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Ss3micah
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  • hey short question

    Whats so impressive about Arale being above Toribot? Doesnt Toribot get fodderized by random characters?
    I saw that you did not participate in yesterday's beerus l1c discussion and I read the mods' ridiculous answers
    There can't be an outlier where Beerus destroys Arale because I think it should be enough for Dr. Slump to seriously beg Beerus not to kill Arale if Dr. Slump is not going to take anything DB scale, Arale 2c key should be removed and plot l1c should be removed Another proof that Beerus is serious is the direct destruction of Dr. Mashirito.
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    That’s not really the main premise here. The origin point of contention is how you’re trying to scale DBS characters to Low 1-C.

    First off, Before The Dr. Slump episode…. Hakai has never ever been shown, depicted nor stated to have any remote inclinations of being 5-D in nature or power. And even after the Arale episode…. No other episode has surfaced which proves this notion either.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence after all and what is trying to be pushed here is to try and make Hakai get an extraordinary dimensional leap in potency. And the reason being a one time feat with no other supporting evidence.

    If there were some kind of inclination to Hakai being 5-D beforehand or some other supporting evidence then sure… But as of now this is just a stand alone feat by itself.

    Furthermore, the characters of Dr Slump are blatantly inconsistent and purposefully ridiculous. They themselves address inconsistent and logic breaking shenanigans in their own verse on a daily basis. There is no system of strength and power such as Ki, Chakra, or Rietsu for them. They simply are strong as they need to be at any given moment.

    What you are trying to have done hear essentially. Is try to create a stable and concise and consistent scaling chain from characters who are anything but said things. There is a legitimate reason why despite Kid Goku keeping up with Arale in a race… no one tried to scale him to her speed. Or why despite Great Ape Goku tanking a blast from Obotchaman (literal Perfect Copy of Arale) no one scales him Arale’s AP stats.

    Those feats are in a vacuum and Connor be properly supported. Nothing prior suggest those characters have those level of stats and nothing after supports it either. Ultimately you will have moments when both DB characters and Dr Slump characters intersect with each other. But under no circumstances should DB characters states be DIRECTLY scaled from a Dr. Slump character.

    Because what you’d end up doing then is creating a scaling chain for the consistent characters having a starting point with an inconsistent logic breaking gag character and a one time interaction that can’t be supported any further than just that one instance

    There is a reason why despite Ben 10 taking on Generator Rex in a Canon crossover. Neither character scales to each others stats. That’s because nothing suggests prior that their stats are at that level and nothing after supports the notion either

    If you wouldn’t call it an outlier
    It would DEFINITELY be Plot Induced Stupidity which there is an actual Wiki page explaining. It’s just a moment that happened for the sake of the plot and not a moment that is meant to have serious scaling moments taken from.

    Long story short
    Don’t scale DB canon characters directly from feats performed by Dr Slump characters. It will not be acknowledged especially if no further support evidence can back up the claim.
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    If you want to get Beerus up to Low 1-C. Then either:

    1. Find at least one more piece of supporting evidence from the DB material scope that would support Hakai being 5-D

    Or

    2. Get people to accept Kid Goku (and scaling from him pretty much a majority of DB characters) as being as strong and/or as fast as Arale. At least then you can make a case for one time feats in Dr. Slump being useable for DB characters.

    If you can’t do either then the road ends right here because Beerus being Low 1-C will simply never happen. Not for the current reasons at least
    Hi. You seem to be the source of the Dr. Slump scan. What episode was it?
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    1. How you deduced me being the source is interesting
    2. Yeah I know the episode number
    3. I can definitely tell you but does it matter? I mean the thread already got unanimous disagreements and plus we already had a thread about using wacky toon stuff established Dr Slump and scaling it to consistent characters in DB
    Deagonx
    Deagonx
    I just want to check on it. What's the episode number?
    Ss3micah
    Pre-Death Chara is a normal human child by Undertale standards.

    Post-Death Chara is present only as an energy (not really a spirit because they don't have a soul) during our journey in the Underground and, during a Genocide Route, they can occasionally and briefly possess Frisk which is their only means of interacting with the world. They were "revived" by the Determination of the player's soul interacting with their corpse.

