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So funny.
Kong gun compression make his fist fold in, the when decompression Begin when the fist come out, look at the shockwave.
Literally same shit is happen with Bajrang Gun compression and decompression.
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One Piece: Wano Arc Part 2.5: AP and Lifting Revisions; The Shogun
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Kong gun compression make his fist fold in, the when decompression Begin when the fist come out, look at the shockwave.
Literally same shit is happen with Bajrang Gun compression and decompression.
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Can yall wait for King to respond?
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The shockwave is from the impact with the target... if what you are saying is true then flamingo wouldn't just be suspended after getting punched and then he gets sent flying moments after. That would mean he actually tanked the impact momentarily which doesn't make sense.
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I think this has gotten a little off-topic from the actual OP.
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I don't think so, my argument is for the timeframe suggestion.
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Reading through it all, basically--
The island landed
Kaido went dozens of kilometers underground
Kaido goes even deeper, hits the magma but we DOn'T see the impact, just him floating, implying he's been there for at least a bit
Yamato had the time to exit the island and RUN a distance
And Luffy was still falling the whole time with a visible shockwave around him (so it wasn't a slow float either). It's not like he was stationary post-punch as we see him upside down and descending when Momo's resting on the ground already
Either:
Luffy was dozens of kilometers in the air to a contradictory extent to what's been shown consistently
Onigashima descended quick enough, plain and simple. Physics don't matter because Skypieans didn't turn to soup when they got hit by the knock up stream either.
The island landed
Kaido went dozens of kilometers underground
Kaido goes even deeper, hits the magma but we DOn'T see the impact, just him floating, implying he's been there for at least a bit
Yamato had the time to exit the island and RUN a distance
And Luffy was still falling the whole time with a visible shockwave around him (so it wasn't a slow float either). It's not like he was stationary post-punch as we see him upside down and descending when Momo's resting on the ground already
Either:
Luffy was dozens of kilometers in the air to a contradictory extent to what's been shown consistently
Onigashima descended quick enough, plain and simple. Physics don't matter because Skypieans didn't turn to soup when they got hit by the knock up stream either.
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Amazing point about the skypieans
People in one piece are built different and the average fodder in wano should be atleast above spandam
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That blatantly isn't true.
The island had no steam at all.
That was the flame cloud, and the island has already been on the ground for a significant amount of time
1049* when Onigashima landed is when we first see him, and Yamato had enough time to settle, then run out of the island, and still saw him
And by the time Yamato got out of Onigashima, he was still far in the air
And you seem to forget that Onigashima would've followed the same "minutes to fall after the island" when it's clear the freefall timeframe is not that long inverse
The shockwave of the clash still existing or the shockwave of Luffy still existing is amazing proof of that
Yeah. Downwards, when it would be easier doing that instead of moving it in a straight line in a drastically superior distance.
It took Kaidou to move Onigashima to the capital for like an hour, and the remaining distance was 5 minutes. After that distance, it only took 5 more minutes.
Kaidou already covered most of the distance. All he'd need to do is drop it. Momonosuke handled that "drop".
What does this have to do with Momonosuke moving a much lighter island in an easier motion?
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The island literally was falling. Momo produced the clouds and rushed to the ground, then passed out.
You act as if Momonosuke was casually gliding down
Who said he's trying to land it as slow as possible?
He's trying to land it immediately so these dudes don't keep hanging in the air.
You literally just made a calc of them moving Onigashima almost Mach 10 and nobody was harmed from that + nobody moved, but moving it downwards a much farther distance in a quick timeframe is where you draw the line?
You're asking me as if I know Oda's thought process
The island would've dropped regularly and fell. Momonosuke held the island and stopped its impact, which is why they didn't even hear Onigashima hit the ground.
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Didn't Yamato quite literally say even at a 5 minutes distance Onigashima crashing would have killed everyone AND destroyed the flower capital? That was about to hit the ground like a meteor anyway because even at a great distance it was about to destroy everything up to the capital
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Onigashima plummeting straight downwards 410 kilometers in 10 seconds would have been absolutely devastating and doesn't seem likely since it would be falling too fast and we've no reason to think that Momonosuke is accelerating it towards the ground. I can't see the whole thing reaching the ground that quickly, though maybe the animated version of the feat would clarify it.
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I brought this up in the OP, which everyone seems to ignore.
It's like it's ignored unless it says "yeah Momo dropping it is wrong"
The intention of Momonosuke's flame clouds were to stop that force.
If the island fell, then the bombs would've been set off, the island would've broke, and people would've died.
Momonosuke being the one to descend the island means that that wouldn't happen because of the flame clouds' properties
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I don't think that this quite works.
Momonosuke isn't scaling to the entire force of Kaidou's flame clouds there; only the horizontal movement. Kaidou's flame clouds aren't just working to move the island along horizontally but also to keep it up in the air.
So Momonosuke countering the flame clouds carrying the island in a certain direction =/= Momonosuke's dragon form is comparable to the total potency of Kaidou's flame clouds.
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Not this again. This is blatantly not the case.
The clouds output its force in 1 direction, Momonosuke outputs it in the other direction. This isn't a direction issue, it's a force issue. So lets stop with the "I don't
And on top of that, Momonosuke was stopping its fall as well. He was stopping it from dropping. So he was stopping it in 2 directions, the same 2 directions.
Kaidou's flame clouds aren't working to keep it in the air towards the end. As it stood they were ready to drop, which Momonosuke was countering with all his force.
