Saint Seiya Verse-Wide Revision pt. 1

[Hasty12345]

Huge thank you to @TheUnshakableOne who worked on this CRT with me and all the other Saint Seiya supporters who helped both directly and indirectly.

Hello everyone.

The long-awaited pt 2 of my verse overhaul has come, it's a long one but it should be relatively straightforward.

The goal of this CRT is to remove/limit the impact of cross-scaling on the abilities section of the profiles, with only cross-series cosmological constants and concepts being cross-scalable (as we take the manga franchise to be within the same cosmology, and we have characters travel throughout the multiverse with no difference in their abilities or explanations of certain concepts). What this means in practice is, that Classic Saga isn't benefiting from G Saga, however, humans being stated to have infinite or limitless willpower in 3 different series will apply to every human profile.

Hopefully, we got all these spoiler boxes right

Abilities to be removed from profiles

From all profiles that have it listed:

• Soul Manipulation, and resistance to
  It should just be NPI but even that I'm doubtful on. There are 2 Gold Saints where manipulation of the Soul is blatant. Which are the Cancer Saint and Virgo Saint. Virgo Saint can Spiritually BFR you, Cancer Saints can separate the soul from the body, and BFR your soul. Narratively it makes these 2 saints less special if suddenly every single saint can harm the soul, however, I'm pretty sure by wiki policy simply punching a soul doesn't mean you're doing damage to the soul. The other issue comes from the context of the scenes. First the scene with Shoko, you can make the argument their not really spirits but some sort of Type 3 Conceptual Abstract entities because their "Evil Spirits" were born from "Human emotion/ideas," even if that were not true Shoko simply just pushed them aside arguably with a shockwave instead of hitting them. The other problem is the weaker bronze saints like Ichi and Jabu. When they first fought the spiritual adversaries their attacks were shown going threw them and not hitting them. Which makes it very questionable if they did defeat them. And through implied context, it appears it was the Specter Gold Saint who were still in the process of reviving who they were fighting.
• resistance to Illusions and Acausality -
  No one has shown resisting Illusions in the series instead it's always been them learning they are caught in an illusion and then out-powering the illusion, or the illusion wears off. Also, some characters have acausality when it makes 0 sense for them to have it because the story never allowed it to be displayed, so it has never actually been Shown. Acausality for a specific group of characters is likely which will be explored in a future CRT due to its lengthy explanation.
• Adaption -
  Reactive Evolution is better for this than adaption is. Adaptation isn't "I seen your ability already so now I know how to counter and nullify it"
• Sense and Perception Manipulation
  - Having higher senses beyond the 5 basic senses doesn't grant resistance. They're still affected by the loss of 5 senses. It's more like a cheat to bypass the affliction so it looks like they're unaffected.
• Resistance to Dream Manipulation - never Shown by any character
• Resistance to Life Manipulation - never shown by any character

any non-psychic type character (Telepathy, Teleportation, telekinesis, and Flight/levitation )

All profiles related to the Saints:

• Regeneration - Although Saints have shown a very small degree of regeneration. it's barely better than the average human
• Resistance to Void manipulation and existence erasure - This comes from a variety of misunderstandings, and only a handful of characters have shown this which have specific circumstances for it. This shouldn't be something 90% of the profiles should have.
• Resistance to space and time manipulation -
  Same as the above, idk why 90% of the profiles have this. very few characters in verse have shown this and only god tiers are explicitly stated to have a reason to have it.
• Dimensional Travel - Only God tiers, and High tier psychics should have this, other than the very few other characters who have shown this ability.

From all 8th sense Keys:

• Regeneration, Resurrections, and immortality Type 4 - Regeneration was never shown or stated in the series at all. It is even specifically stated that 8th sense users cannot regenerate new bodies, and on top of that, it contradicts and conflicts with the story of Next Dimension. Where it's redundantly stated the Gold Saints are dead. Also, wiki policy is that regeneration isn't granted for any off-screen feats which if we did assume regeneration happened would be an offscreen feat
• Space and Time manipulation resistance - This comes from the bronze saints crossing the Super Dimensional Space but that is specifically due to Athena's blood not because of the 8th sense.

