Nah, just for overall inteligence, the things giving him EG are other stuff, those which you are refering were used for his "genius" rating upgrade
So should I note you down for possibly rating for EG
You can.
Not that I know of.
I think we do as well, because I’m personally not seeing how these feats are comparable in intellect to the general requirements for EG which are insanely high.
No only beerus and champa where said to be lazy what do you mean by no training they literally got g.o.d energy by training itself and they have also tried to achieve ui to not to mention beerus in manga was said to use sort of ui against his fight with the destroyers meaning in manga atleast he was trying to perfect it and Goku just adapted to ui in manga in just short frame of time
Doesn't Beerus says in the manga that UI is "against GoD nature" or something like that? remember it being a plot point for vegeta getting Ultra Ego
iirc he said that destroyers always think about destruction so they can't have a calm mind doesn't change the fact that he still tried to perfect ui not to mention Goku further developed his ui to a level that he can somewhat maintain it even while using his emotions tui
Like I said beerus used a form of ui against destroyers it means he was pursuing it not to mention the fact he would still have considerably more time than what Goku had again ui was stated to be unachievable by mortal standards as it is a divine technique yet Goku still managed to attain it in just 45 minutes
well, then them not mastering it would be a matter of their nature making it extra difficult for them, at least for the manga
Eh since Goku was able to make a version of ui that can use emotions in it which could be done by destroyers to again ui is something that is deemed impossible for mortals
well, that is he relying on a non mastered, weaker ultra instinct, so.....while i see what you are talking about, the nature of a saiyan wanting to feel the emotion of the fight vs a god of destruction who only thinks of destruction seems difficult to compare
yeah, not denying that part, just that a GoD's nature makes it inherently more difficult for them to achieve it, so that has to be taken into account
Stomping the collapse of the universe with skill is just “genius”?
i mean.....yeah, the way he did that was by matching Beerus' blow with the same force at just the right angle, which is very good skill feat
only once, that is the initial time skip and.....more or less the 0.2 seconds one, from the 0.5 one onwards he was completely incapable of doing anything against it whatsoever, that is until he used the Kaioken, but currently we accept that as a resistance to time skip + Immeasurable speed outlier rather than skill
says....who? it depends on the level of said "future" you are predicting, because basic level Analytical Prediction is just predicting the future, and that isn't genius, specially when done with merely 0.1/.2 seconds into the future, not even predicting a full seconds into the future and still having problems with it is.......really not as impressive as you making it out to be
Even then it would still need to scale to his skill. I saw someone say it’s was akin to teleportation which is incredibly wrong. Attacking from any point in the future and getting telegraphed would need a level of intuition that no “genius” would have. Even if it’s only 0.1 seconds which is a lot of time considering how fast DB characters move.
Imagine your fighting someone of relative skill. But they can see into the future the fight fight would be heavily in their favor. Now I’m hits case they take it a literal step further. As he’s physically going to the future so he can reposition himself in the most advantageous position. This for anyone with “basic analytical perception” would be a unwinable fight as the dude will always be one step ahead of you in the most literal way.
again, says who? Again, foreseeing what someone will do in 0.2 seconds into the future is not something any genius char can't do, are you just not aware of what analitical prediction is?
exept the story treats as just 0.1 seconds and all Goku does to counter it in block 1 blow each time, when it goes beyond Hit doing a singular blow Goku was helpless until he used Kaioken to get resistamce to Hit's stuff
Hit is relative to Goku in skill.......why exactly?
exept Hit's is not that at all in anyway
no, as one with analytical prediction will be able to....well, predict where Hit will attack next, predicting the future is the most basic requirement for analytical prediction, it isn't "advanced" in any "beyond the upper human limits" way
No, that is purely an outlier, there is no skill that would allow him to survive, much less dodge, the attacks of someone quite literally millions of times stronger than him, he wouldn't have time to even think, much less dodge
Yeah, that was Wolfman and Roshi outright calls him fodder while simultaneously not denying his skill.
Okay then name the genius character in question. I think you’re misunderstanding analytical skills for straight up precognition. Even going down the wiki’s definition they don’t even agree basic analytical perception can allow you to predict things yet to happen that’s relegated to the level of actual precognition which Goku can replicate through skill.
No this part is straight up untrue he literally does attack from the future. From his perspective the world has frozen it’s a side effect of the ability not the main function.
Idk why you keep banking on the “he was helpless” point you already seem to agree that Goku is predicting attacks from the future. And Goku literally verbatim stated that time skip won’t work on him anymore even though he can improve it. Which literally can only imply one of two things.
