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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

Hasty12345 said:
So what would that look like on a Jedi's profile?

tier 0 or 1-A whatever mind hax?
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I imagine it wouldn’t affect anyone asides the Mortis Gods and Abeloth. After all, it is not like every random Padawan is controlling or effecting the entirety of the Force.
 
Epyriel said:
I imagine it wouldn’t affect anyone asides the Mortis Gods and Abeloth. After all, it is not like every random Padawan is controlling or effecting the entirety of the Force.
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What about mortis Anakin? After all, he defeated the gods of mortis and Luke defeated Abeloth.
 
Epyriel said:
Yeah Mortis amped Anakin would also scale. Luke however would not (he only defeated a massively weakened Abeloth with a huge amount of assistance).
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As far as I remember, it was written in Luke's profile that he damaged Abeloth with power blasts, what kind of help was this with?
 
LordVader28 said:
As far as I remember, it was written in Luke's profile that he damaged Abeloth with power blasts, what kind of help was this with?
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Yeah but that is a super weakened version of Abeloth (who doesn’t scale anywhere near her prime, this error on the profiles of scaling Luke and Krayt off of her prime is getting fix in the next revision).

In the first several battles he fights her with a large army at his side working collectively to weaken her, and in the final battle Krayt Force drains her to weaken her while other characters weaken her by fighting her other Avatars on other planets while also benefiting from the fact that Abeloth is vulnerable when Beyond Shadows.

Basically:

Pre-Imprisonment Abeloth >>>>> FOTJ Abeloth > FOTJ Luke
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Evet, aklından çıkmış, herhangi bir şey farklı giderse kaybedecek olan süper güçlendirilmiş bir versiyonu.
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Epyriel said:
Yeah but that is a super weakened version of Abeloth (who doesn’t scale anywhere near her prime, this error on the profiles of scaling Luke and Krayt off of her prime is getting fix in the next revision).

In the first several battles he fights her with a large army at his side working collectively to weaken her, and in the final battle Krayt Force drains her to weaken her while other characters weaken her by fighting her other Avatars on other planets while also benefiting from the fact that Abeloth is vulnerable when Beyond Shadows.

Basically:

Pre-Imprisonment Abeloth >>>>> FOTJ Abeloth > FOTJ Luke
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nobody here is saying luke>abeloth, only that abeloth can be damaged by power blasts, I hope we can agree that abeloth's avatar bodies are already very flimsy, and that luke's extra strengthening during the battle made no difference, he was already extra strengthened during anakinde mortis.
 
god_cat said:
nobody here is saying luke>abeloth, only that abeloth can be damaged by power blasts, I hope we can agree that abeloth's avatar bodies are already very flimsy, and that luke's extra strengthening during the battle made no difference, he was already extra strengthened during anakinde mortis.
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Right, but none of that matters for the sake of scaling Luke to Abeloth’s prime because FOTJ Abeloth is nowhere near the same tier as Prime Abeloth.
 
Epyriel said:
Abeloth is currently scaled on the assumption that Prime Abeloth ~ Beyond Shadows Abeloth ~ Luke ~ Krayt which is incorrect and currently planned to be fixed in the next revision.
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I think it should be mentioned in their profile that they are powered by an extra connection beyond the shadow, because in the same way Anakin is powered by the planet mortis.
 
Yeah, I think we should remove Supernatural Encounters, but it can be included as a FC/OC profile for Nakhash and Father of Lights since I'm certain the staff there will be fine with it. I still think the Force should scale around Tier 1 (even if the tier 0 stuff doesn't stick) since there's still enough evidence for it without Supernatural Encounters
 
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TegamiBachi25 said:
Yeah, I think we should remove Supernatural Encounters, but it can be included as a FC/OC profile for Nakhash and Father of Lights since I'm certain the staff there will be fine with it. I still think the Force should scale around Tier 1 (even if the tier 0 stuff doesn't stick) since there's still enough evidence for it without Supernatural Encounters
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What are Force's anti feats
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I'm talking more about the scale within the verse, where Luke would find himself in strength.

Top tier, god tier, what position, etc.
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Luke would be the strongest force wielder in Canon if you don't count ROS Palpatine. So yeah, top tier. The god tiers would only be Mortis gods
 
Greatly considering eventually making a skill scaling blog for SW (mostly Legends but some canon) one of these days. We need to get some nice labels for the intelligence sections for these characters. Not expecting anything Re: Zero level but definitely at least some Genius level skill feats.
 