From all God Cloth Keys:

• Holy Manipulation - I have no idea where this ability came from, but God Cloths are not shown to have this kind of ability.

All Gods:

• Reality Warping - This can be better described through the use of other abilities
• Regeneration Negation and resistance to it - Will be explored in a future CRT as the Gods are going to be the most affected by this verse overhaul, but essentially all the gods still have some aspects of them left so there aren't any immortalities getting nullified. Although some weapons do have this ability.
• Regeneration Mid Godly -
  This isn't regen but better described as resurrection. For example, Hades so far has not gained any new "True Body." however his soul and mind still are around possessing people like Alone, and Shun, who are born to be the perfect host. In GR even when Athena was reduced to her "Astral Form" he was "Reborn" as Sao. For Zeus, I think it would be better described as Type 3 Acausality instead but that will come up in a different CRT. Another example is Typhon who had his body destroyed and he physically had to rebuild a new body through re-birthing one. So this completely debunks regen and makes it more so resurrection.
• Immortalities Types 3 (regeneration), and 8 (reliant) - Only a very select few gods have immortality reliant on specific concepts. Concepts in the verse will have their own future CRT dedicated to explaining them
• Conceptual Manipulation - see the above
• Abstract Existence - See the above 2 - until that CRT happens there just isn't any easy way to justify these abilities.

From all specter profiles:

• Spatial Manipulation - I have no idea why 90% of the spectres have this. This is dimensional travel, not spatial manipulation but limited Dimensional travel.
• Fire Manipulation - I do not remember any specters having fire manipulation.

Phoenix Ikki:

• Mind manipulation resistance - Never shown to resist it

Lyra Orphee:

• Illusion creation - I don't remember Orphee creating illusions?
• Sound Manipulation - playing music isn't sound manipulation.......

Gemini Saga:

• Pocket reality Manipulation - as far as I'm aware there isn't any concrete support suggesting Saga creates pocket universes when using "Another Dimension."
• Illusion creation - this can be better described as mind manipulation
• Gravity Manipulation - This is an Episode G Saga only ability
• Invisibility - bruh what? Never shown

Gemini Kanon

• Invisibility - never shown
• Illusion creation - better summed up as mind manipulation

Virgo Shaka:

• Time Manipulation - this comes from Virgo Asmita's stopping time, but it's not time that is stopped but casualty.
• Light Manipulation - This probably comes from the whole Sunlight in the UW thing, but that can be summed more so with Energy Absorption and an Energy blast than manipulation
• Illusion creation and Memory Manipulation - can just be summed up as mind manipulation

Libra Dohko:

• Light Manipulation - Same as shaka
• Water Manipulation - Is it cross-scaling from Shiryu? this might be someone from the Omega anime but even then I don't believe he ever used water

Sagittarius Aiolos:

• Existence Erasure - Where does this come from? He evaporated the water in the Egyptian soldier's body, "erasing the source of life" was essentially removing the water from their bodies. Also a G only ability.
• Lightening Manipulation - This I know is a GA-only ability

Capricorn Shura

• Regeneration Negation - GA only ability

Aquarius Camus

• Absolute Zero - he never reaches Absolute Zero in series

Aries Shion

• Spatial Manipulation - G ability
• Time Manipulation - G ability
• Mind Manipulation - Never Shown

Hades:

• Darkness Manipulation - Never Shown
• Portal Creation - Never Shown
• Illusion Creation - Never Shown
• resistance to Blood Manipulation - Never Shown
• Resistance to Causality and Age manipulation - better summed as immortality and acausality (which will have its own Future CRT)

Thanatos:

• Holy Manipulation - makes no sense and is never shown
• BFR - never shown
• Portal Creation - Better described through range feat than this

Hypnos:

• Holy Manipulation - never shown

Pandora

• Sound and Pain manipulation - never shown

Garuda Aiacos:

• Gravity Manipulation - never shown
• Mind Manipulation - never shown

Balrog Lune:

• Mind reading - Very circumstantial. This comes from LC about the Books of all humans and their lives on earth. It should be an LC-only thing but even then I don't remember explicitly mind-reading.

