Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

[Bobsican]

They don't really change anything here, the reason why shedninja was really that high in the first place was wonder guard, everybody else on the list can absolutely deal with them (actually I'm decently sure shedninja shouldn't have even passed Onmiyoji peeps considering how at worst they absolutely have both the NPI and fire manip to hit and kill him, and if you aren't being hyper specific Yin stuff absolutely would pass as ghost type attacks

Iirc wasn't the main reason for Shedninja getting up that high due to tera electric air balloon strategies (which I don't think would apply in an out of game fight but here we are)? Correct me if I'm wrong

It had to do with Shedinja invalidating Kessler's kit natively. Tera Ghost on its own is way more effective in battleboarding as the Ghost-type has no verse-equalizable weaknesses, but given Shedinja is not native to Paldea this is limited to an optional thing that by extension is not usable for the lists.

 

[deonment]

It had to do with Shedinja invalidating Kessler's kit natively. Tera Ghost on its own is way more effective in battleboarding as the Ghost-type has no verse-equalizable weaknesses, but given Shedinja is not native to Paldea this is limited to an optional thing that by extension is not usable for the lists.

shrug
I mean I can kinda conceptualize why Kessler is currently higher than Omniyoji Peeps, but they do just outright stomp Shedninja (and they could maybe go higher, but I'm not part of the verse supporters so I'm not gonna argue that)

 

[Bobsican]

Anyways, would recommend to replace Shedinja with "Characters from Pokémon (mainly Shedinja and Smeargle)" as Smeargle does beat the 3rd slot in 7-B, I tried the second slot but the opponent there just absorbs Spore and has stuff that can't be really copied/nulled without pulling NLFs.

Or well, it may be wise to wait for DT to defend his newly brought-up characters just in case (or would a vs thread be liked more?).

 

[Livinmeme]

Anyways, would recommend to replace Shedinja with "Characters from Pokémon (mainly Shedinja and Smeargle)" as Smeargle does beat the 3rd slot in 7-B, I tried the second slot but the opponent there just absorbs Spore and has stuff that can't be really copied/nulled without pulling NLFs.

Or well, it may be wise to wait for DT to defend his newly brought-up characters just in case (or would a vs thread be liked more?).

The reason is that some random feral animal with an IQ of around 50, suddenly gets possesed by a min maxer which make him lead with some BS powergaming strategy? Wut

 

[Bobsican]

The reason is that some random feral animal with an IQ of around 50, suddenly gets possesed by a min maxer which make him lead with some BS powergaming strategy? Wut

Pokemon are not that dumb, they can speak to the same capability as a human within their own language, and in fact it was still agreed on that Spore is among Smeargle's first leading moves.

 

[Livinmeme]

Pokemon are not that dumb, they can speak to the same capability as a human within their own language, and in fact it was still agreed on that Spore is among Smeargle's first leading moves.

Eh. That still implies that he will start with that combination of move, instead of other equally strong moves. Also put this chinaman in some empty place in 5-B, 5-A, High 5-A, and High 4-C

 

[Bobsican]

Well, that doesn't really change much as the sleep inflicted by Smeargle's moves does not wake up the opponent upon hitting them with an attack afterwards.

 

[Livinmeme]

Well, that doesn't really change much as the sleep inflicted by Smeargle's moves does not wake up the opponent upon hitting them with an attack afterwards.

He still needs to think about pulling that exact move out of like...One thousand

 

[Bobsican]

Not quite as it's still one of the few moves Smeargle gets without Sketch, meaning it's within a leading tool kit.