"Smurfing through time" A Dragon Ball Super upgrade

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Hit storing time and then using it for timestop wouldn't automatically involve controlling the hypertimeline, since that would mean he's controlling three different temporal axis (A, B and the governing C body).

Without reading any additional comments and just the OP, I would assume it'd just be choice B rather than some 5D Smurf thing.

So the B choice would be that the neutral dimension has its own time dimension? Is that what i understood?

 

[ChoursDropoff]

His Time Dimension is referred to specifically as "Parallel World," which is specifically used for Higher Order Timelines that Trunks and the gang travel through. So that's a legitimately valid explanaton to the phenomena, actually. Though it would mean he wouldn't be able to gather any new time for his Dimension, which isn't indicated anywhere.

Hits time skip works on the premises he’s he’s farther ahead in time than everyone else. It means I literally requires there to be time present. Because you can’t time skip without you know time. And if we go with that interpretation the hax would still be a Smurf because IT’s being compared to the same timelines as the ones the cast time travels through.!

We've went over this in a different thread but this doesn't mean anything because it legitimately makes no sense whatsoever. Time Skip as an ability is simply so internally inconsistent that this testimony, while valid for supportive evidence, can't be utilized/indicative of any major changes because it's supporting a contradictory set of information.

Not really the ability is pretty simple he just moves ahead in time. That’s the main point of it. There’s no need to over complicate it to make it seem inconsistent.

 

[RoninSlayer200]

(this CRT has been derailed for too long please let this fossil thread have a conclusion)

anyways my opinion doesn't matter but i am going for option 1

i do not see any reason why there would be an extra temporal dimension for Hit's hax to work while he can already just manipulate the existing temporal dimension in neutral space

 

[TiltedFN]

Hit storing time and then using it for timestop wouldn't automatically involve controlling the hypertimeline, since that would mean he's controlling three different temporal axis (A, B and the governing C body).

Without reading any additional comments and just the OP, I would assume it'd just be choice B rather than some 5D Smurf thing.

Well option 2 is fine but this is wrong, he stores time to make his alternate dimensions, he did not do that before the fight with goku, so he had to off been controlling the temporal axis of the hypertimeline in his fight with goku. Hit has multiple abilities.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Hit storing time and then using it for timestop wouldn't automatically involve controlling the hypertimeline, since that would mean he's controlling three different temporal axis (A, B and the governing C body).

Without reading any additional comments and just the OP, I would assume it'd just be choice B rather than some 5D Smurf thing.

So you agree with neutral space having its own temporal dimension

Also minor correction his has two abilities basically inorder to store time he needs to skip time then he creates anothe pocket reality they are two separate abilities

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Hit storing time and then using it for timestop wouldn't automatically involve controlling the hypertimeline, since that would mean he's controlling three different temporal axis (A, B and the governing C body).

Without reading any additional comments and just the OP, I would assume it'd just be choice B rather than some 5D Smurf thing.

@Everything12 @Antvasima would you be willing to reevaluate based on Qaws' comment?

For Killer; you can put me now for option B

 

[Killerdrone123]

@Everything12 @Antvasima would you be willing to reevaluate based on Qaws' comment?

For Killer; you can put me now for option B

I see thanks

 

[Ryzen7900X]

This is gonna sound stupid but in light of @Qawsedf234's explanation i switch back to option 2 as well

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Ah, right, DDM had evaluated this before and chose option B. In light of that, based on the length of this thread (it do be old), I think it can be considered accepted.

However, to be kept in mind, an Admin can override my decision as explained here:

Although the evaluation of each staff member carries equal weight, the final decision regarding the approval of a content revision may be influenced by other factors such as the expertise and knowledge of the staff members involved, the complexity and controversy of the revision, and the popularity or prominence of the affected series verse. In terms of decision-making authority, bureaucrats are given the highest consideration, followed by administrators, and then thread moderators.

So don't blame me if this gets revisited

I will leave the thread opened for the next 24 hours, but will be deleting derailment. If you want to discuss further things, go to the discussion thread. Thanks.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So the B choice would be that the neutral dimension has its own time dimension? Is that what i understood?

For a hypertimeline you have this image. One axis going one direction and one (or more) going in a different perpendicular direction. Like with geometric dimensions, by having two of them intersect, you need a third governing axis, which is the hyper part of the hyper-timeline. Like how to store an Aleph-1 amount of 2D planes in a single object you need an infinite 3D cube.

he did not do that before the fight with goku, so he had to off been controlling the temporal axis of the hypertimeline in his fight with goku. Hit has multiple abilities.

Like I said, controlling the hyper-timeline is not needed unless he's controlling all temporal axis for the Multiverse at once. He would just be controlling that singular temporal axis for the in-between space. If you want a more goofy comparison, using the previous image the most he'd do is control sideways time rather than forwards time in that instance.

So you agree with neutral space having its own temporal dimension

It has an element of time, but it doesn't have a separate temporal dimension. His time still goes front-back (or sideways I guess), which is on the same axis as normal time, just with different rates.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

For a hypertimeline you have this image. One axis going one direction and one (or more) going in a different perpendicular direction. Like with geometric dimensions, by having two of them intersect, you need a third governing axis, which is the hyper part of the hyper-timeline. Like how to store an Aleph-1 amount of 2D planes in a single object you need an infinite 3D cube.

Like I said, controlling the hyper-timeline is not needed unless he's controlling all temporal axis for the Multiverse at once. He would just be controlling that singular temporal axis for the in-between space. If you want a more goofy comparison, using the previous image the most he'd do is control sideways time rather than forwards time in that instance.

It has an element of time, but it doesn't have a separate temporal dimension. His time still goes front-back (or sideways I guess), which is on the same axis as normal time, just with different rates.