Gemini Cain:

• Spatial Manipulation - Better described by portal creation
• Time Manipulation - same as above
• Immunity to psychokinesis - makes 0 sense, he isn't immune to anything in verse

Virgo Shijma:

• Illusion creation - was anything in the Virgo temple something he set up himself or was it already a trap set up by the Temple? the 4 doors I know aren't real illusions, and neither is Tenbu Horin or the labyrinth. yeah, I don't remember this being shown.

Capricorn Izo:

• Regeneration Negation -never shown

Pisces Cardinale:

• Resistance to Poison - Never shown

Chronos:

• Death Manipulation - Never shown
• Higher Dimensional Existence/Manipulation - will have its own future CRT but should go for now until then

Garuda Sukiyo:

• Gravity Manipulation - Never Shown
• Mind Manipulation - Never Shown
• healing -Shown

Cronus:

• Shapeshifting - Never Shown

Equuleus Shoko:

• Light Manipulation - Never Shown
• Resistance to magic and mind manipulation - Never Shown, and resisting possession is different

Delphinus Mii:

• resistance to mind manipulation - never shown
• Magic - never shown
• Transmutation - never shown

Tararus Hasgard:

• Sound Manipulation - Never Shown

Virgo Asmita:

• Time Stop - is a complete misunderstanding of the ability and should be causality manipulation (will have its own future CRT)

Pisces Albafica:

• Blood manipulation - shooting your blood out as a weapon is blood manipulation?

Summary of reasoning why

These abilities are either redundant, misunderstanding what the abilities do, never been shown by the character, can be categorized by a more specific ability, or a misunderstanding of context.


Conceptual Manipulation and acausality will be returned to in a future CRT.

These are Abilities, listed below, that need to be evaluated so they can be added to profiles.



All the other abilities on the Blog are abilities that are already accepted from past CRTs and are already currently used on the profiles

Passive Rage Power: The Power, and Potency of Cosmo is increased with rage, allowing characters to even briefly contend with Gold Saints.

resistance to Sealing: A Cosmo user can resist being Sealed

Limited Self-Healing: These users are healed upon using the 7th Sense

Passive Accelerated Development: A saints' skill, speed, and power will continue to improve throughout a fight,[1] and they continue to get stronger every time they are "knocked down." Eventually even surpassing the power of the 12 Gold Saints.[2] Another example, is that Silver Saint Misty was 100 times stronger than Pegasus Seiya. However, in only a couple of minutes, Seiya closed this gap.[3] Cyngys Hyoga, Dragon Shiryu, and Andromeda Shun also showed such growth going from Bronze Saint level to a level that surpasses even Silver Saints.

Passive Supernatural Willpower and Instinctive Reaction: A Saint will continue to fight even when unconscious.[1]

Passive Fate Manipulation, and Fate Manipulation negation, and Statistics Amplification: Miracles allow a character to temporarily draw out power from their infinite Will[1] and thus subsequently this increases all of their physical stats due tot he relationship Cosmo has with physical stats such as speed, stamina, durability, and potency. This power also reshapes the fate imposed upon humans by the gods causing their fate to change.[2]

Acausality: (Type 1) Those splashed with the blood of a god are immune to changes to their "history."[1]


Immortality (Types 1; 3; 7; 8; 9 and 5), and Regeneration (Mid-High): The Specters of Hades are filled with the Divine Will of Hades. They will continue to regenerate as long as the Will of Hades remains within them.[1] Additionally; the Specters of Hades are already dead by default,[2] and they do not possess a concept of death.[3] As a specter serving Hades, Aspros, regenerated from being a fetus, and another specter came back from being turned into a speck of Dust.[4]

Acausality: (Type 1) - Specters are are unaffected by the flow of time.[1]

Void Manipulation: The 9th Sense when mastered allows a character to use Dunamis which is the power of the void

Spatial Manipulation: Dunamis causes the expansion of the Universe

Deconstruction: Dunamis can deconstruct atoms.

