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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode V Attack of the Fanons

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That series was apparently from 2014, and is considered Legends canon.
 
I'll have to look further into that. Starwars.com also sells and advertises Legends merchandise, and the article itself could be republished from the old databank. For now, it does seem to be canon, though.

Edit: The 2014 fact file was republished from a 2013 Legends fact file. I guess it's canon, but should be taken with a hefty grain of salt depending on what issue that scan comes from.
 
The ROTS junior novel was made in 2005. It's Legends now, but not when they made it.

Pretty much none of those novelizations, or Labyrinth of Evil, actually have the Legends banner. They're still non-canon, though.
 
Which ROTS novel are you talking about? I'm talking about the 2005 one.

Edit: It was made in 2005 by Schoolastic/Lucasfilm and published by Disney-Lucasfilm as an E-Book collection in 2014. They still sell these books, but that doesn't mean they're canon. It's basically been paved over by the new canon.

What Del Rey statement?

Edit 2: Everything I've found seems to suggest they've outright shed everything except the films and Clone Wars to just relaunch the franchise.
 
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Tbh, I highly doubt that what they say is actually valid. Everything else (including Disney) seems to suggest that they were paved over, and the novels themselves just don't fit with the new canon.
 
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The operating word is "where they align with what is seen on screen." They also specify that they meant the Clone Wars film, not events surrounding the show, meaning Labyrinth of Evil is non-canon (I'm not saying you said that, just bringing it up). So you've debunked your own argument, especially since the novels are extremely different from the films in actions and dialogue.
 
That's a big assumption, but I'll entertain it for the moment. The book doesn't even present him as physically outclassing Windu in the slightest.
  • No number of battle droids could hope to separate Mace and Obi-Wan, so perfect were their movements, so attuned were they to each other. But the sheer bulk of the reek was too much even for a pair of lightsabers, and when the furious beast charged at the two Jedi, they had no choice but to dive apart. The reek followed Mace, and he had to slash wildly to fend it off. He did manage to drive it back, but was butted and lost his lightsaber in the process. He came up facing the reek, and figured that he could outmaneuver it to get his weapon back easily enough, but then an armored rocket-man flew down in his path, blaster leveled. Mace reached out with the Force and brought his lightsaber flying to his hand, moving like lightning to parry Jango's first shot. With the second shot, Mace was more in control, and his parry sent the bolt right back at the bounty hunter. But Jango was already in motion, diving sidelong and coming around ready to launch a series of shots the Jedi's way. He was stopped by the reek. Unable to distinguish friend from foe, the reek bore down on Jango. He scored a couple of hits, but they hardly slowed the beast, and he was tossed away. The reek charged him, trying to stomp him as he rolled about desperately. Jango was fast, though. Every time he came around, he fired again, and again, his bolts burrowing into the furious reek's belly. Finally, the huge bullish creature swayed, and Jango wisely rolled out the far side, opposite Mace, as the beast collapsed. The Jedi was on him immediately, lightsaber weaving through the air. Jango dodged and lifted into the air with his rockets, trying to keep one step ahead of that deadly blade and to occasionally fire a bolt at Mace. The man was good, Mace had to admit. Very good, and more than once the Jedi had to parry desperately to turn a bolt aside. He kept up his offensive flurry, though, keeping Jango on the defensive with sudden stabs and slashing cuts. One misstep... And then it happened, all of a sudden. Mace started to slash to the left, cut it short and stabbed straight out, then reversed his grip and sent the lightsaber slashing across, left to right. He spun a complete circuit, coming around to parry a blaster shot, but there was no shot forthcoming. That left to right reversal had cleanly landed. Jango Fett's head flew free of his shoulders and fell out of his helmet, to settle in the dirt.
Plus, it does get details wrong. Jango rolls towards Windu and the latter never attempts to slash at him. Plus he destroyed Jango's blaster and then turned around to decapitate him.

I will 100% grant you that he probably scaled to them in terms of reaction speed, but not their telekinetic power.
 
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The old prequel novelizations being Canon keeps being brought up. And I keep bringing this up:

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Emphasis on Hidalgo's words: "if they were canon"

Hidalgo is creative executive of the Lucasfilm Story Group and one of the highest ranking authorities on the Star Wars Canon. His word trumps Del Rey's.

