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Saint Seiya; Low 1-C thread.

Hasty12345 said:
So I went and did some digging, Athena asked Kronos (Chronos, Khronos, Cronus, Cronos) to send her to the past to change the future, but that isn't how time travel works in the series. What ended up happening is she was sent to a different past branch. She was also told that time travel cannot change history. Additionally, in Saint Seiya: Episode G Assassins, it was made evident that the "past" is indefinite and cannot be undone. Aiolios, of the Lost World, took Aiolia from his world's past, and moved him into another branch, but that did not alter, or change, his own branch in any way, shape, or form, from a time paradox, or change his branches future. It remained the same by all events being completely untouched, and unchanged. Another example is Avenir from Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas Gaidens, and Kairos. Avenir was rescued by Kronos (Chronos, Khronos, Cronus, Cronos), and sent to the past, but that didn't change his branches history. Additionally, Karios was not apart of Avenirs branch. Kairos was an anomaly in the Saint Seiya: Lost Canvas branch. The reason Avenir was moved from his branch into the branch of Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas was strictly because of Kairos. Thus, time travel to change the past history, or past events, of a Universe is not something that exist within the Saint Seiya universe.
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Oh I like this! Leaning towards agree
 
Let's just save some of unrelated discussion for future or/ Saint seiya discussion thread, previous thread was quite chaotic right?
 
PrinceofPein said:
Well this does not really qualify for as different axis since changes still affects the future
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Dude!, where you simply just not paying attention to what is being discussed here? Even the dude who claim the same shit you are spewing doesn't have anything to back it up.

So, do pray tell, prove that you aren't just disagreeing with this thread for just disagreeing purpose.
 
Mod could atleast start coming out to vote given everything that needs to be discussed has already been done.
 
Danny33wise said:
Dude!, where you simply just not paying attention to what is being discussed here? Even the dude who claim the same shit you are spewing doesn't have anything to back it up.

So, do pray tell, prove that you aren't just disagreeing with this thread for just disagreeing purpose.
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Try to calm down, bro ;-;
 

外の世界では消え続け、別の世界では在り続ける
Disappearing from one world and appearing in another,

同じ人間が同時に存在する世界
The same people existing simultaneously in the same world.

ブラックホール情報パラドックス
It's the Black Hole Information Paradox.

ボク等はそこを超えて未来（ここ）に来た
We crossed over from there and came here, to the future.

それを許されたのはボク等がこの未来では既に死んでいるから
We were allowed to do so because we are already dead in this future.

過去の世界は多数改変されても
Even if the past world suffers many changes,

死んだ歴史は変わらない
the history of the dead is unchanged.

GA chapter 31
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Different time axis can work on their own if there's no contradicting evidence. The fact that time travel can cause branching timelines and effect things in the past would point at a standard multiverse rather than Low 1-C or High 1-B.
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Bump. Furthermore evidences regarding how changes in past not having any effects on future has been presented/; aside from two time axis having no contradicting evidence against it either way. Can you clarify your stance regarding the proposal.
AlexZiggy said:

外の世界では消え続け、別の世界では在り続ける
Disappearing from one world and appearing in another,

同じ人間が同時に存在する世界
The same people existing simultaneously in the same world.

ブラックホール情報パラドックス
It's the Black Hole Information Paradox.

ボク等はそこを超えて未来（ここ）に来た
We crossed over from there and came here, to the future.

それを許されたのはボク等がこの未来では既に死んでいるから
We were allowed to do so because we are already dead in this future.

過去の世界は多数改変されても
Even if the past world suffers many changes,

死んだ歴史は変わらない
the history of the dead is unchanged.

GA chapter 31
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Qawsedf234 said:
Having different universes in the same space is Tier 2. The only way to get Tier 1 is if you could prove that two things exist in the same physical plane and that the time erasure of one section wouldn't effect the other section.

The OP just reads as standard multiversal time travel.
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
All the stories about not changing that line still happen in Saint Seiya.



Chronos also says that changes can happen in the timeline



There are other mentions of changes to the timeline





And more mentions of Athena's cause in the past






Athena with her unpleasant presence is shaping the entire timeline and causing strange events in the past



By the way, ND things happen in the past that actually affect the future, so I don't think it qualifies as low 1-C anyway.


Athena goes to the past to affect the future, where she steals Hades' sword, so that the same fate doesn't happen where Seiya meets his death in his future, so there's plenty of evidence that changes in the past can affect the future itself




I disagree about the part about not changing anything, because it's literally shown events that Athena does shape the entire flow of time.

Although, i think this should be added, since there is a different space-time flow between the past and future timelines. (i'm completely sure it will help with low 1-C)

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In fact, if you can read my disagreements on the subject i will thank you too.
 
Reiner04 said:
Bump. Furthermore evidences regarding how changes in past not having any effects on future has been presented/; aside from two time axis having no contradicting evidence against it either way. Can you clarify your stance regarding the proposal.
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If the time travel goes to previous versions of the universe but exists as a seperate temporal space then it would show two time axis I guess.

But if changes in the past cause repercussions in the future then it's just a multiverse.
 
I've put Qawsed in Neutral considering that he clarified what qualifies and what not but hasn't chosen any definitive side.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
All the stories about not changing that line still happen in Saint Seiya.



Chronos also says that changes can happen in the timeline



There are other mentions of changes to the timeline





And more mentions of Athena's cause in the past






Athena with her unpleasant presence is shaping the entire timeline and causing strange events in the past



By the way, ND things happen in the past that actually affect the future, so I don't think it qualifies as low 1-C anyway.


Athena goes to the past to affect the future, where she steals Hades' sword, so that the same fate doesn't happen where Seiya meets his death in his future, so there's plenty of evidence that changes in the past can affect the future itself




I disagree about the part about not changing anything, because it's literally shown events that Athena does shape the entire flow of time.

Although, i think this should be added, since there is a different space-time flow between the past and future timelines. (i'm completely sure it will help with low 1-C)

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Qawsedf234 said:
That's fine, I just don't know enough about the series to really comment
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I think you can see some of my points, where i explain a little about the context of ND time travel.
 
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