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Saint Seiya; Tier 2-B ~ High 2-A upgrades.

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Again... I already said that I do not need scans of cosmology, I already know the whole verse.

Paradox speaks of the infinite ramifications of possibilities that a single universe and timeline can have, I see nothing of infinite universes there, only infinite "possibilities."


Thia is true, Saint Seiya is all about the clash of Cosmo. And Cosmo in Japanese means small Universe. The word for Universe is just simply Uchu or Space.


In essence the Clash of Cosmos is simply put a clash of two worlds.


The entire cosmology of Ss is based on at the maximum an countless variation of earth and their souls.


Not to mention the power of divine being is dependent on how much people believe in them.
 
@Infinity Black

Cosmos is theorically the term for designiate The Universe or all Existence in a orderly system in Greek

Cosmos by extention is Larger than the Universe (but both are the same thing basically)
 
I don't understand anything that is going on at this point now..... But i guess i'll come back later after work..


Is someone trying to say cronus is only planet level, or Universal+? They should make a separate CRT for it, though. If they truly believe it.
 
No, I cite the fact in question that you interpret as multiversal, I have shown that it is only universal+.

I do not know the other feats that make the multiversal cronus, but this specifically would only be universal +.
 
Question, why isn't Shun, Shiryü, Hyoga, and Ikki not 2-C like Seiya? They were all able to hurt Hades, so what give?
 
JohnCenaNation said:
Question, why isn't Shun, Shiryü, Hyoga, and Ikki not 2-C like Seiya? They were all able to hurt Hades, so what give?
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Yep, sorry for seiya but it's the one of the weaknest in the Bronze team even in God cloth normally

but yeah, every God cloth Saint are 2-C
 
To be frank, there is a lot missing in the siants section.. Clothless saints now in Episode G are able to be on par with God Cloths Saints when they are holding back.. Sigurd, or whatever his name is was compared to Thanatos/Hypnos and Shiryu didn't use his cloth at first. He managed to break his Scared sword int he 1st match with his Gold Cloth on.

Kiki Aries and Shun Virgo Held off God Cloth Aries Mu

Clothless Aquarius Hyoga took a blast from a Bloodlusted God Cloth Camus, iirc.

Aiolia has 9th sense now though he stated it to be incomplete.

Leo Ikki managed to evolve the leo cloth into a "True Cloth." which was equal to Aiolia with his unmastered/untrained/incomplete 9th sense.

Aries Mu has a universal feat via miracles. Although it can be debated as a permanent amp.

Gold Cloth Shura, his Excalibur is supposedly comparable to Hades sword and he defeated the strongst Holy Sword user. NOTE: Sigmund/Sigurd was liley the 2nd or 3rd strongest and he was compared to thanatos/Hypnos level.

In Santia Sho a massively amped Death mask was equal to Aries Mu, and giveing him a "Struggle."

Aiolos though has a fully mastered 9th sense. And somehow i forgot the details. The Saints along with Aiolos managed to defeat Host Body Zeus.
 
Seiya is not the weakest among the protagonists, his feats in general are superior to all other saints, it is enough to compare the performance of Pegasus while undermined by the curse of the sword of the Underworld to other saints who are also protagonists.

Shiryu VS Sigurd Gram

Sigurd Gram VS Seiya (cursed)

Aiolia VS Aiolos (last World)

Shura VS Aiolos (Last World)

Aiolos (last world) VS Seiya (cursed)

Aiolia is the protagonist of the episode G as also to be chosen by Zeus like host body in all the existing realities, this was words of own Zeus. Shura is basically the protagonist of Episode G Assassin.

Compare also the performance of Seiya against Hades in relation to the others: Shiryu, Ikki, Shun and Hyoga. It makes no sense to claim Seiya as the weaker protagonist.
 
Okay, show the scans that show sigurd is equal to thanatos and hypnos.

Kiki had support, Shun was said to be God's closest man, it's not an impressive feat, on the contrary it is the least they could have been to withstand the mu coup.

the 9th sense equals the level of an athena exclamation, those of humans specifically, is not something there so impressive either.

No, it can not be permanent, it would no longer be a "miracle" but a level of itself, different from the miracles that is "overcoming the limits."

A quote would help, but comparing a sword created in the underworld with that of a god is kind of ...

Of confirmed we only have aiolos, aiolia and atena, You can not affirm others if you did not even know how to know them.
 
I will make a seperate post about it later. That post is currently a work in progress. My main focus is this one for right now.
 
I think I could pick up Saint Seiya for 2-C, but as I'm busy, I do not have time to review the entire work, in the future, I'll do it.
 
Idk if this sent or not.

"Gold saints can be done at a later time. The main focus is

Multiversal+ Athena, and Hades and seeing who scales to that."

In Summary: Some people agree that Hades should scale to Cronus.

I should clarify it is NOT BECAUSE OF CRONUS GIVING DUNAMIS TO HADES.

Some people agree to it because Hades was capable of protecting his world from harm.

However this brings up an Issue. Does Hades underworld exist outside of space, and time? How can something exist outside of the multiverse without being a higher dimension? The only answer i can come up with is some sort of spatio-temportal lock.

then others vaguely agreed to something..?
 
I do not know much about typhon, so I refrain from talking about it.

Sooooo, okay. As we know the sacred sword manage time and space, zero and infinity can mean a lot, so any interpretation involving the same without específicaf work should not be taken into account. According to his text, this sword controls them in "conceptual" and "infinite" degrees, but where in the scan exactly do talk about it? and that please do not be about "zero and infinite" because as I said it is interpretive, she separated the sentences time and space from zero and infinite, so it's a different question.
 
