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pretty sure my argument on this topic haven't been debunked
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Saint Seiya High 1-B Upgrade (Manga)
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Hasty12345
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On this site with some users, even StS CRTs aren't about StS.
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users will make a upgrade thread about some random verse from 2012 and then try to apply Homestuck args
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We all know that it's not about Dragon Ball, it's about their standards that are distorted and trying to take it further.
Most of the people who have commented here are not Dragon Ball fans, i don't know why this absurd hatred of yours for DB fans, being that the only mistake is your beliefs that are wrong and some people are saying that this is not right
But if this continues, your path here will certainly be short.
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=/ Huh what?
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Okay no more derailing if anyone disagrees with low 1-C dbs they're free to make a CRT debunking it
Hasty12345
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The 3 major opponents of this thread have DB avatars, 2 of them have active DB upgrade threads.
Who are you trying to fool?
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dude stop. does it matter if they are db fans? you used to have an ssj4 avatar and were planning on a low 1-C u7 thread.
No more accusations and the same goes for @LuffyRuffy46307
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They are insulting us for crying, when we are only pointing out mistakes.
Hasty12345
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Dude stop mini modding please, everyone but Luffy knows I’m one of the sites biggest DB fans.
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I'm literally trying to prevent derailing in order to prevent clutter so the CRT can be evaluated and yes thats precisely my point
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Using false equivalency’s won’t get you anywhere. Showing the flaws in the Logic presented isn’t involved with DB in any way.
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No
Like I said db didn't needed to prove that since it already had a higher time axis proven in the narrative which contains lesser time axis
Also please stop bringing db into this and also to others stop derailing the crt is already 4 pages long
Hasty12345
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Care to show where the false equivalency is?
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what is going on
Hasty12345
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That quote literally debunks your argument, it literally says orthogonality is a requirement which is literally what the whole DB argument aims to prove in a round about way.
The only reason why DB has been brought up is because the arguments are using the same logic so it’s being used as an analogy to help the DB supporters who are opposing this thread understand the argument they’re debating against.
You keep saying “it’s different” but it actually isn’t. The argument in the OP has a direct statement that satisfies the criteria, DB didn’t/doesn’t, hence why the blog used for DB is so long. But this CRT aims to prove StS follows the same underlying logic BUT HAS DIRECT STATEMENTS of having multiple temporal axes.
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proving higher temporal axes is the same as proving orthogonality (since the it cannot be higher if its parallel) as hasty and I already agreed to. What i dont understand is why he thinks the existence of multiple temporal dimensions inherently means they're orthogonal when it could also point towards 2-A
Killerdrone123
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Read again higher temporal axis contains lesser temporal dimension hence why it is automatically orthogonal we didn't needed to prove that the timeline is orthogonal you have to prove either why the time axis in saint seiya are orthogonal or show that the higher time axis contains lower time axis
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Can we get tier 1 mods like @Qawsedf234 and others?
Hasty12345
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I did read it hence my comment.
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We need to summon @Planck69
Killerdrone123
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Ik he was saying that ss case was same as db while it is not since db directly has a higher time axis proven by containing lesser time dimension while he is saying that multiple temporal dimensions are orthogonal
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I’m saying the underlying logic is the same.
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As for my vote i'm gonna say I'm neutral for now until i understand exactly how the existence of multiple temporal dimensions inherently means they're perpendicular/higher since as far as I know this logic should only apply to spatial dimensions
Killerdrone123
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I have nothing against orthogonality I am telling you to prove me why are they orthogonal having multiple temporal dimension doesn't mean they are directly orthogonal
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if you read the blog its actually more than that which is why I said that the blog does a better job at explaining the higher temporal dimension with an in-verse example
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I definitely agree with Low 1-C, considering the FAQ makes it clear that multiple temporal axes by default are enough but not easy for any series to adapt. Higher or lower dimensions are just VS Battles Wiki wording for any time axis aside from the existing one. It doesn't mean anything.
Regarding multiple timelines, I don't think we can assume each timeliness of the future will have its own axis, considering that it's directly stated that the future is an amalgamation of several alternate timelines, not that all of them have their own time axis. Only the past and future, which seem to be treated as different worlds, have separate time axes.
Coming to the infinite multitude of vector dimensions, I don’t agree with them being temporal dimensions given no evidence of it, though I can see some context (if translation is correct) about them being higher dimensions than normal ones perceived by us. 'One needs to reach the eighth consciousness to perceive them,' but I'm not knowledgeable on the series to state my opinion on it with certainty. Ig I agree with possibly (to make it clear i don't disagree or anything with solid but i just don't know enough about series). Also, about who scales to these spatial dimensions must be derived by virtue of those capable of affecting spatial higher dimensions, not temporal ones, since these aren't temporal.
Regarding multiple timelines, I don't think we can assume each timeliness of the future will have its own axis, considering that it's directly stated that the future is an amalgamation of several alternate timelines, not that all of them have their own time axis. Only the past and future, which seem to be treated as different worlds, have separate time axes.
Coming to the infinite multitude of vector dimensions, I don’t agree with them being temporal dimensions given no evidence of it, though I can see some context (if translation is correct) about them being higher dimensions than normal ones perceived by us. 'One needs to reach the eighth consciousness to perceive them,' but I'm not knowledgeable on the series to state my opinion on it with certainty. Ig I agree with possibly (to make it clear i don't disagree or anything with solid but i just don't know enough about series). Also, about who scales to these spatial dimensions must be derived by virtue of those capable of affecting spatial higher dimensions, not temporal ones, since these aren't temporal.
Killerdrone123
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Like I said I was explaining db reasoning for qualifying
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Agree with this.
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Is this a threat, btw?
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thats just talking about the 8th sense. Those that have it can perceive the entire multiverse
Hasty12345
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He threatens me every other thread, I’ve already said I’ve taken dumps more threatening than a guy with a Goku Black Avi
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Can you clarify this part? Because In a universe with infinite presents, you'd have infinite of these
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But whether a given point is the past or future is simply relative to your perspective
Hasty12345
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I gain nothing from reporting a blue name who’s most common phrase is “agree FRA”.
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More than one timeline can have one time axis per faq. U gotta have statement regarding them being separate axis, which seems to be only existing for future and present.
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