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Spider-Man: No Way Home Discussion Thread - WITH SPOILERS
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Back then we had no idea about the Spider-Men being in it.
Fast forward to December tho, it's no secret that No Way Home has effectively morphed the MCU. So much so that it's why Multiverse of Madness exists now.
But yeah, Imp-ress's "no" aged like milk LMAO
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It seems that everyone watched the movie. It seems that people are sitting experienced, knowledgeable. But at the same time, they cannot see the most obvious comparative moments in the film. Why is that?
I want to say about Tobey
Let's start with the most obvious. Doctor Octopus and the Goblin.
In the movies, they showed us EXTREMELY that the physical difference between the tentacles and the physical characteristics of Tom is simply monstrous. Holland ran from them as from burning branches, and when he got caught, he was completely defenseless. He could stand one on one without running away only after activating additional claws, and then he lost. I want to remind you dear GIKS that Tobey is much better, he stood more confidently with tentacles and did not run away anywhere. The fight on the wall of the building in the first skirmish, the scene on the train, everywhere he fought 1 on 1, in a standing position. Someone will say - "Well, in the film, Otto caught Tobey with tentacles" - a genius on the viewer, he caught him after Tobey was fried with lightning and he did not have protection like his colleague.
Goblin. Well, this is generally funny
In the first skirmish, the Goblin simply tore Holland apart, displaying absolute physical domination and stamina. He literally laughed at the series of blows to the face as if they were nothing. And he lost (for a minute, standing only on one knee), he only after TENS and TENS of blows by the immoral and absolutely mad Holland, while not particularly suffering. I have to say that evil Tobey knocked all the shit out of the Goblin as easily as if he went to a children's matinee. And unlike Holland, who was able to bring the Goblin to his knee with hundreds of punches, Tobey made only a few punches after which the Goblin finally capitulated. The difference is obvious
But if someone doubts, then I will say this. WHY EVERYONE GONE THIS MOMENT. Tobey LITERALLY stopped the immoral and evil Holland, who was trying to kill the Goblin, with physical force. He stopped and held him long enough for him to come to his senses. Moreover, if you look closely, you can see that Holland tried to crush with a glider and suppress Tobey in force, which did not work out. And it was the calm old Tobey, who also has a moral and evil regime (the difference in strength can be seen in the final battle with the Goblin), as well as a black suit. LOL. This is a blow. The difference in strength is at least 2-3 times.
And that even without considering the fact that Tobey was able to shoot Garfield on the web, showing not only the speed not inferior to the Spider, but also more proficient in web possession, having closed Garfield's web shooters.
Holland received a beating from a Goblin and a grenade in the face, after which he was incapacitated.
Tobey got a beating from the Goblin, a grenade in the face, and then knocked all the shit out of the Goblin when he got serious.
The difference is on the face
I want to say about Tobey
Let's start with the most obvious. Doctor Octopus and the Goblin.
In the movies, they showed us EXTREMELY that the physical difference between the tentacles and the physical characteristics of Tom is simply monstrous. Holland ran from them as from burning branches, and when he got caught, he was completely defenseless. He could stand one on one without running away only after activating additional claws, and then he lost. I want to remind you dear GIKS that Tobey is much better, he stood more confidently with tentacles and did not run away anywhere. The fight on the wall of the building in the first skirmish, the scene on the train, everywhere he fought 1 on 1, in a standing position. Someone will say - "Well, in the film, Otto caught Tobey with tentacles" - a genius on the viewer, he caught him after Tobey was fried with lightning and he did not have protection like his colleague.
Goblin. Well, this is generally funny
In the first skirmish, the Goblin simply tore Holland apart, displaying absolute physical domination and stamina. He literally laughed at the series of blows to the face as if they were nothing. And he lost (for a minute, standing only on one knee), he only after TENS and TENS of blows by the immoral and absolutely mad Holland, while not particularly suffering. I have to say that evil Tobey knocked all the shit out of the Goblin as easily as if he went to a children's matinee. And unlike Holland, who was able to bring the Goblin to his knee with hundreds of punches, Tobey made only a few punches after which the Goblin finally capitulated. The difference is obvious
But if someone doubts, then I will say this. WHY EVERYONE GONE THIS MOMENT. Tobey LITERALLY stopped the immoral and evil Holland, who was trying to kill the Goblin, with physical force. He stopped and held him long enough for him to come to his senses. Moreover, if you look closely, you can see that Holland tried to crush with a glider and suppress Tobey in force, which did not work out. And it was the calm old Tobey, who also has a moral and evil regime (the difference in strength can be seen in the final battle with the Goblin), as well as a black suit. LOL. This is a blow. The difference in strength is at least 2-3 times.