Thank you very much for the explanation, although i still don't understand anything

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Summary: No DB 6D, it's still 5D and the Hit skill is still 4-D...I guess?

 

[Antvasima]

@Everything12 @Antvasima would you be willing to reevaluate based on Qaws' comment?

For Killer; you can put me now for option B

I also think that Qawsedf234 seems to make sense here.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I also think that Qawsedf234 seems to make sense here.

Thank you. I feel more safe considering Option B fully accepted then.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Thank you very much for the explanation, although i still don't understand anything

Here's a hastily made MS Paint image if that's easier to imagine:

 

[RedReaper616]

Hit Dimensione is a new ability that Hit got after the fight in neutral space against Goku.

since he didn't have it until the rematch against Goku.

I totally forgot about this.

In my opinion this makes the entire CRT invalid, then. Because Hit's ability to store time/skip time in the way that would cause an upgrade is specifically a Time Skip offshoot he simply didn't have. as his only power was the basic timeskip he used in that fight.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Here's a hastily made MS Paint image if that's easier to imagine:

Oh yeah, this serves as even more evidence for the timeline, right? Because since it has another different time axis then we are safe from downgrade, i thought neutral zone was becoming 5D

 

[Killerdrone123]

Here's a hastily made MS Paint image if that's easier to imagine:

So tell me would this inbetween axis would be considered a greater time axis for containing lower time axis/dimension of macrocosms

 

[Everything12]

Put me down for agreeing with Qawsedf234

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Put me down for agreeing with Qawsedf234

Thank you.

 

[Qawsedf234]

inbetween axis would be considered a greater time axis for containing lower time axis/dimension of macrocosms

No. The In-Between Axis is a sideways level of time perpendicular to the Macrocosms. Its why you can destroy Universe 7 and its temporal origin without wrecking the others.

The Greater Timeline is the multiverse that suspends everything at once. Or the timeline related to the Time Rings.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

So the only change we’d need to make is editing some of the DBH profiles that mention “5-D hypertimeline” to “6-D hypertimeline,” and maybe update the explanation blog?

Or even list Zeno’s new dimensionality (6-D) in his profile in addition to his Low 1-C rating?

 

[Ryzen7900X]

So the only change we’d need to make is editing some of the DBH profiles that mention “5-D hypertimeline” to “6-D hypertimeline,” and maybe update the explanation blog?

Or even list Zeno’s new dimensionality (6-D) in his profile in addition to his Low 1-C rating?

no i dont think that's what @Qawsedf234 is saying

 

[Qawsedf234]

no i dont think that's what @Qawsedf234 is saying

It is not

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

So the only change we’d need to make is editing some of the DBH profiles that mention “5-D hypertimeline” to “6-D hypertimeline,” and maybe update the explanation blog?

Or even list Zeno’s new dimensionality (6-D) in his profile in addition to his Low 1-C rating?

No, the neutral space is just extra evidence for the current ratings. Refer to the model above. The axis of the macrocosm and neutral space are perpendicular, but the greater time flow is the plane that holds these axises.

 

[Shamangel]

Qawsedf 234's comment convinced me, I see the 2nd option more suitable...

 

[DivineAura44]

Little bro wanted 6-D DBS but didn't have 6-D DBS money. Supporting evidence it is then champ.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Little bro wanted 6-D DBS but didn't have 6-D DBS money. Supporting evidence it is then champ.

Supporting evidence for Low 1-C, is way better than a shaky upgrade

 

[Jaakor48]

No, the neutral space is just extra evidence for the current ratings. Refer to the model above. The axis of the macrocosm and neutral space are perpendicular, but the greater time flow is the plane that holds these axises.

I just have one question, the Neutral space contains and holds the macrocosms, all of them, if it has its own time axis, would it not also result in an aleph-1 copy of the macrocosms as well?

 

[TiltedFN]

I just have one question, the Neutral space contains and holds the macrocosms, all of them, if it has its own time axis, would it not also result in an aleph-1 copy of the macrocosms as well?

Nah, its just perpendicular to the macrocosms time axis. It doesn't embed them.

 

[Jaakor48]

Nah, its just perpendicular to the macrocosms time axis. It doesn't embed them.

So what would be the vsbattle tier for the neutral zone? Still 2C right? How are spaces that contains low multiverses tiered here?

 

[Killerdrone123]

So what would be the vsbattle tier for the neutral zone? Still 2C right? How are spaces that contains low multiverses tiered here?

Yep still 2c this just gave additional and more solid proof for low 1c timelines proving the existence of a perpendicular axis

 

[Jaakor48]

Yep still 2c this just gave additional and more solid proof for low 1c timelines proving the existence of a perpendicular axis

Ok then

So, basically, sideways time requirement has also been fulfilled? Never thought I'd see that

 

[Deleted member 40688]

Lowkey more proof for low 1C is better than the two proposals. Me thinks

This thread should be closed?!?

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Lowkey more proof for low 1C is better than the two proposals. Me thinks

This thread should be closed?!?

i think 24 hours need to pass in case other staff wanna add or suggest something but its pretty much done yeah

low 1-C dragon ball is now pretty solidly locked for the most part

 

[DivineAura44]

Do we even have enough staff that agreed with Option 2?
Edit: Yeah seems like it.

 

[TiltedFN]

So what would be the vsbattle tier for the neutral zone? Still 2C right? How are spaces that contains low multiverses tiered here?

Yeah it's 2-C, but insignificant 5-D.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

think this can be closed now

 

[Antvasima]

I think that the accepted revisions should be properly applied first.

 

[LordDestroit10K]

I think that the accepted revisions should be properly applied first.

Agree. Since this is more evidence for low 1-C hypertimeline, it should be added to that @ProfectusInfinity blog.