The Lucasfilm Story Group does not consider the old prequel novelizations as Canon. I know. It sucks. Because those were damn good books, especially the ROTS novelization by Matthew Stover, which is easily one of the best Star Wars books ever.
 
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The old prequel novelizations being Canon keeps being brought up. And I keep bringing this up:

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Emphasis on Hidalgo's words: "if they were canon"

Hidalgo is creative executive of the Lucasfilm Story Group and one of the highest ranking authorities on the Star Wars Canon. His word trumps Del Rey's.

The Lucasfilm Story Group does not consider the old prequel novelizations as Canon. I know. It sucks. Because those were damn good books, especially the ROTS novelization by Matthew Stover, which is easily one of the best Star Wars books ever.
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To be fair, the old Revenge of the Sith novelization does have many differences and contradictions to the film version. They're even outlined in the wiki: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_III_Revenge_of_the_Sith_(novelization)
 
Darth Vader #11 (2020) came out today. To make a long story short, it ties into everything from the Sequel Trilogy, specifically Rise of Skywalker.

I won't spoil it until everyone has had a chance to read it.
 
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Darth Vader #11 (2020) came out today. To make a long story short, it ties into everything from the Sequel Trilogy, specifically Rise of Skywalker.

I won't spoil it until everyone has had a chance to read it.
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Oh Boy, can't wait to see what they have in store for Vader....
 
This whole series just keeps proving that Palpatine is superior to Vader.
 
There's like 3 statements, and 2 of them are provably b.s/Palpatine lying through his teeth.

This was at the start of the series. Plus, conflict can also make Sith stronger.
 
No, Vader being a better duelist, being the most powerful sith in the galaxy, most dangerous person in the galaxy, more strongest person in the galaxy, stuff like that. Nothing to do with Sidious lying. Vader is also > Sidious in legends.
 
The most dangerous statement comes from tactical knowledge that doesn't even mention Palpatine because they know nothing about his Force powers.

Vader struggles with Grievous-level and below Yoda-level opponents. Palpatine matched Windu and Yoda, and has also defeated multiple guys on par with Grievous on two occasions. I know about that statement, and feats completely contradict it.
 
Who? Also, Vader beats Old Ben, who scales above Rebels Ahsoka (Maul was injured when they fought, but Ben is still above), Rebels Ahsoka scales above Mace. Anakin is said to be the most powerful Jedi Yoda has ever known, and Vader is said to be > Anakin while not in his prime yet, Ahsoka did good against an all out Prime Vader.
 
First time was Maul and Savage. Second set of guys was Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin, and that was even with some assistance from Mace Windu.

How is Ahsoka above Mace Windu?

Anakin was overconfident. An even more powerful Anakin was matched by post-Clone Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi.
 
Anakin was also stated to be more powerful, and there's a statement that their powers are equal. As I said, pain and anguish does make Sith stronger.

Yeah, I'll still calling b.s. Yoda is frequently said to be the strongest Jedi, and Vader was matched and even totally outclassed by Kirak after Mustafar.

I don't care about Anakin's statement that he's more powerful than the Jedi council. It's just an overconfident person that's been taught he's the Chosen One all his life and only needed half the training to surpass his friends and peers. Also, Palpatine (a more credible source) said that a much more powerful Anakin (he'd grown stronger just by becoming a Sith, let alone his training with Palpatine) hadn't surpassed him or Yoda in RoTS.
  • DARTH SlDIOUS: You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us.
 
No, Anakin being stronger is massively contradicted. In Lords of the Sith, where Vader far surpassed Anakin, Palpatine was about equal to Vader, even though he'd used a tiny fraction of his power.

The fact that Palpatine is always planning to replace Vader with more powerful apprentices should tell you this.

Canonically, Luke also surpassed Vader at Endor, but Palpatine one-shot him and then further increased the voltage.
 
When did he get stronger, and how? I've heard he did, but the timeline is important, in this case.

I know Luke beat a conflicted Vader, but he still surpassed him. This is the reason why Palpatine wanted Luke as his apprentice.
 
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