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Re:adding Resistance to Time Stop and Updating Hit's Range | Dragon Ball Super Revision

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Orange said:
It was stated he was using time skip, time stopped appeared later
wehave no reasons to assume it was time stop
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Anyway, the only option left is time travel, as Post Crisis Barry Alen (Flash) has It on his first key, where he is only MFTL+ but in Goku's case It would be limited, as he only skips a few seconds.
 
ArmBill said:
Unless I'm perceiving that page wrong. It says mftl and immeasarable via running through time overall.
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Thing that Goku can't do, as Goku can't travel through the future, past, or present via sheer speed, and Flash has It on his first key, which is only MFTL+, so Goku should have limited time travel.
 
God900 said:
Thing that Goku can't do, as Goku can't travel through the future, past, or present via sheer speed, and Flash has It on his first key, which is only MFTL+, so Goku should have limited time travel.
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That's irrelevant, traveling in any point in time is immeasarable speed. For Barry Allen post crisis, his speed looks like it means overall. The immeasarable part says whens he's running through time, which applies to all of the times he did.
 
But can you actually delinate how moving through time via movement isn't immeasarable speed? Citing a profile isn't much of an explanation.
 
Let's just play it safe and give goku's Precog upgrade and an explanation and also didn't he figure out how time skip works so let's give him info analysis too
 
ArmBill said:
But can you actually delinate how moving through time via movement isn't immeasarable speed? Citing a profile isn't much of an explanation.
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this may be a irrelevant point for you, but this will be rejected. No matter how much It hurts, this is what will happen.
This is an outlier, the same as Zeno not being able to see Dyspo.

If you consider Zeno's feat an outlier, then we can consider Goku's feat as an outlier too, as is contradicted when the presumibly "supreme being" can't see two mortals fight.

See this, infinite speed creates inconsintencies and generates Antifeats.
 
Rez said:
Let's just play it safe and give goku's Precog upgrade and an explanation and also didn't he figure out how time skip works so let's give him info analysis too
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How would a precog upgrade apply to Goku moving in a timeskip??
God900 said:
this may be a irrelevant point for you, but this will be rejected.
This is an outlier, the same as Zeno not being able to see Dyspo.

If you consider Zeno's feat an outlier, then we can consider Goku's feat as an outlier too, as is comtradicted when the presumibly "supreme being" can't see two mortales fight. See this, infinite speed creates inconsintencies and generates Antifeats.
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Just dosen't explains and calls it and outlier 💀. How is multiple people moving through a time skip an outlier??? It's not like this a one off thing. Outlier is the most arbitrary word used on this wiki.

The Zeno thing was actually contradicted later, it actually fits the outlier narrative. While the immeasarable speed has not.
 
ArmBill said:
How would a precog upgrade apply to Goku moving in a timeskip??

Just dosen't explains and calls it and outlier 💀. How is multiple people moving through a time skip an outlier??? It's not like this a one off thing. Outlier is the most arbitrary word used on this wiki.

The Zeno thing was actually contradicted later, it actually fits the outlier narrative. While the immeasarable speed has not.
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Yeah sure, T.O.P fighters being thousands of times above baseline infinite speed than Zeno's.....
 
God900 said:
Yeah sure, T.O.P fighters being thousends of times above baseline infinite speed than Zeno's.....
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ArmBill said:
The Zeno thing was actually contradicted later, it actually fits the outlier narrative. While the immeasarable speed has not.
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Zeno saw the jiren vs Mui, that's a literally contradiction to a previous statement. Where's the contradiction with immeasurable speed? There isn't one.
 
ArmBill said:
Zeno saw the jiren vs Mui, that's a literally contradiction to a previous statement. Where's the contradiction with immeasurable speed? There isn't one.
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Yeah, and Krilin, master Roshi and Tenshinhan were able to see the fight between UI omen Goku and Jiren too......
 
God900 said:
And Krilin, master Roshi and Tenshinhan were able to see the fight between UI omen Goku vs Jiren too......🤷🏽‍♂️ So outlier
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Is there a contradiction? If I could make stuff I didn't like non valid, I would make piccolo not universal. However, it dosen't work that. It just means it's an asspull.

Plus the term outlier can't be used in the same way as in mathematics. For example if goku blew up more mountains than planets, that dosen't make the planet busting feat non vallid. You would need to see if there's a contradiction.
 
ArmBill said:
Is there a contradiction? If I could make stuff I didn't like non valid, I would make piccolo not universal. However, it dosen't work that. It just means it's an asspull.

