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One Piece: Wano Arc Part 2.5: AP and Lifting Revisions; The Shogun
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It was, actually.
Majority of clouds disappear and it intantly tilts and leans on the remaining ones on the left side
Then Momo holds it back upright again right after
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... so you are confirming it was tilting rather than directly falling.It was, actually.
Majority of clouds disappear and it intantly tilts and leans on the remaining ones on the left side
Then Momo holds it back upright again right after
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Yes, because there were still Kaido clouds holding it up. That's the only reason it didn't fall. The clouds are never even in contact with the island, it's more telekinetic than anything almost. The island got pulled in by the smaller clouds because they weren't going to allow it to fall, because that wasn't Kaido's intention.
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Nevermind even that. Fire Kaido above it is "tilted" as well. It's an awkward angle than anything.Majority of clouds disappear and it intantly tilts and leans on the remaining ones on the left side
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Because he's not fighting Kaidou's flame clouds when he's accelerating the island, yet he had to fight them to move them upwards.
It wasn't tilting at all. It was just on a weird angle to where it looks like it tilted.
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Incidentally, Onigashima tilting was felt by everyone inside the island, which makes Tempest's assumption of the island falling at 41,000 m/s even more ludicrous considering that even a small tilt can cause that amount of chaos and rattle absolutely everything there, making them lose their balance.
So one of my previous points still stands, the island moving at 41,000 m/s would crash everyone up, as even a small tilt can make them fall.
So one of my previous points still stands, the island moving at 41,000 m/s would crash everyone up, as even a small tilt can make them fall.
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That's what I'm saying though?
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That's not even the tilting doing that. The water is washing everyone along. That's why live floor people are standing upright just fineIncidentally, Onigashima tilting was felt by everyone inside the island, which makes Tempest's assumption of the island falling at 41,000 m/s even more ludicrous considering that even a small tilt can cause that amount of chaos and rattle absolutely everything there, making them lose their balance.
So one of my previous points still stands, the island moving at 41,000 m/s would crash everyone up, as even a small tilt can make them fall.
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This is an entirely different scenario.Incidentally, Onigashima tilting was felt by everyone inside the island, which makes Tempest's assumption of the island falling at 41,000 m/s even more ludicrous considering that even a small tilt can cause that amount of chaos and rattle absolutely everything there, making them lose their balance.
So one of my previous points still stands, the island moving at 41,000 m/s would crash everyone up, as even a small tilt can make them fall.
They were flushing out Onigashima with water, which was flushing people.
And then they asked "does it feel like the island's falling?"
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Me also after reading the arguments
It makes sense for them to survive things because It happened a lot of time on one piece
The whole verse is reality breaking that's the gig
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I wouldn't base this entire thing on "they're built different".
The water could've mitigated the impact on the people inside, since there was water when they were falling.
Momonosuke's clouds could've stopped it, WHICH IS WHY THE ISLAND DIDN'T EVEN CRACK WHEN IT HIT THE GROUND.
Nobody in the Flower Capital heard the drop.
The explosives didn't explode.
And much more
The speed is implied to be fast
The drop happened before Luffy could transform back
The lanterns didn't cover too much distance
The water could've mitigated the impact on the people inside, since there was water when they were falling.
Momonosuke's clouds could've stopped it, WHICH IS WHY THE ISLAND DIDN'T EVEN CRACK WHEN IT HIT THE GROUND.
Nobody in the Flower Capital heard the drop.
The explosives didn't explode.
And much more
The speed is implied to be fast
The drop happened before Luffy could transform back
The lanterns didn't cover too much distance
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In chapter 1047, we can see the castle visible tilting to the left side and people losing their balance, falling and struggling to stay up.
And this is what alerts them that the island is about to fall.
In the panels I posted previously we can see that the castle is indeed tilted to the left side.
And this is what alerts them that the island is about to fall.
In the panels I posted previously we can see that the castle is indeed tilted to the left side.
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This caught my attention actually-
Seeing how thick those clouds are, it wouldn't be outlandish to say it landed on the clouds that absorbed the impact regardless of speeds.
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Not 10 seconds fast, I need to remind you that if this scene was animated it wouldn't be moving at 41,100 m/s because it would look terrible and physically impossible to land the island at such a high speed similar to a meteor, just to not cause any impact.
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We don't know that Luffy started de-transforming right away.
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In chapter 1047, we can see the island straight.In chapter 1047, we can see the castle visible tilting to the left side and people losing their balance, falling and struggling to stay up.
And this is what alerts them that the island is about to fall.
In the panels I posted previously we can see that the castle is indeed tilted to the left side.
