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Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki

Everything12 said:
I never said that?


10+ high level hax, as in Phenomenon Intervation consists of over 10 different powerful sub-powers.
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Speaking of which Im curious
E12 with the new layers standards and the exclusion of Layers via scaling chain
How would anyone be able to prove infinite layers?
I mean unless its name dropped that a character has the capability to resist a hax infinitely then I would imagine it would be impossible to find infinite instances of this kinda logic happening:


For Example:
Character A affects Character B = Base Layer Potency
Character C resists Character A = Base Layer Resistance
Character D affects Character C = 1 Layer Potency
Characters E resists Character D = 1 Layer Resistance
Character A (post time skip) affects Character E = 2 Layer Potency

And you'd have to provide infinite instances of that happening lolol
 
@Ss3micah aren’t you too young to be making assumptions to me you little whipper snapper? 🗿

Thanks for reminding me how layers work, it’s like I knew that from the get go and the layers for BlazBlue stems from that.
 
Ss3micah said:
Speaking of which Im curious
E12 with the new layers standards and the exclusion of Layers via scaling chain
How would anyone be able to prove infinite layers?
I mean unless its name dropped that a character has the capability to resist a hax infinitely then I would imagine it would be impossible to find infinite instances of this kinda logic happening:


For Example:
Character A affects Character B = Base Layer Potency
Character C resists Character A = Base Layer Resistance
Character D affects Character C = 1 Layer Potency
Characters E resists Character D = 1 Layer Resistance
Character A (post time skip) affects Character E = 2 Layer Potency

And you'd have to provide infinite instances of that happening lolol
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Also whenever I hear about the amateratsu feat with the embryos I never see a scan or frame of reference towards it. Plus I always hear it being used as infinite layers of resistance negation impling each embryo already has some layer of resistance to resistance negation to that stack of infinite embryos. Even though it just sounds like range + resistance negation.
 
Theglassman12 said:
It’s not infinite embryos, it’s countless with what the original text implies, and it stems from Hibiki’s arcade mode with Izanami talking about what Amaterasu does.
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I only worry about countless vs infinite not being semantically the same word is with 2-B to 2-A stuff, also I don't see why an infinity of embryo converging into one would be negating anymore than just resistance baseline to absorption since that's still an quantitative amount of embryo which doesn't prove absorbing any one of them gains you a extra layer of resistance Negation that would just be potency to add on the low 1-C not layers.
 
The embryos are literal phenomena intervention who's also resistant to PI as shown with Es and Hinata and Raquel, Amaterasu's mere existence warps the countless embryos that exist into one, showing how powerful it is compared to even a wave of embryos in the Blazblue multiverse. Plus the resistance negation isn't stemmed from the Embryos being warped by Amaterasu, it stems from other feats from Terumi, Izanami and the other cast with noteworthy observation.
 
Theglassman12 said:
The embryos are literal phenomena intervention who's also resistant to PI as shown with Es and Hinata and Raquel, Amaterasu's mere existence warps the countless embryos that exist into one, showing how powerful it is compared to even a wave of embryos in the Blazblue multiverse. Plus the resistance negation isn't stemmed from the Embryos being warped by Amaterasu, it stems from other feats from Terumi, Izanami and the other cast with noteworthy observation.
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I've seen the profiles and at most it's three layers. Terumi "Can create a counter to an ability by just observing them, even if the ability he's reacting is also a reactive ability that allows resistance, can even adapt to distorted environments)" and izanami "Was capable of affecting Valkenhayn despite him being immune to Intervention, and with the Embryo, was able to affect everyone who was protected by Celica's immunity to intervention" would be the first layer, embryo would be second, amateratsu would be the third. Which no matter how many embryo get warped into one the wiki rn doesn't recognize quantitative merging as a way to gain layers.
 
@Ikelaggan And the infinite versions of Valkenhayn the embryo was able to hax across the multiverse by merely existing, which can be focused onto an individual object/person to increase in potency which the verse has shown with people like Kokonoe against Hakumen or Takamagahara against Terumi. Also you're ignoring an important piece of information in regards to hax affecting numerous folks, which is if you can focus the hax into a specific target which increases the potency it upscales immensely in terms of layers since it's more than just a range thing.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Ikelaggan And the infinite versions of Valkenhayn the embryo was able to hax across the multiverse by merely existing, which can be focused onto an individual object/person to increase in potency which the verse has shown with people like Kokonoe against Hakumen or Takamagahara against Terumi. Also you're ignoring an important piece of information in regards to hax affecting numerous folks, which is if you can focus the hax into a specific target which increases the potency it upscales immensely in terms of layers since it's more than just a range thing.
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The problem with that is your equating range being relative to potency using a multiverse which is the wrong form of potency when discussing layers, that's like saying an infinite 4D hax in range and potency is equal to infinite layers which doesn't work with how layers are being handled currently. Otherwise starwars would have some busted Jedi
 
Ikelaggan said:
The problem with that is your equating range being relative to potency using a multiverse which is the wrong form of potency when discussing layers, that's like saying an infinite 4D hax in range and potency is equal to infinite layers which doesn't work with how layers are being handled currently. Otherwise starwars would have some busted Jedi
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If they have shown that focusing on less characters can bypass resistance that they can’t when they influence infinite characters then that’s more than just range.
 
