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He’s been permabanned guys and based on everyone’s arguments here, it was the right choice.
I think we should just move on from this.
I think we should just move on from this.
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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)
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Firstly, let me rephrase by saying that we are no longer relying on evidence from off-site conversations to issue punishments.
Secondly, while I acknowledge that the language used may be insulting, I do not consider it to be harassment. However, I do understand that the recipient may perceive it differently. In any case, if necessary, I can simply block the user and move on.
Lastly, I will make a note of this case (bookmark it) and move forward. But it is interesting that we are now beginning to consider off-site conversations as evidence for potential punishments, or to increase the severity of an existing punishment. I may comment it later with a staff member on this matter.
Secondly, while I acknowledge that the language used may be insulting, I do not consider it to be harassment. However, I do understand that the recipient may perceive it differently. In any case, if necessary, I can simply block the user and move on.
Lastly, I will make a note of this case (bookmark it) and move forward. But it is interesting that we are now beginning to consider off-site conversations as evidence for potential punishments, or to increase the severity of an existing punishment. I may comment it later with a staff member on this matter.
RandomGuy2345
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I mean, haven't we always?
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No, never as far as I am afraid.
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Are you questioning the veracity of Firestorm's claim, or are you simply pointing out that he didn't provide a screenshot of it? I have no doubt he's telling the truth. Do you? If you do, make that clear and stand behind your stance, don't just make a vague allusion to that notion.
Your opinion does not determine the meaning of words. It's textbook harassment and following him off-site to do so tiptoes at the border of cyberstalking.
That's not true, strictly speaking. Off-site behavior has been used in the RVR before as supporting evidence.
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As long as it pertains to actions related to the wiki. Which this case 100% falls on.
DaMonkeMan
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Without talking about it directly ( I'd hate to stir drama especially in a thread like this ) I actually recall people getting infractions for this kind of stuff even when it was off site.
The general policy, it seems, is that it doesn't matter if it's on site or off, you mock someone and get clapped.
Even more so for people who mock staff.
Dunno if you agree with that, but I know most people do, so that's how they do it here.
DaMonkeMan
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I hope it's not this because there would be 0 gain out of lying to get this guy perma banned.
Especially when Firestorm seemingly has no history of doing this and doesn't seem to hate the guy or anything, they especially wouldn't think " heh it'd be funny if I lied on this guy to get his ban extended and piss him off further ", nobody does that.
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Comment sections on other sites can't be blocked unless you block them all outright.
I blocked the guy on two other sites before it came to light to be the same guy from vsbw. Then he got banned. They guy "apologized" and got an early released. Not long after, his bad behavior relapsed both on an unrelated thread and my wall. He gets banned a second time.
Not long after, I'm getting the comment on another site and block him again.
Yeah, I consider this harassment.
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It is unclear how this is pertinent. All users, including the staff, must provide evidence. This is not a matter of trust, but rather of properly documenting the case.
Give examples where this was a thing or unspoken rule?
So he followed you here as well? Seems valid then.
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If you will not take a stance on it one way or the other, then your objections should be dismissed. You should have enough integrity to clearly and openly state your opinion on the matter.
For me, actually, someone attempted to portray my off-site behavior in such a way, and until I gave my side of the story that showed that it was A) misrepresented and B) two years prior, not recent, it was being discussed if I should receive an infraction and I was given a pretty stern message from Ant telling me to shape up before he got the whole story.
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Dropping by to say this is a bad, bad idea.
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Here is the page that references rules for offsite behavior.
vsbattles.fandom.com
Site Rules
The VS Battles Wiki is a community with a large number of active users, most of whom are dedicated to discussing and indexing statistics of characters from a variety of fictional franchises. However, maintaining proper conduct and behavior among the large and active user base of this community...
vsbattles.fandom.com
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I have taken a position on this matter and I have stated three times, I believe, that he should provide evidence regardless of whether or not you trust him.
I mean, it has advantages and disadvantages, but no rule. (now I saw there are, so nvm)
Thanks for sharing, seems I am outdated then.Here is the page that references rules for offsite behavior.
Site Rules
The VS Battles Wiki is a community with a large number of active users, most of whom are dedicated to discussing and indexing statistics of characters from a variety of fictional franchises. However, maintaining proper conduct and behavior among the large and active user base of this community...
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I gonna name one past incident.
That will been…. the one with Sera and the others.
That did involve off site stuff, but I not gonna go any further than that given this needs no further derailment than necessary.
Edit: Corrected recent to past incidents
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As I said, I will provide the evidence when I get home.
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The disadvantages completely overshadow any perceived positives. Users should also, just, be pushed to not act like a ass hat online. Its just a way too big can of worms to not address should specific instances become prominent enough.
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that and also treat others the same way you want to be treated
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Let me make sure I understand: are you saying that I can report VSBW members here for actions that occurred outside the wiki?
In any case, I was not aware that such rules existed, so I apologize for any problems this may have caused and also apologize to @Deagonx.
DaMonkeMan
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If the actions are about something from the wiki*
I think that's what they mean.
Like harassing someone for a CRT.
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This falls into a notability issue. But yeah, users have been banned before for harassment and doxing of others offsite. I believe the former is why Fandom actually stopped forcing the internal forums on us, because that was getting that bad, for that reason.
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Are there specific cases where additional evidence can be supported and accepted? While it makes more sense, I question whether screenshots can be considered existent. Even Discord support does not accept screenshots when evaluating support tickets, so why would a vs battle wiki accept them?