I do not have any that is so different from yours, just in the text it says "conceptual" and "infinite", but in the specific scan it says something else, so I thought I had used the first quote of "zero and infinity" along with "time and space" to arrive at this conclusion.
 
So, you belive Saturn would not be capable of controling the 4th and 3rd dimension to an infinite degree?
 
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If two athena exclamations collide the force will not be Multiplied by 2, or 3. It will be infinite.

https://imgur.com/DKj1ysV


The Big bang gave birth to Time and space

https://imgur.com/CfHFsSu


The Athena Exclamation is a move that requires 3 Gold Saints to use. A single AE is = to 1 big bang. 2 Athena exclamations colliding, or something of equal force colliding, results in an infinite output of power.

https://imgur.com/RkxwSv7


Destroying the Wailling wall/Wall of Lamentation requires the power of all 12 Gold Saints.

https://imgur.com/iaXa3Nu


And Hades was supporting the "Wall" through his "Divine Will."

https://imgur.com/meCVK5B Here is an example of Low Multiversal Base Athena Exclamation feat. Hyperion and his cataclysm slash was standing resolute against an AE https://imgur.com/4Mc6lAH https://imgur.com/Uu2UP0v Now its important to understand the feats the Cataclysm slash has. I will post those. It can cut through, and destroy time itself. https://imgur.com/dCK4krj https://imgur.com/C8q9aPK https://imgur.com/OCUU08D It can stop time. https://imgur.com/ewS8eRk Here is the probably the most important. It is equal to or greater than Abzu. https://imgur.com/5Gs9pz0 Abzu is rated "Low Multiversal" https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Abzu


In summary: the wailing wall is a dimensional border that separates Hell from Elyisum. It was destroyed by the combined might of 12 Gold saints focusing their cosmos to a single point. Similarly to how the AE is done, which would result in an infinite output of power generated. "

"'This one is going to get more controversy.

Let's review the evidence and scans of some of Hade's Underworld Cosmology.

In Saint Seiya Next Dimension. Shun was thrown 200 years into the past. Tenma who was with Shun at the time. Were in the Underworld of Hades.

Shun was astonished. https://imgur.com/vBjtdxi

To see Seiya who is 200 years into the future walking to his death. https://imgur.com/dpFCgcA

Logically Chronos should have been capable of reversing the time of the underworld to accomplish Athena's Wish.

Pontos in Episode G in order to reach the sealed Titans in Tartarus of Hades Underworld. He had to walk passed the "eternal Flow of time" the dimension of time itself. https://imgur.com/r2gT3bQ

On the new Saint Seiya Official website. It says the 6th prison of the underworld is "Outside of time and space." https://imgur.com/K4YcTZV

In Saint Seiya Omega we learn that the Underworld takes souls from other Worlds. https://imgur.com/QEFzHKp

Now, why is this important? Because there is 2 other Gods who have similar feats. This is where everyone will think i am crazy.

"This is the End of Time." https://imgur.com/M7XWkaV

"From here Past, present and future connect." https://imgur.com/1o3BYoh

"This is a space beyond time." https://imgur.com/4pOnYoU

Portuguese translations use "transcend time" rather than "Beyond time."

This is repeated several times in Saint Seiya Omega about the "End of time" dimension of Saturn.

Important Context is. "Here past, present, and future connect."

"This is a place where past, and future intersect. A kind of place that transcend time and space." https://imgur.com/TLN22xI

This is the description of Chronoses "Lake of time."

Why is all of this important? Because we have a couple scans saying that Hades underworld is outside of, or "beyond" time and space.

We also see in Episode G, and Next Dimension it is a place that Past, and future intersect.

In Summary: Hades Underworld's are a beyond time and space. They are very similar to Saturn, and Chrono's realms. "

I found some more stuff i wanted to add.
 
The anime repeats the samething as the light novel.

"Zeus of the Sky, Poseidon of the Seas, and Hades of Hell... " https://imgur.com/B0uoRKE

"They all have been vying to make this world theirs!"

https://imgur.com/LTbxNps

"Unless someone as strong as them rules this world..."

https://imgur.com/sUDJ96y

"It will become theirs! " https://imgur.com/G71JHj0

In summary: Athena has been fighting those 3 off for as long as she has control over earth.

Next thing im going to look at is. Zeus from Episode G Assassins, and the 9th sense.
 
Question some characters still don't have profiles, like a lot of Omega characters like a lot Gold Saints and others like Genbu and Kiki
 
Dangai Ichigo said:
Question some characters still don't have profiles, like a lot of Omega characters like a lot Gold Saints and others like Genbu and Kiki
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most are featless, and the ones on here need an upgrade too.
 
*"raise your cosmos to the ultimate degree ." The 9th sense is the ultimate degree of cosmos. Which should be roughly equal to the God cloths in Hades arc at base.*
*Which seiya whom in Saint Seiya Omega has the 9th sense. Says "The Ultimate cosmos beyond the Ultimate Cosmos." he is referince the 9th sense and saying Omega is superior. https://imgur.com/eOowmnE * One of the newest chapter of Episode G Assassins also calls the 9th sense an infinity. "Chapter 101 - Limit of Infinity P18 / 19


Aiolia: If everything is consumed, it's okay with me!


Aiolia: I will abandon everything ...


Aiolia: ... For a power that surpasses that of humans!


Aiolia: I will exist on the edge of infinity!


P20 / 21


Ninth Sense."

This chapter though not translated can be read here. https://mangacross.jp/comics/assassin/100

God Cloths in Hades arc, and the 9th sense should be closer to infinitely superior to the strongest Gold saints in Gold cloth.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I will analyze the evidence when I have the time, but I'm usually very skeptical of these upgrades to High 2-A in the past.
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i don't mean to be rude... but is there any final verdict on the evidence posted in this thread, and the doc...?
 
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