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guys

do i consider who would win if speed is unequal in this list

coz looney tunes characters might defeat sora if speed is unequal
 
Delta333 said:
If they have shown that focusing on less characters can bypass resistance that they can’t when they influence infinite characters then that’s more than just range.
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Except that last part where they can't doesn't really happen here since the embryos don't get focal point focused on to negate they're resistances they just get three layer haxed above they're two layers of resistance Across an infinite amount of them simultaneously.
 
@Ikelaggan did you like read the second half of my point or did you just ignore that to bring up a standard that doesn't matter here, especially when it pertains to affecting someone like Valkenhayn who has a natural resistance towards PI in the first place? You say that like Hinata and Es don't exist and do literally just that with beings like Touya or Ragna, your point doesn't work when there's still more to it than just the range itself.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Ikelaggan did you like read the second half of my point or did you just ignore that to bring up a standard that doesn't matter here, especially when it pertains to affecting someone like Valkenhayn who has a natural resistance towards PI in the first place?
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Yeah, I read your second point "which can be focused onto an individual object/person to increase in potency which the verse has shown with people like Kokonoe against Hakumen or Takamagahara against Terumi."
But the hax page "Layering is the ability to break through resistances to one's ability/hax. Successfully using an ability against a resistant character means that the ability is "layered." Further, resisting a layered ability is an indication of layered resistance, so on and so forth. An ability becoming stronger does not automatically mean it is layered unless it is shown to overcome a resistance. Crucially this is not the same as resistance negation, against which layering is irrelevant." Pretty much makes layering redundant after that point mechanically.
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Hax

Hax is a catch-all term for abilities that can be used to ignore/bypass one or more of a target's statistics, rendering them irrelevant. The most common hax are the ones that ignore durability, and their scale/potency are unrelated to their users' AP & Tier, however, they can be measured with...
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Theglassman12 said:
You say that like Hinata and Es don't exist and do literally just that with beings like Touya or Ragna, your point doesn't work when there's still more to it than just the range itself.
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Yeah cause you're more expecting me to do most of the profile combing for you to prove your claim with a scan like I did with the last time for terumi and izanami to even find it existed. I Literally have to be this nice and use my Observation to bring your claim into existence to even fight it.
 
Eseseso said:
Morgana?

Also, D&D Low 1-C's have thought-based 1-A hax plus 20 weeks of precognition that works on Type 4 Acausals.
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something to note D&D's 1-A hax are like 2 BFR spells, and a madness type 3 spell. As well only the greater gods have the multi week precog and it is mostly limited to specific things like the raven queen knows everyone who is going to die with in 16-17 week ahead.
 
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@Ikelaggan ok so you are just flat out ignoring what I said when I literally said Valkenhayn has a resistance towards PI and the embryo still haxed him across every single reality ever, among many others who have a defense against PI.

Is it too much for you that you just ask someone for scans when they make an argument? Like seriously how hard is this for you to ask? I do the same thing when you argued for Guilty Gear having type 5 Acausals but returning the favor is too much now?
 
Theglassman12 said:
Is it too much for you that you just ask someone for scans when they make an argument? Like seriously how hard is this for you to ask? I do the same thing when you argued for Guilty Gear having type 5 Acausals but returning the favor is too much now?
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It's not hard to ask for evidence to support an argument, but I don't owe you a favor like we're in the same boat for just getting on the Type 5 Casuals list.
 
Never said you owe me a favor, I asked for scans when you argued for type 5, I didn’t complain that it’s nowhere in the pages at all, something you’re doing right now when just asking directly is apparently too much.

Either way this conversation is derailing enough on this thread.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Ikelaggan ok so you are just flat out ignoring what I said when I literally said Valkenhayn has a resistance towards PI and the embryo still haxed him across every single reality ever, among many others who have a defense against PI.

Is it too much for you that you just ask someone for scans when they make an argument? Like seriously how hard is this for you to ask? I do the same thing when you argued for Guilty Gear having type 5 Acausals but returning the favor is too much now?
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Is there a way for you to clearly explain the infinite layers?

Especially with the new rules on layers, an explanation for this would be greatly appreciated.
 
Eseseso said:
I think he was asking how high would he rank on the list, and from what I can tell he's #7 since he probably beats the lowest few but stops hard at Kratos
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i think it will be different if he is against full power han soo (Low 1-C)
 
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Pedonar said:
i think it will be different if he is against full power han soo (Low 1-C)
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  1. I can't see any regen negation to mid-godly or high godly in his profile.
  2. Not sure if he can affect type 1 abstract existence or HDE (if it means anything).
  3. He cant absorb Han Soo concepts since he has divine protection. Because of it, the will of the universe, considered the strongest in the verse and the source of all concepts couldn't absorb his concepts. His divine protection is similar to Sinbad but not at the same level.
  4. Han Soo will just absorb his hope.
  5. Han Soo has many attacks that ignore attacks, stats, and durability, that instantly kill the opponent
 
Pedonar said:
  1. I can't see any regen negation to mid-godly or high godly in his profile.
  2. Not sure if he can affect type 1 abstract existence or HDE (if it means anything).
  3. He cant absorb Han Soo concepts since he has divine protection. Because of it, the will of the universe, considered the strongest in the verse and the source of all concepts couldn't absorb his concepts. His divine protection is similar to Sinbad but not at the same level.
  4. Han Soo will just absorb his hope.
  5. Han Soo has many attacks that ignore attacks, stats, and durability, that instantly kill the opponent
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Make a vs thread for PoH Kratos vs Low 1-C Kang
 
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