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Works only on humansLight Yagami can kill Goku just by writing his name on the Death Note, despite Light being a normal human otherwise).
What happens when members try to use other franchises as examples.how the **** did you guys end up talking about death note
Death Note works only on humanSo what’s the verdict here
Hardly a time-stop, it is established that he skip time not stop time (except the feat he did to the gang in the in-between arc/pre-ToP). He apply his time manip on himself to leap in time to the future to strike Goku. It is similar to Infinite Speed character who when move make Finite speed character frozen like they are being time-stop according to Note 7 Speed page. But again Hit apply his time manip on himself, how can Goku resist an ability that not even cast on himself in the first place. So Goku react and counter-attack to Hit is either speed feat (which could be Immeasurable or Infinite) or PrecognitionIt's easy, juts figure out what hits does, whatever he does goku resists it.
Hit can skip time [and can freeze people while skipping time] so goku resists time skip no?
If time is getting skipped then how does it only applies to him honestly it's kinda similar to diavolo's time Erasure expect hit is only erasing a fraction of an secondHardly a time-stop, it is established that he skip time not stop time (except the feat he did to the gang in the in-between arc/pre-ToP). He apply his time manip on himself to leap in time to the future to strike Goku. It is similar to Infinite Speed character who when move make Finite speed character frozen like they are being time-stop according to Note 7 Speed page. But again Hit apply his time manip on himself, how can Goku resist an ability that not even cast on himself in the first place. So Goku react and counter-attack to Hit is either speed feat (which could be Immeasurable or Infinite) or Precognition
oh, so you goes cross-scale between verse now, so tell me did he skip the time of the entire universe or just himself to he fast forward in time???If time is getting skipped then how does it only applies to him honestly it's kinda similar to diavolo's time Erasure expect hit is only erasing a fraction of an second
No I was just saying it's similar to diavolo's time erasure let's just forget I said that or else this thread is gonna become a Jojo discussion thread just like how it became a death note discussion threadoh, so you goes cross-scale between verse now, so tell me did he skip the time of the entire universe or just himself to he fast forward in time???
Nah the problem is most people join in and decide to use other verse as example for their argument, and it dragged the thread into an entirely different directionThis. Is. Chaos.
Could we please get our thoughts in order? Let's do this like a [American] court of law: opening statements from the defense, then the prosecution, followed by cross-examination and finally, closing statements.
As much as I love chaos, this is hardly the place for it.
Yeah treating verses like they operate in the exact same way is a pet peeve of mine...Nah the problem is most people join in and decide to use other verse as example for their argument, and it dragged the thread into an entirely different direction
Uhhh goku can nullify powerHardly a time-stop, it is established that he skip time not stop time (except the feat he did to the gang in the in-between arc/pre-ToP). He apply his time manip on himself to leap in time to the future to strike Goku. It is similar to Infinite Speed character who when move make Finite speed character frozen like they are being time-stop according to Note 7 Speed page. But again Hit apply his time manip on himself, how can Goku resist an ability that not even cast on himself in the first place. So Goku react and counter-attack to Hit is either speed feat (which could be Immeasurable or Infinite) or Precognition
MFTL+ characters can move so fast another MFTL+ will be statued tho and I believe the goku likewise jiren were predicting hit time skip attack and I think they should even be faster than him on a norms.It is similar to Infinite Speed character who when move make Finite speed character frozen like they are being time-stop according to Note 7 Speed page.
Lack of immeasurable/infinite speeds.I would like it if someone corroborated why they shouldn't have it then. This is pretty blatant.
Believe me, as much as I want, they can all say the examples are outliers, you need one character having multiple feats, not many characters doing one featIt seems that most people agree with the notion that time skip is traveling through time. So if that's the case we have multiple people shown moving through it. Therefore having a multitude of examples of immeasarable speed. Saying theres a lack of examples seem like an arbitrary statment. Especially if you count the other examples besides the time skip ones.
The best argument they can do is "outlier this" "outlier that" I wouldn't be surprised this would get turned down, but I would be surprised if I see any actual decent response. So good lmaoBruh that's sounds so arduous . They're using the term outlier incorrectly, there's no contradictions and multiple examples. Plus saying one character needs multiple different feats is very pedantic. However, when it comes to goku, im pretty sure he does have multiple different examples. The time skip feat, saying timeskip won't work on him anymore in the rematch, having the reaction time to hang on to a time machine mid flight, and surpassing and reacting to Infinte zamasu who can travel through time via movement.
For now I'll wait until someone who actually disagrees wants to delineate their position though.
He never resist the time skip in the first place because the ability never once used on him like what Hit did to Jiren and the Mafia Boss.goku saw Vegeta's fight with hit and figured out how hits time skip works and predicted where hit was going to use it, he used ssjb kk X10 so he will be fast enough to resist the effects of time skip, if goku is significantly faster and stronger then the foe he can resist time powers
Pretty sure tine travel via sheer speed is just time travel nothing moreIf Goku was truly Immeasurable, then the time limit of the tournament of power would literally not matter to him, as he would be able to move forward or backward in time at will
Wasn't this already rejectedAlthough Heroes could be more likely to have immeasurable with feats of flying to alternate timelines and points in time via flight
None of the scenes in dragonball ever perfectly represent even ftl speeds. Furthermore, there's no reason that immeasurable speed characters can't just fight while time passes. Plus your statment is incorrect. In the TOP we see multiple people move through time at will to counter the time skip.If Goku was truly Immeasurable, then the time limit of the tournament of power would literally not matter to him, as he would be able to move forward or backward in time at will
However, Goku, and literally no one else in DB, can do feats such as this, so it contradicts Immeasurable Goku
Well by default it would be defined as immeasurable speed. Since with movement they're doing an action that isn't measurable. Plus in dragonball's case, Hit reacted to people countering his timeskip. Which shows his fighting speed is on that level.Pretty sure tine travel via sheer speed is just time travel nothing more
.Wasn't this already rejected