Kaiou1991
He/Him- 14
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Given the nature of this CRT and the fact it's coming from a user with 0 post history, I believe I owe it to everyone to at least introduce myself and write a little bit of context. You may skip this preamble.
I have been lurking on the wiki for a few years, so I am well aware of the procedures and most of the wiki policy. I am an active user of the unofficial VBW Saint Seiya Discord server and for the last 2 years have contributed to almost every Saint Seiya CRT dropped by that group off-site in the form of creating arguments, getting scans and all the other wonderful things that come with trying to make changes to profiles. This particular CRT is a massive group effort and I fought tooth and nail to be the one to actually post it, so I finally made an account and here we are.
The FAQ page says
This passage in the FAQ equates temporal Dimensions to the same thing as a Time Axis. The Saint Seiya verse has a direct statement of multiple time axes possibly up to an infinite number of additional time axes, and that's what this CRT is going to explain.
The Primary Evidence
The past and future are explicitly stated to have and to be different time axes. This isn't stated Just once but twice. This in itself isn’t enough for High 1-B. However, we have a direct statement that Time is infinite, and even more so, the Universe has an Infinite Number of Futures that branch out.
There are direct, and explicit statements stating that there are an infinite number of futures that branch out, and are also stated to be “numerous” (数多) and “fragmented” while “branching” from “this universe.”
Further Evidence
— First, it is significant to understand that a universe, including space-time continuums and timelines, encompasses all three-dimensional space that can be accessed through regular movement within the universe. This means that any location that can be theoretically reached through conventional means of travel, such as spaceflight, would be considered part of the same universe and timeline, regardless of how the fiction portrays it. Movement between universes should only be feasible through extraordinary modes of transportation, such as portals, higher-dimensional movement, or teleportation. By default, it is assumed that universes have separate three-dimensional spaces, but if a piece of fiction demonstrates otherwise, the destruction of several connected timelines would be rated as Low 2-C (Universe level+).
— Secondly, there is the case of timelines that are connected at certain points in time. Unlike the scenario in which travel between universes is always possible through three-dimensional movement, the connection between these timelines only occurs at specific times. At these moments, the timelines may be considered as the same universe. For instance, if a timeline splits into two, the timelines were once the same universe before the split occurred. Conversely, if two timelines merge into one, they become the same universe only after they have been fused. In such cases, the destruction of a timeline is only accounted for if it was not connected to any other timeline for an infinite amount of time. Conversely, if numerous timelines were never separated for an infinite amount of time, they would be considered as one timeline to tier their destruction or creation.
It should be noted that timelines are assumed to be infinite in length unless evidence to the contrary is provided.[/quote]
A character named “Capricorn Shura” is directly stated to be “Traveling through time” and is also additionally directly stated that he was time travelling. His sole purpose is to “Correct Causality” of the branching futures that are directly stated to be connected. This is further evidence because Shura is directly stated to be moving into a different “time axis” when he is forced to go to another world. Which, Shura is stated to be saving “Infinite presents.”
There we have further evidence that every “Branching future” (in this case alternative “Infinite number of presents”) is/are a “Different Time Axis/temporal dimension” and every branch is directly stated to be connected, and is all stated to be sharing the same universe, and thus it cannot be referring to a multiverse contextually in any way as per the standards laid out on the FAQ page, and Universe pages linked above.
Supplementary Evidence
The universe is stated to be “infinite multidimensional (多次元).” This is explicitly, and directly, stating that the Universe has an infinite multitude of dimensions. (Specifically, temporal dimensions/time Axes which are supported by the context of the series)
The universe is then again also further stated to be multidimensional (多次元) later again.
Conclusion
If Past and Future have different Time axes and there are an infinite number of branching futures, and even an infinite number of present moments all stated, and implied to have their time axis that is “different from one another.'' That would then mean the Universe has an Infinite number of Temporal Dimensions due to every future, and “alternative present branch” having a different Time Axis.
Thus, the Universes in Saint Seiya should be High 1-B because of an infinite number of temporal dimensions.
Who scales to this?
All past, and future time axes reside within a realm called “The Lake of Time.” This realm is under the influence of Chronos, the God of time. Chronos allowed Athena to Time Travel in Saint Seiya: Next Dimension this happens around Chapter 18 which then later leads to the statement that the past and future are different Time Axes in much later chapters. Take note of how it is specifically stated to use the Kanji for “Macrocosmos.” That is important because the “Big Bang” created the “Macrocosmos.” Which just means “large universe/Greater Universe.” This upscales things like the Athena Exclamation.
This also further supports the Olympian God's scaling because Chronos is directly stated to be weaker than all the Olympians in terms of power. He is also stated to not be equal to the Olympians, and for him to beat Zeus and the Olympians. He has to resort to using the Apocalypse Clock in secret.
The Olympian Gods are stated to be capable of destroying the whole Universe
Scaling Conclusion
Olympian Gods, and the adversaries that scale with them I.E Kronos, Eris, Hypnos, Thanatos, Etc. (via environmental destruction and scaling well above the Big Bang)
The Athena Exclamation (is as powerful as the Big Bang)
God Cloths (above the Athena Exclamation)
Regulus via Athena Exclamation and “Higher with Zodiac Exclamation”
9th sense users (via being above an AE done by "Transcendent Saints"))(none of which currently have profiles but are being worked on)
Agree: @AlexZiggy, @henryzx900ruly, @StekFence
Neutral:
Disagree: @LuffyRuffy46307, @Killerdrone123, @ChoursDropoff
I have been lurking on the wiki for a few years, so I am well aware of the procedures and most of the wiki policy. I am an active user of the unofficial VBW Saint Seiya Discord server and for the last 2 years have contributed to almost every Saint Seiya CRT dropped by that group off-site in the form of creating arguments, getting scans and all the other wonderful things that come with trying to make changes to profiles. This particular CRT is a massive group effort and I fought tooth and nail to be the one to actually post it, so I finally made an account and here we are.
