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Thanos still restrained Loki easier than he restrained Spider-Man
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Spider-Man: No Way Home Discussion Thread - WITH SPOILERS
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Thanos wasn't fully bloodlusted in that fight either
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IDK fam, Thanos slammed Spidey like crazy once he got a grip.
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who was being assisted by doctor strange magic...
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Still was doing better
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He literally got chokeslammed and tossed. Literally got his ass stomped no greater/lesser than Loki
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I’m not arguing 6-C wtf bro. You can clearly see Thanos using slightly more effort restraining Spider-Man than Loki. Do you really think I’m that dumb? Huh?
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I’ve seen that scene many times and not once is it signified he’s using more power. And yeah, that would be an argument for 6-C (which is definitely wrong) since you can’t use that for 8-A
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Electro was still using a more advanced arc reactor though
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because he wasn't using the space stone and because he was pretty mad at the time, using more effort doesn't mean he's weaker it just means he was trying to strangle or something instead of just holding him there
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Actually you know what, expanding on that it actually could explain a lot of the inconsistencies with the villains. We know that Lizard was approached to join the Sinister Six so it's possible that the original cure wasn't permanent, which is why Andrew had to cure him again. Given the fact that Andrew talks about how he stopped pulling his punches for a period of time, I kinda like the theory of a darker Spider-Man just straight up murdering Lizard because of how he reminds him of Gwen in his universe.
Sandman, I guess he turned back to a life of crime even after seeing his daughter again? Eh it's plausible.
Btw can anyone explain why Doctor Octopus knows so much about Green Goblin?
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He claimed he read about them in the Daily Bugle. Does Sandman probably care much about their lives? I’d doubt it, but in a mostly superheroless world where you hear about flying Goblins and women using four mechanical arms, I’d imagine it’d at least grab his attention once or twice
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I forgot which one (it's hard to tell the difference between the spider men in that fight) but one of them got shocked for quite a while but wasn't really damaged much by it, why would that not scale?
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It really wouldn’t since Electro scales far beyond them at that point. If any of the Spider-Men were 8-A, it would kinda destroy the consistent scaling
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Isn't the whole thing in the Raimi trilogy that Harry doesn't know the truth about his father since it was kept a secret though?
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what about the feat itself is wrong though is my problem
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I thought about the Glider part too, but then I realized the truth could’ve come out on that maybe some years later
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Electro overpowering all the Spider-Men is consistent. We just can’t scale Arc Reactor Electro’s full output to them. TASM Spidey even claims he’s stronger than he’s ever seen before. Remember that TASM Spidey couldn’t physically defeat Pre-Amp Electro and had to rely on using his power against him
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Spidey pretty much forgave Marko tho.
Sandman pretty much explains it. Their deaths made headlines on the news.
I'm more interested to know how Norman even learned of his son Harry's death, his voice felt heavy after he mentioned his son.
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At the time Doctor Octopus died though, Harry knows nothing on the truth about his father.
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I’m guessing this idea is that Marko turned back to crime and likely due to his Sandy Physiology, something happened when Peter was stopping him that resulted in his death albeit entirely accidental
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Harry found out after the mirror scene which happens immediately after Spidey leaves off of the crane, which happens a few minutes after Ock drowns. How else would he morph into the New Goblin and then die at Venom's hands? Tobey mentions this during the lab scene, about Harry's demise.
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Eh, doubt it, only way he could die is if he returned back to human form and then got accidentally capped.
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So Green Goblin's identity was revealed to the world in that short span of time (kinda doubtful that Harry would just report it to the press too) enough for Doctor Octopus to hear about it?
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Why would Harry still want to kill Spider-Man though? I thought the whole point was no one knew about it.
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There was actually a 2 year gap between SM1's ending and the start of SM2, where Aunt May mentions that it'd be Uncle Ben's second death anniversary one month after Pete's birthday which happens in SM2.
So yeah, it'd be a pretty big-enough gap for everyone to find out. Especially with Sandman and Ock both confirming it.
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Harry Osborn didn't know anything about it though until the mirror scene and they made a big deal out of it like it was Harry discovering this for the first time. And in Spider-Man 3 they had that infamous butler scene where Bernard tells him the truth. It seems heavily implied that Norman Osborn's true identity was kept under wraps.
Btw it would have been nice to have Norman and Otto recognise Curt Connors lel.
Btw it would have been nice to have Norman and Otto recognise Curt Connors lel.
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Most prolly Harry might've come to terms with it after the mirror scene. He was already coping with his alcohol addiction before then.
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Another interesting note related to what we’re taking about. According to the SM3 novelization, Harry actually was considering hearing Peter out when walking to the limo as he believed himself capable of telling if Peter was going to lie, but the Norman hallucination pretty much told him not to indulge him.
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That or he might've had trouble coming to terms with the fact that his father was a villain, when everyone else accepted Norman to be a monster. The alcohol addiction Harry was going through might've played a factor. Remember Harry being drunk on champagne and slapping Peter, and then drinking alcohol right before Otto just slams him on his home?
Seems like Bernard didn't do a very good job of it if the news reached even convicts like Marko.
I think I saw it happen, only that Ock got shocked at the Lizard being not their Connors.
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Ehhhhhh will just have to accept it I guess. It's true that Harry was slowly turning deranged as well, otherwise even if the world didn't know beforehand, a sane Harry Osborn would still realise his father was bad when he finds out he's the Goblin himself.
I also felt Norman Osborn is portrayed way more sympathetically in this movie, while in Spider-Man you kinda feel like Norman Osborn is a terrible person in the first place and the Goblin is just bringing the dark side of him out. I don't mind it at all though, it's really compelling especially with Dafoe's acting.
I also felt Norman Osborn is portrayed way more sympathetically in this movie, while in Spider-Man you kinda feel like Norman Osborn is a terrible person in the first place and the Goblin is just bringing the dark side of him out. I don't mind it at all though, it's really compelling especially with Dafoe's acting.
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He didn't have to know of it, he could've been sad about how he should have been a better father and how much Harry meant to him.
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Guess it was just Harry's intensifying thirst for vengeance clouding his judgment.
Prolly Osborn realized his mistake in the MCU, guess it doesn't just redeem the story, it redeems the characters before they are even redeemed.
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I wouldn't expect you to make two new keys for Electro but mainly considering when he first shows up, he doesn't do much. "No real difference" but you have Electro while amped in TASM2 at wall lvl and base Sandman at building level?
Rather odd don't you think?
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You do know we’ll be updating their tiers, right? Giant Sandman and Pre-Arc Reactor Electro will be “At least Building level, likely higher”. I’ve been posting drafts throughout the thread
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Not really, they should've never been 9-B to begin with.
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