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except every time they are used, it is either 1 or the other, it quite literally can't be doing both at the same time else all the times it is used makes no senseI feel like we’re just going to have to agree to disagree, because I don’t see how treating them as mutually exclusive when they’re used simultaneously and interchangeably makes more sense than simply treating them as simultaneous and interchangeable.
.......that's the point, so you can't ignore it eitherVados one statement (and Whis) don’t overwrite everything else. They simply stand evenly.
no, feat wise they are also mutually exclusive, must i remind you of Goku clearly moving during it in the very first arc the move is ever used and introduced?Which is part of the point I’m making. They’re treated in a way where they’re mutually exclusive statement wise, but feat wise they’re interchangeable, and status wise we know they’re meant to be the same.
they literally stand around and have time to have a whole conversation, 0.5 seconds is not enough time for that, you would really need make a big stretch to say they are only standing for fractions of seconds, specially for the Mob Boss' perspectiveThe Mob Boss scene doesn’t have a stated amount of time used in verse, so I dunno what you mean here.
that is a fair point......that is, if we assume that the thing used is the Time Skip in that scene, even tho all of his techniques, even the ones hard confirmed to not be the Time Skip have that effect as wellHit’s Time Skip also flat out increases in length as he improves his technique, so it’s not an inconsistency (as the amount of time it uses isn’t stated after U6VU7).
that would only be contradictory to that scene if you can prove that he is using the Time Skip in said scene, for the other moments where he stops time? sure, this one? nah, this one has nothing on being a Time Skip moment, use literally any other moment where he stops time confirmed with the Time Skip and no problem, this one has 0 reasons to be one of those timesWhich is contradicted later. That’s the point. Her testimony is equal. Thus you can’t use it to overwrite anything else. It just must also be simultaneously true with contradictory, but also true, statements. That’s all.
except that he very clearly isn't stopping time in several scenes, and the logical problem with stopping time while also going to the future that i pointed out some posts ago, if the time flow is stopped, "time" is stuck at the present, there wouldn't be a future for him to travel to at all, it being both at the same time just.....breaks the logic even moreWhich is why the result of saying “one of the other” makes no sense, because they’re all supposed to be the same thing, as we’ve BOTH noted. (There’s no on screen distinction between Hit’s freezes and travels in U7 V U6 or ToP, they’re treated the same despite being totally different). It’s objectively both, despite the contradictory statements.
except that by mere logic and showings it CAN'T DO BOTH, it is logically impossible for it to do both unless you just ignore all uses of it we ever hadSo index it as that exactly. It does fully both, no “or,” and write on the note: “The inconsistency of Dragon Ball Super has lead to this conclusion due to the various statements, feats, etc. of Time Skip.”
if you ignore the statements then........you would need to ignore Vados' "he is time traveling" statement......which creates a whole lot of other problems regarding the thingNo, I’m trying to say that there ARE contradictions. That is what the NOTE IS FOR. EXPLAINING THEM. Noting how we’re ignoring them because they create logical impossibilities/incompatibility,
except that considering it both is EQUALLY A CONTRADICTION, a big logical impossibility at thatand index it as it is based on the information we have whilst discounting what we know is wrong. (Which in itself is the mutually exclusive statements, because they ARE A CONTRADICTION.)