    Absolute Chara, their peak, is just Chara existing as an abstract force of energy lacking a body or a soul, who doesn't require either of those things to access any and all power they possess and use it to interact with the world, they can tap into a giant pit of accumulated Determination to perform feats on par with other high-DT users, such as Frisk. Both Frisk's and Chara's Determination comes from the Player's soul though I don't think the wiki currently acknowledges that detail. Absolute Chara is NOT bound by a physical form, Frisk isn't even there anymore actually, but they have access to generally all of the hax that Frisk would have due to Determination, because of basic Determination scaling.

    Fyi, in Undertale, Determination is a power source that can physically be manifested and used. Generally speaking, only human souls have it, and there is so far only one Monster we know of who has developed her Determination naturally, that being Undyne. While it does correlate with the emotion called "determination", Toby Fox used some clever word play here. To be specific, Determination in Undertale is mostly linked to the will to live, however, when the character who officially named it that put the name in place, she wasn't thinking of the word determination which can be used interchangeably with words such as perseverance (which is a type of soul trait in the game), she named it that because of the main use, the ability to defy/cheat death, which can reshape someone's body when they are at the brink of death, cause regeneration, or even allow the user to reverse time if they die, among a PLETHORA of other uses.

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    Termination-"The end of something in time; the conclusion."

    "DE-TERMINATION".

    God I love Undertale.
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    I really appreciate the time that you took to actually respond and make this explanation lol.
    Thanks 😊

    But getting back to the matter at hand
    Yeah, if Chara really is an Abstract force lacking Body and a Soul then Arale would resort to Plot Hax far sooner than necessary as that is the only way for her to affect Abstract entities on Chara’s level.

    The plot creates, governs and controls all of reality across a massively above baseline 2-B range and it can also govern the actions of Abstarct Entities so she could easily just write the plot to make Chara give up the battle or just Force End the Plot (ending the plot BTW will end of Reality across a massively above baseline 2-B range and all things in it) and this wouldn’t affect Arale as she has resistance to Plot Manipulation and can exist after the plot ends but since Chara doesn’t have that resistance nor does her NEP include Aspect 5 Narrative, the plot would end and erase Chara as well or at least leave her in a completely inactive state as chara no feats of taking action in a Area/Place/Space where Narrative no longer exists.

    So GG to Arale all the same
    4. In the Dr. slump universe, Dr. mashirito is an author avatar and has Acausality type 4. Shouldn't beerus, the god of destruction who destroyed Dr. mashirito, have Acausality tüpe 4 negativity?
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    Not on this VBW in the least sadly.

    For 1.
    Mashirito doesn’t have a profile so it’s a coin toss on whether he’d be treated as an avatar or not. He likely would be treated as such but still he doesn’t have a profile as of yet.

