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Re:adding Resistance to Time Stop and Updating Hit's Range | Dragon Ball Super Revision
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Works only on humans
What happens when members try to use other franchises as examples.
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Vietthai96
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Hardly a time-stop, it is established that he skip time not stop time (except the feat he did to the gang in the in-between arc/pre-ToP). He apply his time manip on himself to leap in time to the future to strike Goku. It is similar to Infinite Speed character who when move make Finite speed character frozen like they are being time-stop according to Note 7 Speed page. But again Hit apply his time manip on himself, how can Goku resist an ability that not even cast on himself in the first place. So Goku react and counter-attack to Hit is either speed feat (which could be Immeasurable or Infinite) or Precognition
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This is just one giant circle.
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Let's just give Goku resistance to the very Platonic concept of time itself and call it a day.
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If time is getting skipped then how does it only applies to him honestly it's kinda similar to diavolo's time Erasure expect hit is only erasing a fraction of an second
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No I was just saying it's similar to diavolo's time erasure let's just forget I said that or else this thread is gonna become a Jojo discussion thread just like how it became a death note discussion thread
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Can't we just give Goku Immeasurable speed?
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This. Is. Chaos.
Could we please get our thoughts in order? Let's do this like a [American] court of law: opening statements from the defense, then the prosecution, followed by cross-examination and finally, closing statements.
As much as I love chaos, this is hardly the place for it.
Could we please get our thoughts in order? Let's do this like a [American] court of law: opening statements from the defense, then the prosecution, followed by cross-examination and finally, closing statements.
As much as I love chaos, this is hardly the place for it.
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Nah the problem is most people join in and decide to use other verse as example for their argument, and it dragged the thread into an entirely different direction
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Yeah treating verses like they operate in the exact same way is a pet peeve of mine...
So, Light Yagami is not relevant here. Diavolo is not relevant here. So, without using other characters and being like "they have it so why can't Goku?", could we get something like an explanation of how Time Skip works and why Goku would get Time Stop resistance due to it?
Please and thank you.
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I wonder how Light Yagami was brought here lol
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Uhhh goku can nullify power
But precognition sounds good, it aligns with goku "predicting hits action" and if we treat it as a speed feat, it would be immeasurable since he is defeating time travel [I know it's time skip, but technically both achieve the same results: going into the future], and we know time travel with pure speed is immeasurable. Tho we need some other immeasurable speed feats so the interputation isn't an outlier
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MFTL+ characters can move so fast another MFTL+ will be statued tho and I believe the goku likewise jiren were predicting hit time skip attack and I think they should even be faster than him on a norms.
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Since goku was moving in the timeskip itself it can't just be a precognition feat to my understanding, since moving in the time skip would be moving through time. Also, it's not an outlier because both Jiren, Dyspo, and others were also shown moving in the time skip. As well as people surpassing or reacting to Infinte Zamasu who can spread his form through time. There's other examples as well.
They should get immeasarable speed
They should get immeasarable speed
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Lack of immeasurable/infinite speeds.
if you high ball it, Dyspo, goku and jiren would have it, plus goku moving in an erased timeline and being in a void with no space or time.
But all of them got rejected I believe unless someone can correct me
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It seems that most people agree with the notion that time skip is traveling through time. So if that's the case we have multiple people shown moving through it. Therefore having a multitude of examples of immeasarable speed. Saying theres a lack of examples seem like an arbitrary statment. Especially if you count the other examples besides the time skip ones.
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well ur gonna have to convince akm sama since he essentially controls every big db upgrade/downgrade thread
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Believe me, as much as I want, they can all say the examples are outliers, you need one character having multiple feats, not many characters doing one feat
[But I agree with you, but this is how it goes sadly]
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Bruh that's sounds so arduous 
. They're using the term outlier incorrectly, there's no contradictions and multiple examples. Plus saying one character needs multiple different feats is very pedantic. However, when it comes to goku, im pretty sure he does have multiple different examples. The time skip feat, saying timeskip won't work on him anymore in the rematch, having the reaction time to hang on to a time machine mid flight, and surpassing and reacting to Infinte zamasu who can travel through time via movement.
For now I'll wait until someone who actually disagrees wants to delineate their position though.
. They're using the term outlier incorrectly, there's no contradictions and multiple examples. Plus saying one character needs multiple different feats is very pedantic. However, when it comes to goku, im pretty sure he does have multiple different examples. The time skip feat, saying timeskip won't work on him anymore in the rematch, having the reaction time to hang on to a time machine mid flight, and surpassing and reacting to Infinte zamasu who can travel through time via movement.For now I'll wait until someone who actually disagrees wants to delineate their position though.
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The best argument they can do is "outlier this" "outlier that" I wouldn't be surprised this would get turned down, but I would be surprised if I see any actual decent response. So good lmaoBruh that's sounds so arduous
For now I'll wait until someone who actually disagrees wants to delineate their position though.
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I don't take outlier arguments seriously on this site, since there aren't any strict standards of what that even is.
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goku saw Vegeta's fight with hit and figured out how hits time skip works and predicted where hit was going to use it, he used ssjb kk X10 so he will be fast enough to resist the effects of time skip, if goku is significantly faster and stronger then the foe he can resist time powers
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He never resist the time skip in the first place because the ability never once used on him like what Hit did to Jiren and the Mafia Boss.
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a question heroes did not have their own feats that approach infinite speed
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If Goku was truly Immeasurable, then the time limit of the tournament of power would literally not matter to him, as he would be able to move forward or backward in time at will
However, Goku, and literally no one else in DB, can do feats such as this, so it contradicts Immeasurable Goku
However, Goku, and literally no one else in DB, can do feats such as this, so it contradicts Immeasurable Goku
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I mean considering how these characters are bare minimum hundreds to septillions of c. logically speaking the entire ToP should have been over in less than a second. I'm not particularly fond of the time limit argument tbh
Although Heroes could be more likely to have immeasurable with feats of flying to alternate timelines and points in time via flight
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^^^^^^
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im gonna say it: just because you’re fast enough to move through time doesn’t mean you have the capabilities or power to actually carry out the function or ability to do so.
with that logic Immeasurable speed characters would be moving through time every moment they use said speed.
with that logic Immeasurable speed characters would be moving through time every moment they use said speed.
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Pretty sure tine travel via sheer speed is just time travel nothing more
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Wasn't this already rejected
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None of the scenes in dragonball ever perfectly represent even ftl speeds. Furthermore, there's no reason that immeasurable speed characters can't just fight while time passes. Plus your statment is incorrect. In the TOP we see multiple people move through time at will to counter the time skip.
Well by default it would be defined as immeasurable speed. Since with movement they're doing an action that isn't measurable. Plus in dragonball's case, Hit reacted to people countering his timeskip. Which shows his fighting speed is on that level.
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