Off-site conversation evidence, which is often in the form of screenshots, is difficult to verify since chats can be manipulated. This can be a leading issue and can be abused. Reporting harassment on a forum is easy because a user can share the link and any admin can view it. However, if it happens off-site, the user cannot share it unless they call a staff member and share their screen, which most users find irritating.
On a forum or wiki, a user can always share the link to the message, and even if it has been deleted, the administrator can still see it. Staff members have more control over their platforms and can verify whether the information is true or not, whereas off-site cases are more challenging.
Therefore, I dislike using off-site evidence as it can be tricky. Sera's case is complicated and circumstantial, so I will not use it as a counter-argument to my point, as it involved many individuals and staff member's history to the point, any evidence was beneficial at that time.
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My brother in Christ, why are there dozens of posts tangibly related to a report that was already concluded??
If you feel strongly about it, make a thread
If you feel strongly about it, make a thread
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We are no longer is talking about the report, my brother or sister in christ, John and I are chatting on something that is relevant to the thread itself.
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It quite frankly isn't. You are not reporting someone nor do you relevantly discuss a report. Take this shit somewhere else.
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It frankly is in my perspective.
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I’ve cleared up the derailing comments.
Reminder to the normal members, it is against the rules for you to comment on this thread unless you’re making a report, are directly involved in a report, or have relevant information that hasn’t been mentioned in a report.
Reminder to the normal members, it is against the rules for you to comment on this thread unless you’re making a report, are directly involved in a report, or have relevant information that hasn’t been mentioned in a report.
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After reading the mass storm over the debate, I'm pretty sure a permaban is reasonable for now. If he comes back a year later to apologize to the staff on Community Central, then maybe. But he is literally harassing Firestorm for the sake of harassing him just because he doesn't like cosmic tier Doomslayer. A disagreement on stats is one thing that's harmless on paper, but using that as a motive to be harassing one of our more helpful and contributive users on the wiki (Admin or otherwise) that is not excusable. Also, the offsite rules explicitly state that harassing users in DMs is absolutely on the list of offsite things we CAN ban users for.
But anyway, we should move on from this topic given it is concluded.
But anyway, we should move on from this topic given it is concluded.
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XSOULOFCINDERX
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I have tried to calm things down, but would appreciate further help from our staff as well.
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So there has been a private discussion regarding the actions of @Transcending and @Beyond_transcending
It has been announced that they continuously stonewall on DC Comics related revisions and argue in bad faith. But what is worse is that they have self admitted on a wide variety of places that it is their full intention that they do so deliberately just to get people "Triggered"; particularly Antvasima and Deagonx. It goes without saying that a common disagreement is one thing, but deliberately attempting to bait your opponents is another. Based on some common understandings and behavior, they are apparently affiliated with various Anti-VSBW groups who wish to possibility destabilize the wiki or at the very least our DC Comics cosmology and scaling to be full of loopholes and exaggerated statistics ratings.
I unfortunately cannot share any public evidence of this claim, because another one of their wrong doings is that they have friends on various discord groups and are willing to commit to harassment against anyone who tries to expose their malicious intentions and art of deception and post them on places like quora. So out of respect to whoever it is who shared us the information, we cannot give out screen shots. But deliberately making bad arguments with the intention of provoking people, deliberately trying to deceive people with outrageous claims to upgrade their favorite verse, asking your friends to mass produce proxy accounts just to upvote or gang up on a content revision, and harassing anyone who tries to expose their dark intentions are all list of things that we do not condone here and it is agreed to add up to be a permanent ban worthy offense. I have Antvasima, Mr._Bambu, Firestorm808, Deagonx, and AKM sama to act as witnesses. And we can share the information with the rest of the HR group if prompted.
But thus, they are both permanently banned as agreed by staff in discussion.
It has been announced that they continuously stonewall on DC Comics related revisions and argue in bad faith. But what is worse is that they have self admitted on a wide variety of places that it is their full intention that they do so deliberately just to get people "Triggered"; particularly Antvasima and Deagonx. It goes without saying that a common disagreement is one thing, but deliberately attempting to bait your opponents is another. Based on some common understandings and behavior, they are apparently affiliated with various Anti-VSBW groups who wish to possibility destabilize the wiki or at the very least our DC Comics cosmology and scaling to be full of loopholes and exaggerated statistics ratings.
I unfortunately cannot share any public evidence of this claim, because another one of their wrong doings is that they have friends on various discord groups and are willing to commit to harassment against anyone who tries to expose their malicious intentions and art of deception and post them on places like quora. So out of respect to whoever it is who shared us the information, we cannot give out screen shots. But deliberately making bad arguments with the intention of provoking people, deliberately trying to deceive people with outrageous claims to upgrade their favorite verse, asking your friends to mass produce proxy accounts just to upvote or gang up on a content revision, and harassing anyone who tries to expose their dark intentions are all list of things that we do not condone here and it is agreed to add up to be a permanent ban worthy offense. I have Antvasima, Mr._Bambu, Firestorm808, Deagonx, and AKM sama to act as witnesses. And we can share the information with the rest of the HR group if prompted.
But thus, they are both permanently banned as agreed by staff in discussion.
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Braking
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This is not the place for this
Dragonite007
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Here you report these pages
Braking
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ahh never this existed. thanks!
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