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True, Kurama has no power over his own mind just because he's behind bars.Tell me right now you’re joking saying that Naruto’s prison for Kurama is the same as Kurama’s own mind while he’s still sealed.
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True, Kurama has no power over his own mind just because he's behind bars.Tell me right now you’re joking saying that Naruto’s prison for Kurama is the same as Kurama’s own mind while he’s still sealed.
Kurama does not remotely have as much control over Naruto’s mental world as Shigaraki and All For One have over their shared mental world. Sasuke suppressing a PIECE of Kurama that he managed to get through the seal is literally irrelevant and even then that would just mean ShigAFO has better mental defenses based on willpower than Kurama.True, Kurama has no power over his own mind.
So it wouldn't be Shig anymore? Sasuke would be fighting AFO? Does AFO fight different from Shig?That’s literally what AFO is always trying to do, take control of the body and puppet Shigaraki through it. If Shiggy’s mind or abilities get restricted then AFO swoops in like a thirsty vulture and yoinks the controller away.
Shigaraki isn’t even a real person he’s a defense mechanism personality created by Tenko Shimura. So Sasuke would go from fighting one consciousness to a different one.So it wouldn't be Shig anymore? Sasuke would be fighting AFO? Does AFO fight different from Shig?
Tell me Sasuke’s highest ranged attack in this key and whether he would in character run away to snipe from beyond tens of kilometers range. Any jutsu he has from that range gets obliterated by Air Cannon and ShigAFO permanently know where he is and can fly.Ngl, I just realized none of this matters, since Sasuke can just snipe him with his far superior range.
Check his range, lol.Tell me Sasuke’s highest ranged attack in this key and whether he would in character run away to snipe from beyond tens of kilometers range. Any jutsu he has from that range gets obliterated by Air Cannon and ShigAFO permanently know where he is and can fly.
Susano is restricted, Kirin clouds get blown away by Air Cannon before it even occurs on top of requiring set up which he does not have the time for since he dies from a single hit.Check his range, lol.
Plus, he has Susano'o arrows and Kirin, the latter of which outspeeds anything Shiggy has.
Specifically the senjutsu one is, not the other ones. Unless OP wants to reword that then it should be fine to be used.Susano
Can I get an answer to how he’s surviving Air Cannon first? It’s Shiggy’s second attack and Sasuke is not dodging it when they have Search.I'm not understanding why if sasuke sees AFO inside shiggys mental realm he can't just GJ him in there OR Genjutsu shiggy-AFO takes over shiggy-GJ AFshiggy
Tens of kilometers range Air Attack that is over 100x stronger than Sasuke. He is not dodging it.Why does search mean it can't be dodged? Sasuke has precog, a hawk he can ride in the air substitution jutsu etc
If he locks eyes with afo in the mental realm he can gj him, I'm not sure how decaying sasuke in thr mental world wouldndo anything. Sasuke is using Astral projection he's not actually going
GJ has tricked people with extra sensory abilites before so it's possible it can mess with search. Also how higher is air canon then sasukes ap. Because it's possible he could just counter with a fire style or anything else in his bag
Literally EVERY ninja knows not to look into the eyes of a sharingan user yet genjutsu still lands lol
Why not? Being strong doesn't make an attack harder to dodge.Tens of kilometers range Air Attack that is over 100x stronger than Sasuke. He is not dodging it.
No it isn'tSusano is restricted,
uhh what, Orochimaru's dimension includes all the souls he has to transfer into, which he has to constantly keep at bay to avoid them resurfacing which is what Sasuke was doing with orochimaru.Orochimaru’s willpower is pretty trash in comparison to OFA and AFO so that’s not very impressive to overpower him. His dimensions was based on his transfer ritual so he had hundreds x less minds within himself than AFO did before he got massively amplified by Shigaraki’s hatred, which in itself gets constantly amped the more he hates.
It's because I brought up the example of caged Kurama as a thing Sasuke drastically upscales off of.uhh what, Orochimaru's dimension includes all the souls he has to transfer into, which he has to constantly keep at bay to avoid them resurfacing which is what.
also why are people talking about a sealed away Kurama inside Naruto, nobody is talking about an early hebi shippuden sasuke, even a base sharingan is capable of subjugating a full 100% Kurama in the physical world let alone an EMS.
Sasuke didn't try to put Mei in a GJ, Yes you can avoid Sharingan GJ by avoiding eye contact but LITERALLY everybody who fights a Sharingan user knows that and they still get caught lolTens of kilometers range Air Attack that is over 100x stronger than Sasuke. He is not dodging it.
AFO doesn’t have eyes and decaying him would remove any presence he has there. This is assuming he does the astral thing anyway and doesn’t just try to paralyze Shiggy which would get negged.
Air Cannon is equal to Shiggy’s AP so it’s over 100x stronger than Sasuke he is not countering it. Shiggy = 557 GT, Sasuke = 4.3 GT.
Show me when Sasuke caught Mei Terumi in a Genjutsu if it always works. Hell Madara only snagged one of the Kage with Genjutsu and that was after literally holding him still, you absolutely can avoid Sharingan Genjutsu by just not making eye contact consistently.
But again. Tens of kilometers Air Cannon that is over 100x stronger than Sasuke. So he’s not even gonna get the chance to look in Shigaraki’s eyes since he gets instanuked in the first few seconds.
Banking Yamamoto soloes because he also uses Edo TenseiSasuke via his Bankai Yamamoto level Amaterasu and Genjutsu so powerful it affects people IRL.
