbing shadows through the Kage Kage no Mi. Shadows belonging to strong willed people are difficult to control, allowing them to rebel against Moria's pact which usually immediately submits a shadow to his supremacy and orders. Spiritual energy is contained within one's soul/life; this energy is represented by the fighting power or the Haki itself. Those with strong souls, which are homologous to shadows, resist the effects of Brook's soul manipulation),
And molecular doesn't matter when its already ee.
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According to the page. "Can block out all devil fruit abilities."since when has anyone resisted Moria's fruit taking their shadow and being EE'd by the sun with Haki
This is an ass comparison. It's EE, not vape.
Shadows are literally reflections of one's soul and Moria can still effect them.
Pretty sure Shuu's Deconstruction is atomic which is the same as TSO.
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If madara dosen't dodge an attack its because he wants to flex like show the kage that he has hashirama cells or because he can absorb an attack. The "biggest " attack madara faced was the night Guy and he literally couldn't dodge
He loves battle but he's not hidan
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Wouldn’t it just block out his ability to manipulate the shadow in the first place how would that mean they resist EE by default? If it hasn’t been done it can’t be used plain and simple.
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Haki itself is also a forcefield around you and not matter, which would counter that anyway
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That's only if they used haki to begin with, when getting their shadow taken. The existence erasure is apart of it's devil fruit ability
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What makes you think a simple forcefield will protect you from the truth seeker orbs. Naruto had Kurama clock and kurama avatars which are all forcefield yet he was still in danger from truth seeker orbs.
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Kurama's cloak isn't a real force-field. It's made of Chakra, which contains matter. Haki's force fields are different as they aren't made of matter, instead it's a projection of the user's will so there'd be nothing to deconstruct.
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This doesn’t work it’s just speculation if haki stop the shadow from being pulled in the first place you just resist shadow absorption not the EE aspect. If it hasn’t happened it can’t be used. If I am wrong please provide scans.Thats if they used haki to begin with when getting their shadow taken, the existence erasure is apart of the devil fruit's ability
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Obito said something about his sword of nunoboku(aka TSB) affecting the soul and willpower.Even the diety gates can affect someone’s willpower. Also the TSB are made up of yin and Yang which contains willpower. So haki isn’t helping here.
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Law didn't use haki and got affected by a devil fruit, he then was able to cancel the effects after getting affected
Would be the same how they stopped getting erased when having defeated moria
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That's only for the erasure. You can deconstruct souls and will since they don't contain matter to begin with.
Good for you.
Again, irrelevant to my point. I'm talking about the deconstruction, not it's erasure.
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Lmao. TSOs aren't deconstructing Luffy's Haki Emission.
As for Limbo clones, Luffy's future sight would allow him to know where/how to dodge their attacks, or just use his Kenbun to link to the senses of the Limbo clones, allowing him to essentially see them. On top of that, the clones can only be active for so long, so this isn't a very viable wincon.
As for Limbo clones, Luffy's future sight would allow him to know where/how to dodge their attacks, or just use his Kenbun to link to the senses of the Limbo clones, allowing him to essentially see them. On top of that, the clones can only be active for so long, so this isn't a very viable wincon.
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The clones themselves.... like I said in my original post.
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Containing concepts =/= erasing concepts.
Limbo clones aren't protecting him at all. Luffy doesn't need to look into Madara's eyes either. He can precog, see that Madara has won and then not look and rely on his sensory abilities to finish the job. And again, Madara won't get a chance to shield himself via TSOs because he in character uses that after taking a hit because Madara enjoys fighting, and auto-assumes that he’s stronger than his opponent.
Yes. When he’s calm Luffy passively sees the future. And Luffy’s mind in Gear 5 is constantly in a good state.
Things Luffy can also do.
Bajrang impacts without touching. If Madara is surrounded by TSO Luffy won’t grab him, and if they are in their neutral state Luffy zeroes in on Madara and hits him.
This is because they can regenerate. Madara won’t be able to regen even if the pain isn’t enough to keep him down, the internal bleeding will.
