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Two redheads who are the main character's tough rivals are fighting

I think Nagato will win this match thanks to his immortality and hax
 
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Nagato because of his immortality, rips out your soul and it's over for the Katakuri
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Except Katakuri is immune to having his soul extracted, and regardless, having his soul ripped out wouldn't defeat him.

As for Nagato's immortality, Katakuri can incap him with his far superior LS (over a 13367.2559x difference)
 
Substitution Jutsu or not to mention Shinra Tensei just being used to blow Katakuri away, he’s not holding him in place for long at all.

Ngl this might be a stomp in Edo key cause Kat has no way of actually putting down Nagato
 
If there is nothing Katakuri can do against edo tensei, we can restrict edo regeni. Unless using Nagato's Edo Key is a stomp. If you don't mind using the Edo key, I won't change anything.
 
I'm definitely voting Katakuri here.

His base AP durability is already 5.2x and 4x higher than Nagato's base AP and Shinra Tensei AP respectively (22.4837704 Gigatons vs 4.3 Gigatons and 5.68 Gigatons), meaning that pretty much none of Nagato's regular attacks would do much of anything to Katakuri, and it becomes worse when he coats himself in Buso for defense.

When Katakuri uses his Devil Fruit, the AP of his attacks become 14x and 10.5x higher than Nagato's durability, which means that any single attack could oneshot him, momentarily taking him out of commission until he regenerates.

Katakuri's Advanced Kenbun would also allow dodge/see any attack that Nagato sends his way several seconds before he launches it out. This would be very hard for Nagato to deal with, as he has no meaningful speed amps to deal with it.

Katakuri can deal with Chibaku Tensei and Shinra Tensei pretty easily even if we ignore how his durability is higher than both of them (1.3x higher than Chibaku Tensei). Katakuri's body is made of Mochi, which was stated to be a special Paramecia with Logia qualities. Because of this, he'd be immune to attacks of this nature, as his body would just reform, and since Katakuri has over a 13000x LS advantage, he'd be unbothered by this.

On the topic of LS though, Katakuri would simply smother Nagato with Mochi, which counters Substitution Jutsu.


Katakuri can survive having his soul ripped via sheer willpower:

Resistance to Soul Manipulation via Willpower (Those with strong souls, which are homologous to shadows, resist the effects of Brook's soul manipulation)
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...with Brook's soul manipulation being able to pull the souls out from a horde of enemies. This is layered with Haki.

On top of this, even if Katakuri does get his soul ripped, he'd still survive. In One Piece, people have 2 souls. Their soul and their shadow. We know that they are separate things, because not only does Brook literally say so, but it was also stated by Lola ("when [shadows are] inserted inside a person with a soul..."). We know that individuals can live with just one and not the other. Individuals with souls but no shadows are able to live full-length lives as long as they don't step out into the sun, and individuals with shadows but no souls are able to do the same.

Whether Katakuri's soul gets ripped out or not, his shadow will still be there, and because of that, he'd still be able to fight.


All in all, I believe Katakuri wins here because of his vastly superior AP, Durability, and LS that would allow him to overwhelm and eventually incap Nagato. On top of this, his Advanced Kenbun would let him avoid getting hit by certain attacks, and his mochi body would allow him to not be effected of other attacks.
 
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There’s also the gravitational pull of Almighty Push and Chibaku Tensei. Certainly that would mess with Katakuri even with his LS advantage, afterall Pain could pull in and almost hold the 9 tails which was more powerful than him
 