Chaos Manipulation, and Elemental Manipulation: Wwhen all elements in the universe are combined it generates Chaos.[1] The 9th Sense when awakened gives the power to control Chaos.

Dimensional Travel, through Gravity Manipulation that creates Portals: Dunamis can be used to link two parallel universes together and open a portal that allows for another Earth to pass through

The Conclusion of this CRT

With all of this. I'd like to introduce something that will make every profile of Saint Seiya on the wiki and future profiles easier. The introduction of the Cosmo Powers and Abilities blog.

This would be linked to profiles so it's no longer a wall of text. for example, the P&A section would read like this

Basic Cosmo user, and Saint of Athena | 7th Sense User | Specter of Hades | 8th Sense User


Gold Saint of Virgo, Saint of Athena, 7th Sense user | 8th Sense User

Etc etc. It makes it 10x faster to edit and read

here is the link to the blog below

sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

Thank you for reading.

Agree: @TheUnshakableOne @LuffyRuffy46307, @AlexZiggy (mostly everything), @LordGriffin1000, @DarkDragonMedeus (same as Griffin), @KingTempest, @Celestial_Pegasus, @UchihaSlayer96
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Just one question, where does type 9 immortality come from?

The rest seems fine to me

Finally, they are removing things from derivatives and other languages

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Just one question, where does type 9 immortality come from?

The rest seems fine to me

Hades having his true body in Elysium

Cyclops using clones to fight while the real body is somewhere else.

Kronos bring sealed on Taratrus where as his Astral form just glides around anywhere on the world.

To name a few easy examples

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Hades having his true body in Elysium

Cyclops using clones to fight while the real body is somewhere else.

Kronos bring sealed on Taratrus where as his Astral form just glides around anywhere on the world.

To name a few easy examples

So everything looks good to me

 

[AlexZiggy]

Agree with mostly everything. Though I should mention, didn't Kanon go invisible during Inferno? I think he should keep the power

 

[Hasty12345]

Agree with mostly everything. Though I should mention, didn't Kanon go invisible during Inferno? I think he should keep the power

That's right, he did didn't he, I might just strike that one out.

 

[StekFence]

Dohkos water manip should stick, shiryu has shown it in the classic, and dohko taught him everything he knows, along with having created rain In tlc.

 

[StekFence]

I agree with mostly everything, but have certain things to mention. As Camus froze shakas leg, but wasn’t never stated directly to have reached AZ, I think he should get possibly AZ.
Also, I’m pretty sure the ability to project blood from your body as needles should safely fall within blood manip

 

[Huesito88]

Says part 2, but has part 1 in the title, also I kinda wish you added a scan for the removal stuff like for Camus for example (but it's whatever I guess)

I'm not understanding how the narrative of BFR souls being something treated as special for some Golds equals, let's remove "damaging the spirit directly for lower tiers/every cosmos user" as those are two different abilities (BFR removing souls =/= damaging them), however I do knowledge the lack of scans to justify the continue inclusion of it, so I suppose the removal is fine either way.



Alright for the acasuality type 1 for Shura, I guess this is more of a question for the standards of acasuality type 1 here. Does the fact that the world attempts to eliminate from the future (not just past) is also something to be an included detail or does it give a completely different justification or ----?



For Aspros this is more me trying to confirm the logic for the justification (yes or no?) for specters Regen. Alright Yoma uses his ability we see Aspros devolving until he's just disappears. Then Yoma makes the comment

"You'll revert to what you were even before you became a fetus."

Then Aspros reveals himself stating he's immortal and also the flow of time no longer works on him also.

So the current justification for Aspros is he didn't revert to before he became a fetus due to his type 1 Acasuality, but instead stopped right at when he became a fetus then regenerated????

"As a specter serving Hades, Aspros, regenerated from being a fetus"

 

[AllForOne]

Hello everyone.

The long-awaited pt 2 of my verse overhaul has come, it's a long one but it should be relatively straightforward.