The FAQ page says
This passage in the FAQ equates temporal Dimensions to the same thing as a Time Axis. The Saint Seiya verse has a direct statement of multiple time axes possibly up to an infinite number of additional time axes, and that's what this CRT is going to explain.
The Primary Evidence
The past and future are explicitly stated to have and to be different time axes. This isn't stated Just once but twice. This in itself isn’t enough for High 1-B. However, we have a direct statement that Time is infinite, and even more so, the Universe has an Infinite Number of Futures that branch out.
There are direct, and explicit statements stating that there are an infinite number of futures that branch out, and are also stated to be “numerous” (数多) and “fragmented” while “branching” from “this universe.”
Further Evidence
— First, it is significant to understand that a universe, including space-time continuums and timelines, encompasses all three-dimensional space that can be accessed through regular movement within the universe. This means that any location that can be theoretically reached through conventional means of travel, such as spaceflight, would be considered part of the same universe and timeline, regardless of how the fiction portrays it. Movement between universes should only be feasible through extraordinary modes of transportation, such as portals, higher-dimensional movement, or teleportation. By default, it is assumed that universes have separate three-dimensional spaces, but if a piece of fiction demonstrates otherwise, the destruction of several connected timelines would be rated as Low 2-C (Universe level+).
— Secondly, there is the case of timelines that are connected at certain points in time. Unlike the scenario in which travel between universes is always possible through three-dimensional movement, the connection between these timelines only occurs at specific times. At these moments, the timelines may be considered as the same universe. For instance, if a timeline splits into two, the timelines were once the same universe before the split occurred. Conversely, if two timelines merge into one, they become the same universe only after they have been fused. In such cases, the destruction of a timeline is only accounted for if it was not connected to any other timeline for an infinite amount of time. Conversely, if numerous timelines were never separated for an infinite amount of time, they would be considered as one timeline to tier their destruction or creation.
It should be noted that timelines are assumed to be infinite in length unless evidence to the contrary is provided.[/quote]
A character named “Capricorn Shura” is directly stated to be “Traveling through time” and is also additionally directly stated that he was time travelling. His sole purpose is to “Correct Causality” of the branching futures that are directly stated to be connected. This is further evidence because Shura is directly stated to be moving into a different “time axis” when he is forced to go to another world. Which, Shura is stated to be saving “Infinite presents.”
There we have further evidence that every “Branching future” (in this case alternative “Infinite number of presents”) is/are a “Different Time Axis/temporal dimension” and every branch is directly stated to be connected, and is all stated to be sharing the same universe, and thus it cannot be referring to a multiverse contextually in any way as per the standards laid out on the FAQ page, and Universe pages linked above.
Supplementary Evidence
The universe is stated to be “infinite multidimensional (多次元).” This is explicitly, and directly, stating that the Universe has an infinite multitude of dimensions. (Specifically, temporal dimensions/time Axes which are supported by the context of the series)
The universe is then again also further stated to be multidimensional (多次元) later again.
Conclusion
If Past and Future have different Time axes and there are an infinite number of branching futures, and even an infinite number of present moments all stated, and implied to have their time axis that is “different from one another.'' That would then mean the Universe has an Infinite number of Temporal Dimensions due to every future, and “alternative present branch” having a different Time Axis.
Thus, the Universes in Saint Seiya should be High 1-B because of an infinite number of temporal dimensions.
Who scales to this?
All past, and future time axes reside within a realm called “The Lake of Time.” This realm is under the influence of Chronos, the God of time. Chronos allowed Athena to Time Travel in Saint Seiya: Next Dimension this happens around Chapter 18 which then later leads to the statement that the past and future are different Time Axes in much later chapters. Take note of how it is specifically stated to use the Kanji for “Macrocosmos.” That is important because the “Big Bang” created the “Macrocosmos.” Which just means “large universe/Greater Universe.” This upscales things like the Athena Exclamation.
This also further supports the Olympian God's scaling because Chronos is directly stated to be weaker than all the Olympians in terms of power. He is also stated to not be equal to the Olympians, and for him to beat Zeus and the Olympians. He has to resort to using the Apocalypse Clock in secret.
The Olympian Gods are stated to be capable of destroying the whole Universe
Scaling Conclusion
Olympian Gods, and the adversaries that scale with them I.E Kronos, Eris, Hypnos, Thanatos, Etc. (via environmental destruction and scaling well above the Big Bang)
The Athena Exclamation (is as powerful as the Big Bang)
God Cloths (above the Athena Exclamation)
Regulus via Athena Exclamation and “Higher with Zodiac Exclamation”
9th sense users (via being above an AE done by "Transcendent Saints"))(none of which currently have profiles but are being worked on)
Agree: @AlexZiggy, @henryzx900ruly, @StekFence
Neutral:
Disagree: @LuffyRuffy46307, @Killerdrone123, @ChoursDropoff
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