I was speaking hypothetically with the precognition example.
Literally literally not even a requirement lol IT’s described as just being able to notice small details in a fight or plan ahead with prep.
He literally preform the feat on screen for multiple minutes on or 1/3 the movies length how is this an outlier?
Yes it does, analytical prediction is predicting the future actions of your oponent, Goku is not doing anything near Divination, he is simply guessing what Hit will do next in the spam of 0.1 seconds into the future, it is unreliable to "look far ahead" into the future yes........exept, that isn't ehat Goku is doing, he is purely doing the basic "analyze and predict what ge will do next" prediction, which btw, he was only able to do purely because he saw how Hit moves when he fought Vegeta, again, he didn't do anything overly crazy, he just did an analytical prediction, that's all, he didn't perfectly saw far away into the future
Nope, he time travel to the future, that is quite literally said to be what he does
No, those 2 are contradictory displays that we choose to ignore in favot of being able to list the thing, it isn't a sub ability, it is the same ability, no matter how much the show tells us differently, that is how it is portrayed, we had like, 3 threads discussing how confusing and contradictory it is, can we not start that again?
have you saw the fight? Once Hit evolved to 0.5 times Goku was completely helpless until he used Kaioken to blitz Hit
He has reaistance to it, as we currently accept
Which is impossible because of the Time Stop, which is the main function, while also being said to not be a thing, only to be also said be the only thing it does......see the problem? Unless you make yet another thread to change it, we accept both time stop and time travel to be the main ability of the time skip at the same time, you can't say one is the "main one" in this site until you change what we accepted for it
Good luck with that
......i don't understand the example then, since it doesn't have anything to do to what either Goku not Hit did during the fight
predicting your oponent's future actions is a requirement of Analytical prediction yes......you denying it will not make what is written in the page change
Goku = Vegeta, SSJB Vegeta = SSJB Goku, Ikari Broly can survive and somewhat react to the attacks of SSJB Goku, SSJB = 8 Million x multiplier, so Ikari Broly = 8 Million x Base Goku
Against her he was innitially caught of guard, hence why he was innitially blitzed, when he started taking things seriously he was able to react somewhat and block her attacks, altho he was weaker, all that proves is that SSJG Goku is somewhat inferior to her, altho not by a big margin, plus the entire fight she was testing her power and not going all out, so it isn't a good example
goku can already adapt to people who are experts in that lose fields Granolah was a expert marksman who has literally X-Ray vision that can pinpoint vital from miles away. And find physiological weaknesses in a fighter and he got out matched by Goku. And he can use weaponry like the power pole to a expert level
It’s predicting future actions of your opponents in real time not predicting attacks coming from a different point in time that’s like saying a person scan react to getting attacked in the past it makes no sense. This point is going in circles
You just said what I said but okay.
Okay this is a nothing point you’re literally saying what I’m saying but wording it differently to make it sound new. The ability is quite simple he attacks from the future.
So you do agree with what I just said.
Considering there’s no resistance to time skip it must be skill not just a resistance.
Again there’s no resistance to time travel on the wiki which is the main point I’m trying to drive home with you. The ability it’s dead simple you’re over complicating it.
Not planning anything it’s just the literal only other interpretation.
I’m not the page talking in reference to predicting someone who is attacking in real time not someone who Is attack literally ahead in time. Your either misunderstanding this or purposely ignoring that fact. Considering in the paragraph above you acknowledge that hit is using time travel to attack. This would indicate the latter.
The DBS Broly LN verbatim references this moment and acknowledges it’s Goku fighting Broly with skill. Denying it won’t change the fact that it literally happened on screen.
Vados verbatim stated that him reacting to the shear gap in stats was skill based essentially since he was fatigued and off a previous fight.
Well in the EG page,
Goku performed the bolded several times without basic time skip, and post U6vU7 Goku could do it so well that the time skip didn't work on him anymore
How about possible eg since going by eg Goku was able to predict hit who was skipping into the future then there is the whole mui thing wouldn't a possibly rating work
. That's intuition any skilled/elite fighter should have. The non-fighter's intuition of that would be someone who understands basic physics and biomechanics. The scale being affected should have no bearing on the act itself.
If I am not wrong medeus disagrees cause he isn't sure about eg standards for combat and saman disagrees with notion of mui qualifying for itGrandpa Gohan's combat intelligence seems fine, but why do Medeus and Saman disagree with Extraordinary Genius combat intelligence for Goku?
Grandpa Gohan's combat intelligence seems fine, but why do Medeus and Saman disagree with Extraordinary Genius combat intelligence for Goku?
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