Plus the term outlier can't be used in the same way as in mathematics. For example if goku blew up more mountains than planets, that dosen't make the planet busting feat non vallid. You would need to see if there's a contradiction.
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Inmensurable reactions for Ten, Krilin and Roshi??, ok.......
 
God900 said:
Exactly, the same as Goku's inmensurable speed rating, there are too many inconsintencys in speed previous to that in the Next arcs....
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What are the inconsistencies????

God900 said:
Inmensurable reactions for Ten, Krilin and Roshi??, ok.......
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If it's contradicted later than it's def an outlier. However, it could just be a piccolo situation wheres it's a massive asspull.
 
There's a reason people hate the term "outlier"
ArmBill said:
Is there a contradiction? If I could make stuff I didn't like non valid, I would make piccolo not universal. However, it dosen't work that. It just means it's an asspull.

Plus the term outlier can't be used in the same way as in mathematics. For example if goku blew up more mountains than planets, that dosen't make the planet busting feat non vallid. You would need to see if there's a contradiction.
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I'm starting to hate the term "outlier" more than ever, I swear 🤣
 
God900 said:
That could give them inmensurable speed reactions by scaling, as they were able to somehow keep up with the fight of UI omen Goku and Jiren, and we know that UI Goku and Jiren's are leagues above SSBK X10 Goku
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It would be dumb ethier way, if it was immeasarable or mftl+.
 
Ok after rewatching the fight here's what I understood
At the beginning of the fight Goku was just predicting where Hit will time skip himself this is a pretty amazing feat for Precog upgrade

But later Hit kinds of alters his time stop as now he isn't just simply moving into the future but he is actually attacking Goku with in the time skip this is more like time stop than skip

Later on after Goku goes kaioken X10 he is capable of moving in Hit's time skip too so a resistance to time stop should be fine and you don't need immeasurable to move in stopped time infinte is good enough but I consider that too to be an outliner
 
Actually, people can sense things faster than them, but it doesn't mean they can move at speeds.
Remember gohan when he was unable to see yamcha fighting a saibaman but he used his ki sensing and was super fine reacting and understanding what's happening?
But eh
 
Rez said:
Ok after rewatching the fight here's what I understood
At the beginning of the fight Goku was just predicting where Hit will time skip himself this is a pretty amazing feat for Precog upgrade

But later Hit kinds of alters his time stop as now he isn't just simply moving into the future but he is actually attacking Goku with in the time skip this is more like time stop than skip

Later on after Goku goes kaioken X10 he is capable of moving in Hit's time skip too so a resistance to time stop should be fine and you don't need immeasurable to move in stopped time infinte is good enough but I consider that too to be an outliner
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I hope this helps somehow
 
God900 said:
No, the infinite speed would render later speed feats absurd, literally.
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No, we don't scale Tien to MFTL+, why would we scale him to Immeasurable? Those are outliers ONLY FOR HIM, ROSHI AND KRILIN and co.

Only who truly is on the level of Goku would scale and those 3 definitely don't.
 
if dbs goku gets immeasurable speed he'd unironically would be one of the fastest immeasurable speed beings on this site
 
God900 said:
Exactly, but is dumber to assume that It would give them inmensurable speed reactions
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There isn't an assumption though. The evidence shows others with immeasurable. An asspull wouldn't negate others feats.

@Rez I do agree with notion that goku's prediction skills were good. However I don't agree with time skip being time stop. Vados specifically said time skip wasn't time stop. In the U6 arc they mentioned that the name of his attack is time skip. Hit moving in the time skip dosen't change this fact.
 
sanicspood said:
if dbs goku gets immeasurable speed he'd unironically would be one of the fastest immeasurable speed beings on this site
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I wonder what Heroes would potentially get though, many characters scale above Hit (it doesn't mean anything but still) and similar feats exist there
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
No, we don't scale Tien to MFTL+, why would we scale him to Immeasurable? Those are outliers ONLY FOR HIM, ROSHI AND KRILIN
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No, as what I mean is that if Goku gets a speed type, and other characters are able to see him, then I don't see why It can't be applied. What I mean is, that Infinite speed, would give most characters in the show Inmensurable speed, are you concerned how ridiculous is It??? Jaco would have blatant infinite speed reactions, the same as the majority of the characters, such as Piccolo, No.18, Goten, Trunks, etc....., simply becouse they should scale above them, It would ruin all the scaling.

Don't you recognize that IS ABSURDLY INSANE!....
 
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