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Sir why would the clones allow that and katakuri said its only for a instant
He definitely dosen't passively see the future it's an ability you have to use. Regardless the future would just show him in a comatose state no reason he'd assume the light is what would gg him
He can do those things but a single touch will erase him. I'm not saying luffy will try to grab madara if he's wrapped in tso. I'm saying if luffy grabs madara specifically in his giant form then he is vulnerable to madara sending one of the TSO to EE him. Same for the BG that's just a giant target madara can erase
Madaras regen isn't supernatural its from his biology also internal bleeding wouldn't really hinder him because he has exterme pain tolerance since the sussano huets every cell in the body. He also knows medical ninjutsu so if he regen is nulled he can just heal the damage through other means
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There's literally nothing they can do to stop Luffy seeing from their POV.
And when we saw it happening, it was for that for an "instant." That's clearly just a figure of speech.
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Absorbing the God tree or sum shit like that. I wouldn't necessarily call it supernatural since it's based on his body Absorbing Hashi cells and the God Tree or something like that. Seems pretty blatantly biological to me.
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Then Luffy won't use those. He has other methods of attack, like say y'know... punching him?
This is true
It doesn't matter if he can tolerate the pain, if enough damage is dealt he physically can't move.
Since when?
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Luffy has no reason to do that at all, he only ever did that so his opponent didn't escape and go after his friends... He also instantly switch his body proportions to huge and base
Haki negates accelerated natural/biological regen... So if his regen comes from accelarating/enhancing is base natural regen, it gets negated
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That’s not how his regeneration works it’s purely biological and provided by ten tails/ god tree. We are arguing in circles at this point limbo clones, TSB, Chibaku tensei all keep luffy busy long enough for Madara to fly up and rip off his horn and that’s gg. My vote stay with Madara.
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Need a Tot Musica profile already so I can say he solo's nard.
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I have never seen a thread with so much abilities for a character that just isn't on his profile. This is laughable
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Such as? I'd like if you could elaborate rather than claiming random shit since Buso Haki has resistance to both EE and Deconstruction.
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Luffy is not getting resistance to EE. That's not how you get resistance. Mora takes their shadow and it makes them get erased because no one can survive without the shadow. The only person that got resistance is mora itself. Haki will not prevent luffy from getting erased. It might prevent his shadow from being removed I.e resisting the devil fruit but that's a different thing entirely.
Being resistant would mean if luffy shadow was taking by mora he'd be absolutely fine. Which is just not the case. Think of it like a magical sword produces fire. In this case the magical sword is mora fruit and fire is the effect. If your powers negate the sword and make it unable to produce fire. You're not resistant to the effects of said sword I.e fire resistant because you didn't even get hit by the fire. So thus is wrong and definitely not on his profile.
The cosmic awareness is that he shared vision with other people's eyes. That's is in no way helping his see limbo. He can't also sense or touch them .
That's cool and all but but they would continue to be a shield that blocks luffy and still won't take damage.
He can't transmit haki through them. Susanoo which is the embodiment of spirit also got erased by a tso. The moment haki comes in contact it
with it, it gets erased
The faq quite has a section where for willpower baed resistance you have to prove how it would work in cross verse matches or else it just doesn't.
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Better still when you make claims like this that people are not familiar with and somehow can't find on the haki page mind putting a link of where it got accepted?
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I think there's definitely some confusion here which I'll explain.
The Haki page is pretty odd admittedly since it doesn't list each individual resistance it grants. Currently it's just listed as "being able to block out all Devil Fruit abilities."
I'd actually agree with you that this makes it incredibly difficult for people who aren't familiar with One Piece to understand properly. Awhile ago I suggested listing everything Haki is resistant to instead of "all devil fruit abilities." Since the latter is vague as **** but ultimately I was out voted. Imo the page should be updated to make it easier for those who aren't familiar with the verse to understand what resistances they actually have.
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That's supernatural willpower you're referring to, Haki is different. "Spiritual energy is contained within one's soul/life; this energy is represented by the fighting power or the Haki itself. Those with strong souls, which are homologous to shadows, resist the effects of Brook's soul manipulation"
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Kaidou's regen is based on his body, as is the regen of Ancient Zoans.
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You're actually wrong. It is not supernatural willpower but just "willlpower". Oh wait so now spiritual energy is involved? If that's true then madara would just be straight up immune to luffy haki based attacks
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