Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode V Attack of the Fanons

[ByAsura]

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

are the Jnr novels for ROTS canon?

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

I think so, I think the rots junior novel should be canon too since it was rereleased after the disney purchase, and doesn't contradict anything.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

This is cool. It's missing some small stuff, but it's very good.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

but the Vader vs Yoda thing is Legends though as it was included in Head to Head in 2010.

I don't even think that 2010 H2H is canon to legends. Vader still bops Yoda.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

In Canon Vader is clearly Inferior to Yoda because his clearly Inferior to Palpatine.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

One, no, two, no. He is above Palpatine, and Rotj Palpatine is way above rots palpatine, who is >~ yoda. Look at it this way. Anakin following the Invisible Hand, is the strongest jedi Yoda has ever known, by his own admission. Then Anakin gets WAY stronger with the dark side. Vader in 14 bby is stronger then Darkside anakin. This isn't even close to Vader's prime, which starts in like at most 5 bby.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

One, no, two, no. He is above Palpatine, and Rotj Palpatine is way above rots palpatine, who is >~ yoda. Look at it this way. Anakin following the Invisible Hand, is the strongest jedi Yoda has ever known, by his own admission. Then Anakin gets WAY stronger with the dark side. Vader in 14 bby is stronger then anakin. This isn't even close to Vader's prime, which starts in like at most 5 bby.

This is mostly referring to Potential, It's why Yoda sends Obi Wan to Confront Anakin as Oppose to fighting The Emperor.
Obi Wan Can easily match Amped up Darkside Anakin if he lets go of his despair and allows the living force to guide him as highlighted in the Junior Novel.

Lords of the Sith Vader is Stronger than ROTS Anakin yet still believes himself to be Inferior to Palpatine.
Rebels Vader is Unquantifiably stronger than LOTS Vader but we have no idea of how large that gap is and there is no direct scaling to ROTS Sidious or Yoda.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Dude, Anakin was so conflicted he dropped like more then 5 tiers. Also, we know he is >Yoda due to being >Yoda as Anakin.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Anakin isnt stronger than Yoda lol

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Question Do you think Snoke is stronger than Vader.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

"Anakin was strong in the Force, stronger than any Jedi Yoda had known in all his hundreds of years" -Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith Junior Novelization

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Question Do you think Snoke is stronger than Vader.

Nope, not at all, Kylo is above Snoke.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Nope, not at all, Kylo is above Snoke.

Luke Skywalker Outright states that Snoke rivals the powers of ROTJ Palpatine.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Mastery of the dark side does not equal power. You can have the same skill as someone else in martial arts, yet they have more power then you.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Mastery of the dark side does not equal power. You can have the same skill as someone else in martial arts, yet they have more power then you.

Yes it does when we know for a fact that Luke Skywalker outright confronted him in battle.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

It said mastery, not power. I know Luke beat Snoke, but that doesn't change the fact that Sidious>Snoke in power.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

It's highlighted that his Force abilities made him Palpatine's Undisputed Heir aswell

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

And Kylo is more powerful then Snoke. Vader is above Kylo.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

You also haven't addressed the stuff I sent for Anakin>Yoda.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Will post in a bit, just quickly busy with something

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Take as much time as you need.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

"Anakin was strong in the Force, stronger than any Jedi Yoda had known in all his hundreds of years" -Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith Junior Novelization

I was busy getting scans for the Snoke stuff but yes lets tackle this first.

"Stronger than anyone his known" in this context his referring to Potential, even if we steelman this argument and say yoda means it literally, Yoda does not Include himself in this.

~Galactic Atlas

this is later confirmed by Sidious when he says that Darth Vader will become more powerful than Either of us, Implying he hasn't YET.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

 

[ByAsura]

Every word of this argument is wrong and I’ll try debunk it tomorrow when I get my computer back.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Characters were able to fight and kill different versions of themselves from different points in time in the Holiday Special without affecting the future timeline. As far as Im aware this is resistance to the Time Paradox stuff.

Lego Star Wars is a work of art.

It's crazy stupid fun.

I still remember the first time I played the prequel trilogy Lego Star Wars on Gameboy Advanced. Good times.

And thank you for this.

I don't even think that 2010 H2H is canon to legends. Vader still bops Yoda.

The only Yoda Vader could take is the one on Dagobah close to his death.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Why?

 

[ByAsura]

I said I’ll explain tomorrow at my computer. It’s way harder to quote and link in IOS source code.

 

[ByAsura]

"Anakin was strong in the Force, stronger than any Jedi Yoda had known in all his hundreds of years" -Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith Junior Novelization

Screw it. I’ll just do it now.

Firstly, the Junior novel is non-canon. Disney has a contract with Del Ray and re-released the book. If not having a Legends banner means something is non canon, then I guess the old complete vehicles (a book re-canonised and massively altered three times just to fit into the new canon) is also canonical.

Secondly, even if Kanan was referring to Anakin’s power and not his heroic acts, Kanan’s word is worthless. He was a Padawan who’d heard stories of Anakin, a guy that was always hyped up for being the most powerful Jedi of his generation and the Chosen One. Obi-Wan, a more credible source, states that he’s one of the Jedi’s most powerful in the Clone Wars film.

The first one literally says he believed he surpassed Palpatine, not that he is more powerful. The second is also clearly referring to Anakin’s perspective.

This severely contradicts the movie. Snoke effortlessly toyed with both Rey and Kylo, the former of whom proceeds to match the latter in a telekinetic struggle minutes after Snoke died.

Luke Skywalker Outright states that Snoke rivals the powers of ROTJ Palpatine.

This was probably retconned, tbh. Weakened Palpatine > Snoke.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

This was probably retconned, tbh. Weakened Palpatine > Snoke.

Still valid, it just refers to mastery, not power/

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

This severely contradicts the movie. Snoke effortlessly toyed with both Rey and Kylo, the former of whom proceeds to match the latter in a telekinetic struggle minutes after Snoke died.

No, Kylo was conflicted prior, this is just Kylo not having that confliction in him.

 

[ByAsura]

As I said, Kylo matches Rey right after killing Snoke. Plus, he’s always conflicted.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Confliction.

 

[ByAsura]

Hand waving.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Snoke literally even says "Where there was once conflict, now I sense resolve."

 

[ByAsura]

And that disproves the Rey thing how?

Also, the first one literally says conflict makes him powerful.

 

[Js250476]