Grand_Astartes said:
Greatly considering eventually making a skill scaling blog for SW (mostly Legends but some canon) one of these days. We need to get some nice labels for the intelligence sections for these characters. Not expecting anything Re: Zero level but definitely at least some Genius level skill feats.
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Maybe extraordinary genius for yoda, anakin, mace, obi wan?
 
TegamiBachi25 said:
Maybe extraordinary genius for yoda, anakin, mace, obi wan?
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Dunno, I'd have to think of all of their feats and imagine what the baseline for Extraordinary Genius through skill would be. For Re: Zero characters with Extraordinary Genius, they usually have or are above characters with:

* Mastery over many if not hundreds or thousands of different martial arts or all martial arts (in their world)
  • At least what is equal to centuries' worth of combat experience
  • The ability to brush off an ability that messes with all five of the senses through skill alone
  • Skills that are considered to not be achievable even in an "eternity" by characters who are already Genius level in skill


They're pretty much the only Extraordinary Genius skill characters I'm aware of so maybe they're not the baseline, but they set a very high bar for it.

Edit: I think Yoda, Dooku, Mace, Anakin, and maybeeee Obi-Wan (probably not) could meet the centuries worth of combat experience if we scale from Yoda. It is highly likely they could meet other criteria too since I haven't compiled the skill feats, might be some crazy feats and statements I have yet to see.
 
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Grand_Astartes said:
Dunno, I'd have to think of all of their feats and imagine what the baseline for Extraordinary Genius through skill would be. For Re: Zero characters with Extraordinary Genius, they usually have or are above characters with:

* Mastery over many if not hundreds or thousands of different martial arts or all martial arts (in their world)
  • At least what is equal to centuries' worth of combat experience
  • The ability to brush off an ability that messes with all five of the senses through skill alone
  • Skills that are considered to not be achievable even in an "eternity" by characters who are already Genius level in skill


They're pretty much the only Extraordinary Genius skill characters I'm aware of so maybe they're not the baseline, but they set a very high bar for it.

Edit: I think Yoda, Dooku, Mace, Anakin, and maybeeee Obi-Wan (probably not) could meet the centuries worth of combat experience if we scale from Yoda. It is highly likely they could meet other criteria too since I haven't compiled the skill feats, might be some crazy feats and statements I have yet to see.
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I feel like there is proof for Force users acrobatics including Hypermobility, Surface Running, and All Terrain Mobility but idk which sources are they. Jedi: Fallen Order is evidence Cal can do so Surface Running, which I think should scale with other Canon Force Wielders(?) I think there might be a source in the Jedi Path or something to that that Force Users can also run on walls, so 'll go check, since it's one of the few books I own.
 
TegamiBachi25 said:
Maybe extraordinary genius for yoda, anakin, mace, obi wan?
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Extraordinary Genius is reserved typically for super-scientists who completely redefine their field, or people of comparable intellect. For Force Users this would equate to characters who massively improve mortal knowledge of the Force through a dramatic deviation of the norm.

For the Prequels era I think only Darth Plagueis and maybe Darth Sidious would really meet the bar.
 
Epyriel said:
Extraordinary Genius is reserved typically for super-scientists who completely redefine their field, or people of comparable intellect. For Force Users this would equate to characters who massively improve mortal knowledge of the Force through a dramatic deviation of the norm.

For the Prequels era I think only Darth Plagueis and maybe Darth Sidious would really meet the bar.
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For now, I'm mainly referring to the intelligence levels through combat/skill. There are undoubtedly a lot of characters who reach Extraordinary Genius level in SW (even some prequel chars like you mentioned) including Anakin. Still, almost all of it is through technical stuff.

Edit: The major problem with this endeavor fundamentally, though, is that the Intelligence category is pretty vague (respectfully) in general, especially when discussing combat. I think a lot of it just comes down to blatant showings of almost comical levels of combat skills and BIQ, which in SW I can only imagine it being reserved for the absolute pinnacle of not only dueling but also other battle strategies in the verse.
 
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OMFG spacebattles was a mistake. There are users there denying Force Wielders have FTL speeds in combat and continuously downplaying Star Wars. I should've just stuck with fanfiction and the creative writing section... It honestly does feel like an echo chamber over there...
 
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Hello I'm from the Sonic general discussion thread and I'm curious about something. How do you feel about the portrayal of star wars in Death Battle both in charecter portrayal and research.

Thats all but im doing this for every franchise I could think of. Man I'm going to get tired of writing these.
 