Amaterasu is not a wincon if it 5k+ celsius.I briefly read through the arguments. Seems like Shigi doesn't have much of an answer to Sasukes amaterasu and Genjutsu which are pretty much activated via thoughts while Shigis attacks can be dodged and need to be physically performed.
I vote Sasuke fra
Proof of those being >the sun's surface?Amaterasu is not a wincon if it 5k+ celsius.
Endeavour was capable of burning number 6 plasma clone while trying to minimise damage with his prominence burn. Shigaraki has tanked and survived endeavor prominence burn and star n stripes super laser without dying. Those feat are far hotter than 5k+ celsius.
Plasma temperature can get really high up to millions of degrees which is far hotter than the surface of the sun by a huge margin but obviously I can't use that.Proof of those being >the sun's surface?
It says Plasma CAN do that, not that that's the average.Plasma temperature can get really high up to millions of degrees which is far hotter than the surface of the sun by a huge margin but obviously I can't use that.
Minor temperature rating I could at best give the feat would be 10k Celsius despite plasma being capable of getting hotter than that. Here's another short info if you are interested, Shigaraki is most definitely not getting burnt by amaterasu. As for the laser, that a more difficult subject cause laser temperature is absurdly higher than anything ama could dish.
Mha sub here doesn't have a temperature rating for the big heat feat at the moment because from what I can tell it higher than amaterasu.
It says plasma can reach said temperature and way beyond. If you do some research you will be aware of such information. The average plasma temperature is still 9000k to 10000k kelvin.It says Plasma CAN do that, not that that's the average.
Sasuke can also just fodderize Shigaraki with his Susano'o.It says plasma can reach said temperature and way beyond. If you do some research you will be aware of such information. The average plasma temperature is still 9000k to 10000k kelvin.
Here's another article that goes through the years about plasma. You don't need to read everything, you could just scroll and read the part that is coloured in yellow.
Ama is certainly not a wincon here especially when Shigaraki tanked laser from a state of the art fighters jet that was later turned huge and used to pierce him. If you googled out the temperature of a laser from a fighters jet, you will see how absurdly high it is.
If sasuke in character only has ama and genjutsu as his wincon then he doesn't have a wincon.
Amaterasu is not 5k+ it is 30k+ considering sasuke uses lightning and still prefers amaterasu heat. Secondly amaterasu is limited duraneg and burns people stronger and with greater resistance.Amaterasu is not a wincon if it 5k+ celsius.
Endeavour was capable of burning number 6 plasma clone while trying to minimise damage with his prominence burn. Shigaraki has tanked and survived endeavor prominence burn and star n stripes super laser without dying. Those feat are far hotter than 5k+ celsius.
Also, no one is arguing about genjutsu not working on Shigaraki, genjutsu will work on him but afo can puppet Shigaraki's body if Shigaraki ever got caught in a genjutsu.
Extrasensory perception Quirks, he does not need eyes. And no amount of Precog is saving him from the ground decaying around him and getting nuked if he tries to go into the air on a hawk. He literally has no where to go.Sasuke didn't try to put Mei in a GJ, Yes you can avoid Sharingan GJ by avoiding eye contact but LITERALLY everybody who fights a Sharingan user knows that and they still get caught lol
You right he dosen't have "eyes" but he can clearly see people so like how does that happen. Plus he dosen't have ears yet he hears people.
As for air cannons. Precog mixed with his body flicker+ substitution jutsu is great for avoiding techniques
Sasuke starts 4 kilometers away so he can’t use Genjutsu immediately and gets nuked. Amaterasu isn’t as hot as the sun unless Sasuke has resistance to heat equal to the sun, so Shigaraki just regenerates from it.I briefly read through the arguments. Seems like Shigi doesn't have much of an answer to Sasukes amaterasu and Genjutsu which are pretty much activated via thoughts while Shigis attacks can be dodged and need to be physically performed.
I vote Sasuke fra
Amaterasu isn’t as hot as the suns surface and even then it wouldn’t instantly kill Shigaraki before he kills Sasuke. Unless you believe that Sasuke should have heat resistance equal to the sun because he was near Amaterasu from Itachi and didn’t get burned.Proof of those being >the sun's surface?
Restricted, pay attention to the threadSasuke can also just fodderize Shigaraki with his Susano'o.
That is not how heat scaling works just cause he likes using Amaterasu, completely different abilities and applications for a fire that doesn’t stop burning and a lightning based technique like Chidori. He never uses Kirin cause it takes time to set up and he’s never been in a fight during the war where it would have been useful. Raikage blocked Amaterasu with his lightning cloak, if Amaterasu was hotter the heat would have gotten through and instantaneously fried him.Amaterasu is not 5k+ it is 30k+ considering sasuke uses lightning and still prefers amaterasu heat. Secondly amaterasu is limited duraneg and burns people stronger and with greater resistance.
And finally If afo tries to puppet shigaraki body sasuke would control said shigaraki in his genjustu to drive afo out. Simple as abc
Have you heard of jumping up?All Genjutsu and Amaterasu arguments are irrelevant if Sasuke cannot reach Shigaraki without dying.
Everything around him for nearly 4 kilometers is a decaying death zone and Shigaraki can nuke him from that distance and one shot him. He cannot make eye contact from that distance and even if he does he doesn’t know about AFO who takes over and nukes him again.
He cannot substitute with something because everything near him is decaying. If he’s in the air on his hawk then his hawk dies so does he from the ten thousand+ kilometer diameter Air Cannon.
Can someone actually tell me how he gets close first before continuing to wank Amaterasu or Genjutsu as if either matter given the range difference.