    And 2.
    Erasing a being with Acausal 4 doesn’t grant Acausal 4 negation. As of now, Acausal 4 beings have no innate resistance to EE nor any protection to EE so erasing a being with Acausal 4 would be just as impressive as erasing someone who doesn’t have Acausal 4.
    Matrixxxx
    Matrixxxx
    So will there be a profile of Dr. mashirito?
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    At some point yeah
    But on the list of things to priority
    He’s quite low so expect his profile to take a while
    Micah I wanna hear your thoughts on this scan https://imgur.io/a/s5QUniA isn’t this a 5D avatar viewing Dr Slump as fiction on a page and erasing it?
    TheGodOfICE777
    TheGodOfICE777
    I know I’m wondering now if Beerus’s EE scales to any of the Dr Slump’s 2-B Hax do you think so or no?
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    I think not
    And regardless it would still be 4-D EE regardless
    TheGodOfICE777
    TheGodOfICE777
    I know itd Still be 4D but I’m wondering if dr slump resists any 2B EE
    Hi I'm one of the biggest fan of Plot manipulation users, I just remembered Arale, could you confirm its different layers? I know that "she > casting > Author" i'm i right? if I understood the profile correctly.
    She should also have better acausality in her profile because narrative causality doesn't work on them, including paradoxes, and the fact that she can leave the narrative. (a bit like the altair profile for the same reasons).
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    Yup
    I pretty much had all of that considered for the next CTR
    Also there is no need to defend the layers lol
    They have already been established and accepted
    They were written on the profile at one point but removed because its against policy
    But as for the layers themselves, there is no need to worry
    NannoKarma
    NannoKarma
    Okay if I notice anything new I will come back. Do not hesitate to identify me or link me on the CRTs.
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    Sure thing
    So uh, do you mind helping me here?
    Is Arale the most powerful Dragonbal character right now? 🚔
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    Well she is more so a Dr. Slump Character rather than a Dragon Ball.
    As for your question, Im not sure if she is or isnt the strontest (considering you have DBH characters) but she is definitely Top Tier
    I need someone to help me make a script and the art for part 2 of what if kevin was in dragon ball. Dm me
    You're pretty knowledgable on Dr. Slump, right? Do you know where God (manga) scales?
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    Ss3micah
    I'll be honest
    Scaling him is pretty hard given he barely has any appearances throughout the whole series
    And in the few appearances he does have, he barely does anything noteworthy
    TBH I doubt we'll ever create a profile for him given he barely does anything and scaling him is quite difficult
    BOEGVELD
    BOEGVELD
    That's too bad, but thanks for the answer. I was curious due to seeing some people say he's the creator of the galaxy/universe.
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    Hey
    That would give him Galaxy/Universe Tier via Hax
    I was referring more to his physical stats
    Those are kinda unknown to me
    Pugao_03
    Pugao_03
    Hi, sorry to answer again, but I wanted to ask you something else, according to a guide when becoming Super saiyan, the person gets a greater ferocity and the color of the eyes changes, but when the arale copied the transformation this did not happen (in addition to having cheated on certain requirements, because in dbs it is necessary to have ki, would arale then have improved or I don't know?)
    And I don't know if it could be applicable, but in a part of the manga she writes her own panels with her starring and in one of them she becomes the "ultraman" to defeat a monster 🗿
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    Alright...
    First addressing the Super Saiyan point.
    Its NOT super saiyan, its her own version of the Super Saiyan Transformation called "Super Saiyan-Esque". The "Esque" is meant to be an indicator that meant to resemble the super saiyan transformation but ultimately is not it. Furthermore, Arale is NOT a Saiyan. Why would she need to follow the requirements of Super Saiyan when she's NOT a Saiyan nor exactly using Super Saiyan. Also last thing you need to remember is that this is Dr. Slump not Dragon Ball. The most Illogical stuff happening is just another day to them and naturally defy logical expectations so there is no sense in trying to apply DB Logic to them.

    As for the scan you posted
    Yeah we already saw and implemented that many CTRs ago. At this point there is NOTHING in the manga that anyone can present that would surprise as we have read through the manga ten times over and considered ever possibility.

    Lolololololololololol
    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    Anyways we are pretty much done with Arale now and are working on a profile for Toribot.
    Welp
    Hope I answered all your questions and concerns
    🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
    Pugao_03
    Pugao_03
    Yes thank you!, arale is really Op 😅 🐒 💪
    Micah, I require your aid. I need the card effect source, the most recent one we had been using. The blog requires it.
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    You could have messaged me on discord Lolol
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    Yuraga
    Nevermind I found it, thank you anyways.
    Tell them about super shenron and all the summons haxes since trunks has the awakened keysword and chrona and demigrah can awaken Goku’s key sword
    hey ss3.
    so basicly after the dr slump upgrade concludes.
    can we put a "low 1-c via summoning" to anyone who could summon arale or cc goku (because cc goku could summon arale)
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    I alomst regret the CTR. I never would have imagine one character would cause such an uproar in the DB Community
    Braking
    Braking
    We are rising in the ranks
    Ss3micah
    Ss3micah
    I told you not to make it YET!
    I was gonna make it myself or ask Viethaii to make it as he had other ideas and implementations
    You were WAYYY to Eager for this
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