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What happened with DBH is of no concern here.
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Low 1-C Saint Seiya(Toei)
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Actually, some of them do, mainly abzu and Saturn. I’ll be working on stat changes for them, then powers.
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I also think 5D makes the most sense here
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Think potentially 5D seems fine.
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Can i ask why perhaps?
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I also want to ask why, because the only statement here is beyond time, and even DBH was rejected and had a better explanation than this, i don't think that's enough to be 5D
Furthermore, the Op's translation was wrong about transcending space and time, in the official translation here it is beyond time.
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Hey, hey, fanta here. Back again. Can somebody translate these pages? Controversial novel statements that are very important to a verse's scaling. Might as well throw the clothing creation one in too lol 『魔神』とは性質が違う『橋架結社』にとって、衣装の製作くらいは難しい話でも
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In the English language, they are synonymous
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Furthermore, this is factually wrong, as you and I know.
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Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Stop bringing up DB.I also want to ask why, because the only statement here is beyond time, and even DBH was rejected and had a better explanation than this, i don't think that's enough to be 5D
Furthermore, the Op's translation was wrong about transcending space and time, in the official translation here it is beyond time.
Official Translation Requests Thread (New forum)
Hey, hey, fanta here. Back again. Can somebody translate these pages? Controversial novel statements that are very important to a verse's scaling. Might as well throw the clothing creation one in too lol 『魔神』とは性質が違う『橋架結社』にとって、衣装の製作くらいは難しい話でもvsbattles.com
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As i said before, this alone is not 5D, and no, you are using logic that does not scale to verse, basically anything that has this could be 5D, which is not true, because in other verses the same thing did not happen, there is no context for higher dimension with this.
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Your vote has been counted you don’t have to continue exclaiming your discontent.
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I'm just questioning the things you are using, this is in no way superficial to qualify, there has to be more evidence.
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I’m not using anything, this is not my CRT.
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I know, but the method you are using does not qualify for 5D.
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Hypertime lines don’t qualify for 5D?
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You know there was more evidence than that, and not just a mention of being beyond time, this argument doesn't work.
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I mean it’s a good point the argument got rejected if the argument got rejected for the same reason.
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he's not allowed to continue arguing/debating? why?
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I didn’t once say that.
He’s talking at me about lack of evidence, something he has vocalised many times already.
I have no issues with him debating the thread, but that’s not what I’m calling him out on.
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you did though. he's debating the fact that it lacks evidence, according to him, which is a perfectly valid reason for him to vocalize himself.
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But DBH got rejected for the same thing
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Unless, there was evidence of the worlds time actually being beyond time yeah? Which is what is suggested by the fact that tokisada says the world contains literally all of time overlapping itself, a statement that is sequentially after stating the world to be beyond time? Which is corroborated by the website?
If he’s stopping time in a world beyond the reach of well, time, then that’s evidence of a second time dimension, ie 5D. Simply refusing to interact with the rest of the argument doesn’t dismantle it.
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The translation was wrong, it was not transcending space and time, but beyond time.
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Transcend space and time/beyond time
They are very different things, they do not have the same meaning.
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That same argument has been rejected, you get nothing for there being a location beyond time and stopping time is not enough evidence to reach low 1-C, as others have said, there is not enough evidence for this to be accepted as 5D above.
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Transcend: be or go beyond the range or limits of (a field of activity or conceptual sphere).
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potentially 5D seems fine to me using the analogy for hypertimelines
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i think I see luffy's doubt. To the best of my knowledge he's saying that this doesnt necessarily "proves" a higher temporal dimension just that this realm can have its own parallel 4D temporal dimension which would probably still allow Tokisada to accomplish that. To prove a higher temporal dimension would require more evidence of its "orthogonality". at least this is what I understood.
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To actually prove orthogonality you need to prove side ways time.
If it’s a strict requirement, then no verse without explicit statements of having sideways time should qualify.
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I agree i think the standards are trash tbh but thats what I got from reading them and the thread again. Authors shouldnt be expected to write like literal powerscalers just to prove a concept exists in a verse without a shred of doubt
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Hypertime lines should require literal statements of high temporal dimensions or be treated as an anti-feat to 2-C - 2-A cosmologies IMO.
After talking to people off site, my opinion on the scaling meta has completely shifted.
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Idk if thats the best way to treat it but its sounds better than side flowing time lmao. Tbh the only verse I can find that even remotely mentions hypertime(line) is DC comics with its cube time shit
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Doctor Who is another example of a verse that explicitly mentions the existence of time having 2 orthogonal directions. It does happen.
But with how we currently treat hypertime lines is essentially “we refuse to acknowledge this tier 2 cosmology has glaring antifeats to meet the criteria of 2-C (to 2-A) so let’s use fan fiction to inflate tiers.”
This crt is no different, you can’t have time beyond time, so we have 2 options:
We treat it as a higher dimensional time and thus rate it as low 1-C or
Acknowledge its incoherent and treat it as low 2-C.
The fact we allow for these antifeats to automatically assert the existence of a higher temporal dimension means you can’t deny at least a possibly low 1-C.
So every 2-C verse may as well get a possibly low 1-C rating if there’s an implication of shared timeline (instead of actually recognising it contradicts the cosmology being 2-C to begin with).
By the current hypertime line standards.
And ofc this is just my opinion.
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