And that even without considering the fact that Tobey was able to shoot Garfield on the web, showing not only the speed not inferior to the Spider, but also more proficient in web possession, having closed Garfield's web shooters.
Holland received a beating from a Goblin and a grenade in the face, after which he was incapacitated.
Tobey got a beating from the Goblin, a grenade in the face, and then knocked all the shit out of the Goblin when he got serious.
The difference is on the face
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I mean, we did get confirmation about Molina, Foxx, and even Dafoe at that time
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This is outright wrong. Goblin called out Peter on not going all out as he still wanted to save Norman. In the final fight, he stopped holding back and those blows weren’t so laughable in the end. Not to mention, May's safety was still a concern at the moment. As for that moment in Spider-Man 1, Goblin stood up after the serious beating after revealing his identity, so the "on one knee" argument is moot
Hoo boy. Now this is ESPECIALLY wrong. Holland took a beating, a point blank Pumpkin Bomb, went to his Aunt, THEN got shot, and swung away. He wasn’t incapacitated. Literally downplay at work
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Raimi and TASM got fried, but after that they got up fine and kept on going. Electro definitely wasn’t going full power against them and the older Spider-Men (as well as their younger counterpart) were still spry with energy. Otto dominating them is very legitimate for the upscaling we've discussed
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It did indeed, my comment was pretty wrong too.
I'm glad they didn't ruin Doctor Octopus
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Pretty much this.
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Tobey only brutalized Ock when they were in the water in the final fight involving the protostar, otherwise Tobey very much struggled in the train fight, this is pretty evident in SM2.1 where Tobey literally struggles to resist the two tentacles pushing him down off of the side and then he promptly gets rammed in the face by an oncoming train.
The arms are massively superior to Ock's own physical body and the Spider-Men, there's no denying that.
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Just so you know, Symbiote Spidey is much, much stronger than his base self, it doesn't just increase his aggression, but even his strength, as seen when even Eddie with the Symbiote was taunting Spidey to "never wound what you can't kill", showing that a normal human with the Symbiote would be able to easily dominate Spidey.
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Ayyyyy, I was about to mention that too! Yeah, Spidey literally has to pull those tables at Ock of else his head would've gotten squished. Good find, man
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We just gotta hope the rela tasm calc gets accepted.
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Wasn't Pete suffering a web block in this scenario?
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MHS+.
Doesn't matter tho, those folk are gonna be MHS+ through and through even without NWH putting more icing on the cake, as even TASM2 Electro's attacks are true lightning and Andrew Spidey's consistently outpaced them and dodged them in many scenes even close up in TASM2.
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That was after I think.
Well when you put it like that, maybe they shouldn't be only MHS+.
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Like Fastest said, this was right after. The page also says he had to use all his strength to pull those tables so the bank fight web block was definitely very brief
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The head-crushing scenario was in the bank robbery. I'm pretty sure of it.
The calcs were made only to support Pete being MHS+, including mine, which is just 57 m/s away from hitting MHS+. Even then I'd argue they weren't needed in the first place.
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Even so, the web block still left Pete unable to properly operate at full strength at that time.
Regardless, even an enraged Pete on the train fight was unable to hold an upper hand against Octavius for long.
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I always saw that moment as Norman just taking in that he was transported somewhere else where Oscorp didn't exist and of course his Son also didn't exist there
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Just finshed NWH not to long ago, what did I miss
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Tom spidey is 1-A
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Also all Spider-Men have Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation with their punches, and they all have Type 1 Transduality
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Sounds about right
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infinite speed spiderman confirmed. solos jojo and team 7
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Basically all the Raimi and TASM guys gonna become 8-C or At least 8-C, with Electro being 8-A cuz of the triangular arc reactor.
There's MHS+ scaling from Electro plus there's Spidey moving faster than Strange in the mirror dimension if that's anything.
Also Iron Spider's probably gonna be downgraded to At least 8-C from what I remember because High 8-C came from a 10 gigajoule statement from Stark's former High 8-C rating plus upscaling to the 8 gigajoule statement and now we found out the Iron Spider literally charges from an outlet so no arc reactor scaling
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didnt they survived electro attacks?
Baken384
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Yeah, i find scaling around the arc reactor kinda funky since they have been shown to literally take 8A attacks aka Electro but somehow their still at 8C, realistically they should be burned to ashes if their 8C
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Pretty sure the reason in the thread iirc was that he basically bodied them until Ock stepped in so he's definitely above them completely but idk
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if they were 8-C, they all should have died
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Even then electro couldn’t put them down that easily plus there’s probably the whole holding back thing so I think they should scale for dura atleast
Baken384
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Yeah he bodied them but they didn't die, hell they took the beating well. They can possibly downscale from 8A
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Nah, they can hurt the ones comparable to their own dura with AP alone
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