MintyBoi1 said:
There’s also the gravitational pull of Almighty Push and Chibaku Tensei. Certainly that would mess with Katakuri even with his LS advantage, afterall Pain could pull in and almost hold the 9 tails which was more powerful than him
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Kachon123 said:
Katakuri can deal with Chibaku Tensei and Shinra Tensei pretty easily even if we ignore how his durability is higher than both of them (1.3x higher than Chibaku Tensei). Katakuri's body is made of Mochi, which was stated to be a special Paramecia with Logia qualities. Because of this, he'd be immune to attacks of this nature, as his body would just reform, and since Katakuri has over a 13000x LS advantage, he'd be unbothered by this.
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I'll go into the other arguments later but
Kachon123 said:
Katakuri can deal with Chibaku Tensei and Shinra Tensei pretty easily even if we ignore how his durability is higher than both of them (1.3x higher than Chibaku Tensei). Katakuri's body is made of Mochi, which was stated to be a special Paramecia with Logia qualities. Because of this, he'd be immune to attacks of this nature, as his body would just reform, and since Katakuri has over a 13000x LS advantage, he'd be unbothered by this.
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Pain's Chibaku Tensei is accepted at Class P, it's not reflected on the profiles because whoever updates them is a goofball.

Also a logia body doesn't make you immune to gravity manip. The mochi and Katakuri would just get sucked in.
 
True, but one argument is Katakuri just turning to Mochi, though if he’s already trapped in the ball I don’t see how that helps
 
Katakuri FRA
Godernet said:
Also a logia body doesn't make you immune to gravity manip
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It does...
he'd be immune to attacks of this nature, as his body would just reform,
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Godernet said:
Pain's Chibaku Tensei is accepted at Class P, it's not reflected on the profiles because whoever updates them is a goofball.
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he's also resistant to gravity manipulation via haki...

And the mochi restraining him can also have haki on top of it
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Nagato won't have any way to escape and it will be unavoidable because of katakuri's future sight and range/aoe
 
Kachon123 said:
I'm definitely voting Katakuri here.

His base AP durability is already 5.2x and 4x higher than Nagato's base AP and Shinra Tensei AP respectively (22.4837704 Gigatons vs 4.3 Gigatons and 5.68 Gigatons), meaning that pretty much none of Nagato's regular attacks would do much of anything to Katakuri, and it becomes worse when he coats himself in Buso for defense.

When Katakuri uses his Devil Fruit, the AP of his attacks become 14x and 10.5x higher than Nagato's durability, which means that any single attack could oneshot him, momentarily taking him out of commission until he regenerates.
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Yeah nope this is not happening. Nagato starting move always in nature is summoning. Immediately the fights starts he is going to summon so as to distract him while Immediately cloaking himself and making himself undetectable as he studied katakuri style of fighting from a distance. The summoning are going to wear down katakuri a lot. Specially the dog which he doesn't know how it works. He'd keep attacking it and it will just keep growing. Only way he can stop it is by pinning him down since his lifting strength is ridiculously higher. But that just makes him vulnerable to nagato
Kachon123 said:
Katakuri's Advanced Kenbun would also allow dodge/see any attack that Nagato sends his way several seconds before he launches it out. This would be very hard for Nagato to deal with, as he has no meaningful speed amps to deal with it.
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Yeah nagato doesn't need a speed amp. Katakuri has none to. Nagato can also summon different animals as well as birds while all share his eye and will enable him easily see any attack coming
Kachon123 said:
Katakuri can deal with Chibaku Tensei and Shinra Tensei pretty easily even if we ignore how his durability is higher than both of them (1.3x higher than Chibaku Tensei). Katakuri's body is made of Mochi, which was stated to be a special Paramecia with Logia qualities. Because of this, he'd be immune to attacks of this nature, as his body would just reform, and since Katakuri has over a 13000x LS advantage, he'd be unbothered by this.

On the topic of LS though, Katakuri would simply smother Nagato with Mochi, which counters Substitution Jutsu.
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First of all I'm pretty sure nagato soap jutsu is a direct counter for katakuri mochi so that's not gonna be an issue. Also it doesn't matter if his durability is higher in the case of CT , you're forgetting CT is not just a 1 time thing. It is constant. Something you're 1.3 times stronger than constantly pulling you spaming several seconds is gonna overpower you eventually

Kachon123 said:
Katakuri can survive having his soul ripped via sheer willpower:



...with Brook's soul manipulation being able to pull the souls out from a horde of enemies. This is layered with Haki.

