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Re:adding Resistance to Time Stop and Updating Hit's Range | Dragon Ball Super Revision

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Nullflowerblush said:
This is a bait, right? You're just trying to goof up the thread, aren't you?
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What I meant was that in many cases Hax can be resisted by sheer AP and not because of the character having resistance to it.
Anyway, I agree with goku having resistance to time stop/manip. Hit in his second fight withgoku said that he won't be using time skip on goku even though he did stopped time against that mafia boss. This is a clear indication that Goku resists time skip/stop.
 
Right after this scene hit confronted goku and goku told him to use his time skip ability and hit refused. This means that Hit believed Time Skip/Stop won't work on goku.
 
BetterThanYou said:
Right after this scene hit confronted goku and goku told him to use his time skip ability and hit refused. This means that Hit believed Time Skip/Stop won't work on goku.
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Just a statement with no feat and it could mean many things on context, and again even if this true, only Goku from ToP onward have resistance
 
Vietthai96 said:
Just a statement with no feat and it could mean many things on context, and again even if this true, only Goku from ToP onward have resistance
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The statement is backed up because in the entire fight hit didn't even try to use time skip or time stop on goku.
 
BetterThanYou said:
Right after this scene hit confronted goku and goku told him to use his time skip ability and hit refused. This means that Hit believed Time Skip/Stop won't work on goku.
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Hit: "This is goodbye."
Goku: "Your attack won't work on me anymore!"
Hit: "Do I look so charitable that I'd use Time-Skip on you again?"
Goku: "I see. Tryin' the same thing as before might be painful again, huh?"
Hit: "There'll be no pain."
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The clip is here.
Hit's response indicates that Hit is confident he could use Time-Skip on Goku, in spite of Goku's claims...
and then immediately after, he used the tides of time, a variation of time-skip.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
The clip is here.
Hit's response indicates that Hit is confident he could use Time-Skip on Goku, in spite of Goku's claims...
and then immediately after, he used the tides of time, a variation of time-skip.
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Here "Charitable" likely means that timeskip would be too easy for goku to counter if hit decides to use it.
Depend on the interpretation though.
Anyway, if U6 Arc goku can't get time resistance then at least TOP Goku should have it.
 
God900 said:
Nope, not only Ki exists in DB, Magic too, people seems to always forget that.
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Yea, but Magic is its own can of beans that has yet to be explained as "thoroughly" as Ki.

I put thoroughly in quotations, because there is still a lot about Ki that has been unexplained like how you can use it to create fire, ice, and electricity or how it ties into creating balls of light and radiation from the moon. But this is irrelevant.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Yea, but Magic is its own can of beans that has yet to be explained as "thoroughly" as Ki.

I put thoroughly in quotations, because there is still a lot about Ki that has been unexplained like how you can use it to create fire, ice, and electricity or how it ties into creating balls of light and radiation from the moon. But this is irrelevant.
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I have never seen anyone be able to create ice in canon DB, Dabura's fire thing is Magic based, just as his stone spit. And yeah, the electricity thing from Master Roshi and Zamasu is weird tho.
 
BetterThanYou said:
Hakai only works on people who are weaker than it. Moro's absorption only works on people who are slower than it. Did you see the pattern?
AP and speed>Hax. So lets remove all resistances from DB characters.
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Hakai was shown to be resisted simply for being stronger. Same goes for Hit's abilities

Moro's point is outright false though. SSG Vegeta was much stronger than Old Moro and he got drained easily

If AP and Speed > DB haxes, then it's a weakness of these haxes, not due to an actual resistance
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Hakai was shown to be resisted simply for being stronger. Same goes for Hit's abilities

Moro's point is outright false though. SSG Vegeta was much stronger than Old Moro and he got drained easily

If AP and Speed > DB haxes, then it's a weakness of these haxes, not due to an actual resistance
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Wouldn't Moro hax be an exception for power > hax thing?
 
Going over this it seems the main argument against this is just a fallacy of composition, just because some hax are overpowered by raw strength doesn’t mean all of them are.
 
Arcker123 said:
Going over this it seems the main argument against this is just a fallacy of composition, just because some hax are overpowered by raw strength doesn’t mean all of them are.
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While this is correct, Hit's haxes, which is what argued here, follows this rule of AP > hax
 
While I’m neutral on if it’s just a weakness of the ability or a resistance to the ability, I’m pretty sure it’s implied that Jiren was bypassing Hit’s abilities through pure strength

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Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Hakai was shown to be resisted simply for being stronger. Same goes for Hit's abilities

Moro's point is outright false though. SSG Vegeta was much stronger than Old Moro and he got drained easily

If AP and Speed > DB haxes, then it's a weakness of these haxes, not due to an actual resistance
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No you and this wiki treats hax as NFL. Dragon Ball doesn't.
 
BetterThanYou said:
No you and this wiki treats hax as NFL. Dragon Ball doesn't.
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So no proof then?

And also hax is literally an ability that ignore AP and allows characters to win regardless of AP (for example, Light Yagami can kill Goku just by writing his name on the Death Note, despite Light being a normal human otherwise).

It's just that in DB many of the haxes (I said many, not ALL) rely on AP so they don't work against stronger opponents. Characters don't normally resist hax for being stronger unless explicably said so, and this would imply that the hax has a weakness of failing against stronger opponents
 
Bernkastelll said:
Death Note only works in Humans
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Oh. Didn't knew that

Well it was just an example. You can just as well say that about any hax that ignores durability.

That said, Light CAN affect the U6 Mr. Satan from DBH I guess. He is still a human despite being 2-A

I just thought about Light first
 
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