The goal of this CRT is to remove/limit the impact of cross-scaling on the abilities section of the profiles, with only cross-series cosmological constants and concepts being cross-scalable (as we take the manga franchise to be within the same cosmology, and we have characters travel throughout the multiverse with no difference in their abilities or explanations of certain concepts). What this means in practice is, that Classic Saga isn't benefiting from G Saga, however, humans being stated to have infinite or limitless willpower in 3 different series will apply to every human profile.

Hopefully, we got all these spoiler boxes right

Abilities to be removed from profiles


Summary of reasoning why


These are Abilities, listed below, that need to be evaluated so they can be added to profiles.



All the other abilities on the Blog are abilities that are already accepted from past CRTs and are already currently used on the profiles




The Conclusion of this CRT

With all of this. I'd like to introduce something that will make every profile of Saint Seiya on the wiki and future profiles easier. The introduction of the Cosmo Powers and Abilities blog.

This would be linked to profiles so it's no longer a wall of text. for example, the P&A section would read like this

Basic Cosmo user, and Saint of Athena | 7th Sense User | Specter of Hades | 8th Sense User


Gold Saint of Virgo, Saint of Athena, 7th Sense user | 8th Sense User

Etc etc. It makes it 10x faster to edit and read

here is the link to the blog below

sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

Thank you for reading.

Agree: @TheUnshakableOne @LuffyRuffy46307, @AlexZiggy (mostly everything)
Disagree:
Neutral:

Correction for them not having space-time resistance due to Athena's blood. Its actually stated in the manga that this was gained due to the cloths being revived with Athena's blood. So they should have the resistance post-cloth revival or whenever they are using their winged forms.

Cloth-revivals are the in-verse equivalent of a saiyan zenkai.

 

[Hasty12345]

I agree with mostly everything, but have certain things to mention. As Camus froze shakas leg, but wasn’t never stated directly to have reached AZ, I think he should get possibly AZ.

could you provide scans for that so I can amend the OP

Says part 2, but has part 1 in the title, also I kinda wish you added a scan for the removal stuff like for Camus for example (but it's whatever I guess)

we started at part 0

I'm not understanding how the narrative of BFR souls being something treated as special for some Golds equals, let's remove "damaging the spirit directly for lower tiers/every cosmos user" as those are two different abilities (BFR removing souls =/= damaging them), however I do knowledge the lack of scans to justify the continue inclusion of it, so I suppose the removal is fine either way.

interacting with souls isn't soul manipulation. There are plenty of instances of Saints interacting with stray souls, but not many of them interacting with souls within an actual body. Souls within the verse also tend to reform/regenerate unless certain abilities or instruments are used.

Alright for the acasuality type 1 for Shura, I guess this is more of a question for the standards of acasuality type 1 here. Does the fact that the world attempts to eliminate from the future (not just past) is also something to be an included detail or does it give a completely different justification or ----?

It's a GA thing, so shouldn't be on the Classic profile in either case, I would have removed it in part 0, seems like I missed it

For Aspros this is more me trying to confirm the logic for the justification (yes or no?) for specters Regen. Alright Yoma uses his ability we see Aspros devolving until he's just disappears. Then Yoma makes the comment

"You'll revert to what you were even before you became a fetus."

Then Aspros reveals himself stating he's immortal and also the flow of time no longer works on him also.

So the current justification for Aspros is he didn't revert to before he became a fetus due to his type 1 Acasuality, but instead stopped right at when he became a fetus then regenerated????

"As a specter serving Hades, Aspros, regenerated from being a fetus"

I defer to @TheUnshakableOne
.

 

[Hasty12345]

Hello everyone.

Correction for them not having space-time resistance due to Athena's blood. Its actually stated in the manga that this was gained due to the cloths being revived with Athena's blood. So they should have the resistance post-cloth revival or whenever they are using their winged forms.

Cloth-revivals are the in-verse equivalent of a saiyan zenkai.

could you quote the specific segment you're referring to, I don't think there's been a mistake? Only the 5 bronzes and gods should have it, we're trying to remove it from any golds or spectres that may have it as a result of misunderstandings.

The Leo Cloth and other G Golds would get it, but they don't have profiles at this point in time.