On top of this, even if Katakuri does get his soul ripped, he'd still survive. In One Piece, people have 2 souls. Their soul and their shadow. We know that they are separate things, because not only does Brook literally say so, but it was also stated by Lola ("when [shadows are] inserted inside a person with a soul..."). We know that individuals can live with just one and not the other. Individuals with souls but no shadows are able to live full-length lives as long as they don't step out into the sun, and individuals with shadows but no souls are able to do the same.

Whether Katakuri's soul gets ripped out or not, his shadow will still be there, and because of that, he'd still be able to fight.


All in all, I believe Katakuri wins here because of his vastly superior AP, Durability, and LS that would allow him to overwhelm and eventually incap Nagato. On top of this, his Advanced Kenbun would let him avoid getting hit by certain attacks, and his mochi body would allow him to not be effected of other attacks.
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I believe I am not the only one that knows that resistance via will power does not give you resistance to the ability in cross verse match ups right? So no katakuri won't resist it. And Ningedo kills you straight away so explain the shadow stuff better for me. Are you saying even if he is dead his shadow can continue fighting?

All in all I believe nagato summons, hides, his summons wear katakuri down ridiculously by then he proceeds with shinra tensei and CT. When katakuri is eventually worn out he kills him with ningendo
 
Even if Katakuri does resist gravity manipulation (which I haven’t seen in the manga or on his page), Nagato’s LS with Planetary Devastation is too high for him to reasonably resist. Katakuri can only see seconds into the future which won’t prepare him for Nagato’s bag of attacks and hax.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Nagato won't have any way to escape and it will be unavoidable because of katakuri's future sight and range/aoe
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being able to see a few seconds in the future, isnt going to save you from massive AOE attacks specifically esoteric ones.

also not sure what you mean by range, per their profile

Katakuri's Paremecia powers and jelly beans range from ten or so upwards of a 100 meters, while Nagato's goes up to several thousand kilometers.
 
MintyBoi1 said:
Even if Katakuri does resist gravity manipulation (which I haven’t seen in the manga or on his page), Nagato’s LS with Planetary Devastation is too high for him to reasonably resist. Katakuri can only see seconds into the future which won’t prepare him for Nagato’s bag of attacks and hax.
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What's stopping Katakuri from escaping via his size manipulation and transmutation?
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
being able to see a few seconds in the future, isnt going to save you from massive AOE attacks specifically esoteric ones.
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Like? You do know kata can transmute his surroundings and also go through objects by doing that... (if you referring to Chibaku Tensei)
Shadowbokunohero said:
also not sure what you mean by range, per their profile

Katakuri's Paremecia powers and jelly beans range from ten or so upwards of a 100 meters, while Nagato's goes up to several thousand kilometers.
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Katakuri's range that's able to easily win via LS is hundreds of meters... Nagatos range does nothing.
 
That_moron2 said:
What's stopping Katakuri from escaping via his size manipulation and transmutation?
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Class P gravity manipulation would keep him in even if he turns to mochi. He’d have to escape a town sized ball of rock just with that.
MonkeyOfLife said:
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Definitely will... Nagato is the one who won't be prepared against kata
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The most I see there is resisting other Devil Fruit abilities which is an in verse thing that wouldn’t apply to Nagato who’s gravity manip is stronger than anyone’s in One Piece.
 
There is no plausible way for Katakuri to escape Nagato’s trump card while Nagato has his bird and almighty push to avoid being grabbed by Mochi. Nagato just has a better win con here.
 
MintyBoi1 said:
There is no plausible way for Katakuri to escape Nagato’s trump card while Nagato has his bird and almighty push to avoid being grabbed by Mochi. Nagato just has a better win con here.
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What's the wincon?... Having to get close to remove his soul which he won't know katakuri resists?
MintyBoi1 said:
The most I see there is resisting other Devil Fruit abilities which is an in verse thing that wouldn’t apply to Nagato who’s gravity manip is stronger than anyone’s in One Piece.
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Fujitora's gravity is Class P as well
 
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