And no, they aren't losing their balance and falling because of the tower. They're doing that because they just got out of a battle.
Literally the page after your scan everyone stands up regularly.
If that counts as tilted, then it's been tilted for the whole arc I guess.
You seem to forget that Kaidou has been moving this island at hypersonic speeds up and down for the past hour and they could still stand regularly.
Literally the only time they felt anything from the island itself is when Kaidou ripped it out of the ground and into the air.
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You think he was in the air relaxing or something?
Luffy just used his strongest move and is exhausted.
I'd need proof that Luffy was just casually unconsciously freefalling.
Especially when Luffy is moving downwards in G5th, his hair is still in the direction that represents the north of his body, yet it was in a different direction when he was falling this time, insinuating that he's transforming
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This reminds of Luffy and Kaidou having a 2~ petaton feat that was put on hold until the anime scene comes out.
And I think this case is no different, we should wait for the anime to actually show how fast Onigashima was falling, since 41,100 m/s makes no sense with the narrative nor with the physics of the scene (animating the island falling like a comet only to touch the ground like a feather would be nonsensical, but that's what Tempest calc assumes).
And I think this case is no different, we should wait for the anime to actually show how fast Onigashima was falling, since 41,100 m/s makes no sense with the narrative nor with the physics of the scene (animating the island falling like a comet only to touch the ground like a feather would be nonsensical, but that's what Tempest calc assumes).
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Considering the pace of the anime, I don't mind waiting. Won't take too long for it to be cleared up.
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You know even with the regular earth gravity 5 minute freefall speed they'd move at 2000 m/s, which by physics would still kill everyone right?
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And if the anime somehow follows the stretched out timeframe, most it'll be is like 5 minutes
This feat slaps physics in the face because of the flame clouds
You guys keep saying "everyone should've died"
And when I bring out an explanation for why nobody died, it gets dodged
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That's the thing- everyone would die regardless. I haven't seen a single rebuttal against it because Momo's feat is breaking physics regardless here
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Manga has fast timeframes
y'all: Wait for the anime
Anime has changes and Inconsistencies due to TOEI Improv
y'all: Anime is not Canon, it can't be used.
old scenario to hinder progress.
y'all: Wait for the anime
Anime has changes and Inconsistencies due to TOEI Improv
y'all: Anime is not Canon, it can't be used.
old scenario to hinder progress.
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People said wait for the anime for like 4 different feats so far
We’ve passed them and never spoke on them
We’ve passed them and never spoke on them
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No I just read the OP cause I had to leave for work
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Well, maybe we should if they give any meaningful change.
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I'm so far behind on One Piece it's not even funny. They still on Wano still?
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The average episode would be 20 minutes long.
If this event was stretched to 20 minutes, this island would drop at
410825.38888889/(20x60) = 342.354490741 m/s
So it would literally fall at the speed of sound.
Causing the same exact issue of physics and this thing would drop with a large island level yield, killing everyone there again, destroying the ground, notifying everyone in wano that a big ass rock just fell.
Like even if we wait for the anime, you'd need a ridiculously slow speed for something to contradict this
Wano deadass just ended
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Ah okay. Last time I kept up with One Piece was 2 years ago. I caught up with where the dub was at that point and have waited to catch up again.
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This was actually a really good argument lol.
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Except he indeed was dozens of kilometers above Onigashima.
Falling at 342.354490741 would make it look like it's falling in slow motion.
It wouldn't do much to the island because it has so much area to disperse the impact of the attack.
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Waiting for the anime is standard procedure, and One Piece is always airing, it's not gonna take long for it to reach this scene.
I remind you that we have just applied a 6-A upgrade after waiting for years.
If you think there are calcs that could be benefit using the anime, we can go ahead with that.
I remind you that we have just applied a 6-A upgrade after waiting for years.
If you think there are calcs that could be benefit using the anime, we can go ahead with that.
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The anime is notorious for padding things out. Remember Luffy’s KKG against Doflamingo? The manga should be enough to work this out.
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Waiting for the anime was never standard procedure.
Literally the anime wasn't even allowed to be used for the verse at all until last year.
Also, these dudes adapt like a chapter every 2 episodes. This is gonna take at least a year until we even get to the fight.
I never understood waiting for secondary canon to show something as support. That's like me waiting for a databook to confirm the height of a character before I pixelscale em for a feat.
Which was completely disconnected from the anime 10000000%, and the method for that calc isn't even half a year old.
Not a single one that hasn't been tackled.
Before last year, "anime isn't canon. we can't use it for support. it varies too much. just wait until oda tackles it"
Now its "wait for anime".
Oh brother
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