 

[AllForOne]

could you quote the specific segment you're referring to, I don't think there's been a mistake? Only the 5 bronzes and gods should have it, we're trying to remove it from any golds or spectres that may have it as a result of misunderstandings.

The Leo Cloth and other G Golds would get it, but they don't have profiles at this point in time.

You're right actually, I misread it. Perhaps its time to make a profile for it.

 

[Hasty12345]

You're right actually, I misread it. Perhaps its time to make a profile for it.

let's fix the dozens of profiles we already have before making more.

 

[Huesito88]

"interacting with souls isn't soul manipulation. There are plenty of instances of Saints interacting with stray souls, but not many of them interacting with souls within an actual body. Souls within the verse also tend to reform/regenerate unless certain abilities or instruments are used."

Yes I'm aware of interacting with souls is different from attacking the soul directly. I didn't oppose to the removal more on the part where it should be removed because Gold's soul BFR narrative stuff.



"It's a GA thing, so shouldn't be on the Classic profile in either case, I would have removed it in part 0, seems like I missed it"

Remove it away then however I still think it's certainly something to things about for GA stuff, getting eliminated by the future.



"I defer to @TheUnshakableOne
."

Alright then I can wait I'm going to guess it'll be a translation thing

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Says part 2, but has part 1 in the title, also I kinda wish you added a scan for the removal stuff like for Camus for example (but it's whatever I guess)

I'm not understanding how the narrative of BFR souls being something treated as special for some Golds equals, let's remove "damaging the spirit directly for lower tiers/every cosmos user" as those are two different abilities (BFR removing souls =/= damaging them), however I do knowledge the lack of scans to justify the continue inclusion of it, so I suppose the removal is fine either way.



Alright for the acasuality type 1 for Shura, I guess this is more of a question for the standards of acasuality type 1 here. Does the fact that the world attempts to eliminate from the future (not just past) is also something to be an included detail or does it give a completely different justification or ----?



For Aspros this is more me trying to confirm the logic for the justification (yes or no?) for specters Regen. Alright Yoma uses his ability we see Aspros devolving until he's just disappears. Then Yoma makes the comment

"You'll revert to what you were even before you became a fetus."

Then Aspros reveals himself stating he's immortal and also the flow of time no longer works on him also.

So the current justification for Aspros is he didn't revert to before he became a fetus due to his type 1 Acasuality, but instead stopped right at when he became a fetus then regenerated????

"As a specter serving Hades, Aspros, regenerated from being a fetus"

You can have both regen with Acausality. It's just the way it's shown. Some verses do it by having no physical change, some show it through Regeneration or some other method.

 

[Hasty12345]

"It's a GA thing, so shouldn't be on the Classic profile in either case, I would have removed it in part 0, seems like I missed it"

Remove it away then however I still think it's certainly something to things about for GA stuff, getting eliminated by the future.

I'm sure Shura's G profile will cause plenty of controversies, best to leave those discussions for the future.

 

[Kumagawaa]

Like Ziggy for the most part I agree with everything but there are that I have questions for. But they can be dealt with at a later time when this passes to make things easier and less chaotic.

 

[noninho]

Wwhen all elements in the universe are combined [...]

There is this typo
The rest seems pretty reasonable, I agree

 

[AlexZiggy]

Would characters hiding/concealing their Cosmo signature entail any resistance?

 

[noninho]

Would characters hiding/concealing their Cosmo signature entail any resistance?

If cosmo=soul then Minor Soul Manip

But I highly doubt so, so it would be like Zetsu, a type of nen usage from Hunter X Hunter

From Nen:

Zetsu - Stealth Mastery and Limited Body Control (Zetsu shuts off all aura nodes in the body, effectively concealing a user's presence, it can conceal from even other Nen Users. Ordinary people are unable to sense them even if they're in direct line of sight. Zetsu also relieves fatigue as aura is forced to stay inside)

 

[AlexZiggy]

If cosmo=soul then Minor Soul Manip

But I highly doubt so, so it would be like Zetsu, a type of nen usage from Hunter X Hunter

From Nen:

Stealth mastery it is

 

[Antvasima]

@Matthew_Schroeder @AerrowStorm1 @CrimsonStarFallen @Alonik @Ultima_Reality @Apex_Predator_GX @Shadowbokunohero @Sage_God_Slayer @BluudyManikin777 @TheUnshakableOne @AlexZiggy @JustSomeWeirdo @Theglassman12 @Eficiente @DemonGodMitchAubin @Duedate8898 @Planck69 @Armorchompy @EliminatorVenom @FinePoint @Propellus

What do you think about this?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Just one question, where does type 9 immortality come from?