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I'm sorry to have to disagree but I must if something about it doesn't seem right. You can't stop something falling just by pulling it horitontally - and there were times during the final battle between Kaido and Luffy where Momonosuke was no longer pulling on Onigashima yet it wasn't falling once he let go of it.
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Who said he was only pulling it Horizontally?
Did you not see where he said "I can't allow it to fall"???
He was doing both.
It was falling.
In a diagonal motion.
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2 things I wanna add.
This page very blatantly shows Onigashima already on the floor and Momo flopping WHILE the lanterns are flying. Luffy only starts falling afterwards.
We don't know their speed, yes- but it didn't take longer than a minute for the highest lantern to be this high. BEFORE we even see Luffy beginning to fall.
Fast af balloon lanterns and a fast af descending island. Nothing in this verse makes sense if you try and apply logic.
This page very blatantly shows Onigashima already on the floor and Momo flopping WHILE the lanterns are flying. Luffy only starts falling afterwards.
We don't know their speed, yes- but it didn't take longer than a minute for the highest lantern to be this high. BEFORE we even see Luffy beginning to fall.
Fast af balloon lanterns and a fast af descending island. Nothing in this verse makes sense if you try and apply logic.
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Bro
Luffy is still in Gear 5th when he's falling in that panel. We know damn well Luffy's transformation from G5th to base is quick.
So if anything that is extra proof that the fall was fast, if it landed before Luffy could turn back to base
Luffy is still in Gear 5th when he's falling in that panel. We know damn well Luffy's transformation from G5th to base is quick.
So if anything that is extra proof that the fall was fast, if it landed before Luffy could turn back to base
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It was ridiculously fast even when he was conscious. (3 panels? 2?) When he's falling there he's already KO'D too, so it should be even quicker.
Onigashima landed faster than Luffy could de-transform. Faster than apparently hypersonic lanterns. Faster than Kaido, who got hit so fast he went FTE, could hit the magma chamber-
Literally the only reason it doesn't make sense is real life physics, which considering what verse this is.. Yeah-
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the calculation is fine.
it's the science and reasoning behind it making sense for this feat which is an issue.
it's the science and reasoning behind it making sense for this feat which is an issue.
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As I said before, I don't care where Luffy was during the fall of Onigashima, he was above the island a few dozens of kilometers and he could take even minutes to fall after it.
The fact that we can hear people cheering and laughing while Onigashima is still on the sky falling debunks this meteoric speed, and not to mention we can see shunks of the Onigashima falling off faster than the island itself.
Unless you think civilians in One Piece can laugh at Massively Hypersonic speeds, the calc is nonsensical and a terrible way to measure Momo's power.
@KLOL506 Any opinions on this? These people are willingly to throw logic and narrative out of the window just to get a High 6-A feat.
The fact that we can hear people cheering and laughing while Onigashima is still on the sky falling debunks this meteoric speed, and not to mention we can see shunks of the Onigashima falling off faster than the island itself.
Unless you think civilians in One Piece can laugh at Massively Hypersonic speeds, the calc is nonsensical and a terrible way to measure Momo's power.
@KLOL506 Any opinions on this? These people are willingly to throw logic and narrative out of the window just to get a High 6-A feat.
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@DemonGodMitchAubin @Armorchompy
Sorry for bothering you as well, but your input here would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry for bothering you as well, but your input here would be greatly appreciated.
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Luffy couldn't even revert back to base by the time the island hit the ground. It didn't take minutes.
This doesn't even make sense
What does this have to do with the speed that Onigashima was moving
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OP seems fine after reading it
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Does it really matter? He could very well take more than 10 seconds to go back to base and it's not like we know where exactly he is in the sky, but at least we know he's falling as he is upside down.
Except it does? The meteor moving at 41,000 m/s wouldn't have even given time to those people to laugh several times, while Onigashima is already close to the surface.
That speed of gravity is making fragments fall faster than Momo moving the island.
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If Mitch supports the OP then I will lean in favor.
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Did you seriously read the whole thread in one minute-
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Based on nothing. The only time we see him transform it happens ridiculously quick
This wouldn't take more than 5 seconds.
The island moving for 10 seconds gives the people time to laugh several times, in 10 seconds.
then those would move at their own speed and the island would move at its own speed as well
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Yeaaaaaaaaaah no, I'll just bluntly state out loud what I said to Damage before.
I WILL NOT, IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, EVER TOUCH A ONE PIECE CALC WITH A 10 FOOT POLE EVEN IF YOU THREATENED TO KILL MY FAMILY, MY FRIENDS OR MY OTHER LOVED ONES. Ain't worth the gamble.
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Not allowing it to fall doesn't mean he was pulling it upwards. He was stopping it from reaching the Flower Capital where Kaido intended to drop it; so it wouldn't fall until it got there.
What about when Momonosuke wasn't holding onto it? It wasn't falling then.
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Good choice
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I mean it BTW
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errors in the calculation have already been pointed out, it is simply not possible.
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The panels you posted show Luffy returning to base after several deep sighs and saying "who says I'm at my limit"
And that's impossible, the island is moving slower than a free falling rock.
Except it was just about to land in that panel, the island is no longer 410,000 meters above the sky there.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, the issue is still the fragments falling off the island faster than your calculated 41,000 m/s speed.
And that's impossible, the island is moving slower than a free falling rock.
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As do I.
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He said he couldn't move it upwards, but he wouldn't let it go down any further
Flame clouds still maintained it briefly. They weren't just staying in the air.
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