Snek said:
Hello I'm from the Sonic general discussion thread and I'm curious about something. How do you feel about the portrayal of star wars in Death Battle both in charecter portrayal and research.

Thats all but im doing this for every franchise I could think of. Man I'm going to get tired of writing these.
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Portrayal-wise the fights and characterization has all been excellent and entertaining.

Stat-wise they have done pretty terribly for raw AP feats, leading to massive exaggerations of power.
Almost every feat they calc or reference is either performed by a character while massively amped and thus wouldn’t apply (like Dorsk 81 throwing a fleet of star destroyers) or are completely misrepresented, like Kyp moving a dovin bassal’s gravitic anomaly being confusing for moving a real black hole despite the fact they can be destroyed by a mere proton torpedo, or Yarael Poof defusing a bomb being confused for overpowering a planetary explosion, or that Logray’s use of the Sunstar is equivalent to the Stranger’s ritual despite being dismissed as weak by Charal (who yet thought the Sunstar very powerful despite that).
 
Epyriel said:
Portrayal-wise the fights and characterization has all been excellent and entertaining.

Stat-wise they have done pretty terribly for raw AP feats, leading to massive exaggerations of power.
Almost every feat they calc or reference is either performed by a character while massively amped and thus wouldn’t apply (like Dorsk 81 throwing a fleet of star destroyers) or are completely misrepresented, like Kyp moving a dovin bassal’s gravitic anomaly being confusing for moving a real black hole despite the fact they can be destroyed by a mere proton torpedo, or Yarael Poof defusing a bomb being confused for overpowering a planetary explosion, or that Logray’s use of the Sunstar is equivalent to the Stranger’s ritual despite being dismissed as weak by Charal (who yet thought the Sunstar very powerful despite that).
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Great characterization and questionable research is what I'm getting from this. So I guess DB is just OK then.

Thanks for the response I'm asking similar questions across the site and it's been interesting to see so many opinions on the same show.
 
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Snek said:
Great characterization and questionable research is what I'm getting from this. So I guess DB is just OK then.

Thanks for the response I'm asking similar questions across the site and it's been interesting to see so many opinions on the same show.
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They also undersold and ignored many abilities of Force users as well. Such as their precog negging everything along with tutaminis countering Jutsus. Doom vs Vader shouldn't have happened at all. Thematically, it fits. Yet powerscaling wise? Doom stomps Vader, even composite Vader with highballed feats from canon and legends.

Also, from their Naruto vs Star Wars matches, especially Kakashi vs Obi wan and Vader vs Obito, all they just got that Force users only have TK and that was it. They ignored that Force wielders have precog that virtually negates everything Obito/Kakashi could do, tutaminis counters their jutsus, and the force can insta kill them by crushing their brains and organs. Their Naruto vs Star Wars fights should not have happened at all since Force Wielders can counter everything a shinobi can do.

Their Bardock vs Omni Man was just bollocks.
 
TegamiBachi25 said:
They also undersold and ignored many abilities of Force users as well. Such as their precog negging everything along with tutaminis countering Jutsus. Doom vs Vader shouldn't have happened at all. Thematically, it fits. Yet powerscaling wise? Doom stomps Vader, even composite Vader with highballed feats from canon and legends.

Also, from their Naruto vs Star Wars matches, especially Kakashi vs Obi wan and Vader vs Obito, all they just got that Force users only have TK and that was it. They ignored that Force wielders have precog that virtually negates everything Obito/Kakashi could do, tutaminis counters their jutsus, and the force can insta kill them by crushing their brains and organs. Their Naruto vs Star Wars fights should not have happened at all since Force Wielders can counter everything a shinobi can do.

Their Bardock vs Omni Man was just bollocks.
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Canon does have a decent amount of hax, but Legends laughs at Canon just from the sheer amount of versatility it can offer especially with certain ones like Darth Nihilus and Darth Vitate for that matter
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
Canon does have a decent amount of hax, but Legends laughs at Canon just from the sheer amount of versatility it can offer especially with certain ones like Darth Nihilus and Darth Vitate for that matter
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Also hilarious because the god tiers of Naruto wouldn't even get past Darth Nihilus with his literal soul hax fuckery of Force Drain and instant mind hax by literally looking at you or even just glancing at you and you become his literal slave or have your soul sucked

Farsight/Precog also screws shinobi over because Naruto as a verse has largely shit resistances, and Force users can just also read mind and just use whatever force ability either TK ragdoll or crushing your organs
 
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