The rest seems fine to me

To add to my previous list

Thanatos and hypnos also hide their true body in Elysium

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

To add to my previous list

Thanatos and hypnos also hide their true body in Elysium

So I remember that, that's fine with me, Athena does this also scale?

 

[Hasty12345]

So I remember that, that's fine with me, Athena does this also scale?

Probably not as she reincarnates. She’s the exception to a lot of “rules”.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Probably not as she reincarnates. She’s the exception to a lot of “rules”.

Was thinking the same thing, also Eris had her true self sealed. So likely her as well. But I'll go back and read that context to make sure that asteroid wasn't special.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Probably not as she reincarnates. She’s the exception to a lot of “rules”.

It makes sense, Poseidon is also like Athena, right?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

So the bronzeboys will have to have denial of immortality type 9 and among others, for killing low-ranking gods, sounds good to me.

 

[Hasty12345]

It makes sense, Poseidon is also like Athena, right?

No.

 

[Hasty12345]

So the bronzeboys will have to have denial of immortality type 9 and among others, for killing low-ranking gods, sounds good to me.

No because they went to the plane the true bodies exist within.

Iirc negation would require a mechanic to kill the gods from Earth or something along those lines.

The type 9 immortality is probably something every deity can do, it really only applies to shun hades and the twin gods LC key if they ever get them.

Might be worth just putting it on Hades’ profile in the Shun/Alone keys.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

No because they went to the plane the true bodies exist within.

Iirc negation would require a mechanic to kill the gods from Earth or something along those lines.

The type 9 immortality is probably something every deity can do, it really only applies to shun hades and the twin gods LC key if they ever get them.

Might be worth just putting it on Hades’ profile in the Shun/Alone keys.

I agree with this

 

[noninho]

There is this typo
The rest seems pretty reasonable, I agree

Bumping this from chaos manip section and also reiterating that I agree

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. There has been a very disappointing lack of staff responses here, despite that I sent out notifications, and do so comparatively seldom nowadays.

 

[Hasty12345]

Hmm. There has been a very disappointing lack of staff responses here, despite that I sent out notifications, and do so comparatively seldom nowadays.

I appreciate your help, the effort means a lot.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

@Celestial_Pegasus @Elizhaa @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @GyroNutz @Crabwhale

Would any of you be willing to help evaluate this please?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

No problem.

@Celestial_Pegasus @Elizhaa @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @GyroNutz @Crabwhale

Would any of you be willing to help evaluate this please?

I am currently backed up with other evaluation requests and a my irl condition keeps me busy/leaves me mentally exhausted from time to time but I'll try and get to this when able if it doesn't get enough evaluation.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you very much for helping out. Please take good care of yourself.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Alright, so I'm fine with removing all the powers/abilities that aren't shown, have no backing (scan or description). As for the abilities that need evaluation, the passive supernatural willpower and instinctive reaction scan is broken (404 keeps showing up), and the Passive Fate Manipulation/Negation doesn't seem justified from the linked scan, it just has Hades and Athena talking about love and how it can overcome anything then multiple saints show up, I'm not sure if I'm missing context or not (I probably am) but other that that, the rest of the abilities look good to me (the ones without references can use some).

Finally, I think a Cosmos Page is fine to have given it's general use in the verse and number of abilities. I don't have the time to go through all the scans but it looks okay enough given the references and scans will help to notice if anything is a miss. Overall, I think the revision is okay I'm not knowledgeable on the series so I can't contribute on discussing much else though but I hope this gets done.

 

[AerrowStorm1]

I really have no problem with making a cosmos page or the revisions.