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One Piece Chapter 1072: The Weight of Memory (Official Translation)

Eminiteable said:
nvm it was the rattle sound effect of their weapon which basically indicated the same thing.
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But was Yamato's body shaken by the clash?

Also, just the fact that they were clashing shows that Awakened Kaku is at least comparable to Buso Zoro, especially since Zoro dropped the grin.

People saying Zoro won when he just sent Kaku flying back a bit with an attack, even though Kaku didn't look harmed.

Now, if Zoro had used Haoshoku or Enma then he would've ragdolled Kaku, but that's something different.
 
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This guy makes a pretty interesting point.
 
Eseseso said:
But was Yamato's body shaken by the clash?

Also, just the fact that they were clashing shows that Awakened Kaku is at least comparable to Buso Zoro, especially since Zoro dropped the grin.

People saying Zoro won when he just sent Kaku flying back a bit with an attack, even though Kaku didn't look harmed.

Now, if Zoro had used Haoshoku or Enma then he would've ragdolled Kaku, but that's something different.
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Yamato honestly doesn't matter, I thought it was a similar example but I misremembered.

Didn't I already cover this with at least a few posts now that they didn't clash and you've kinda failed to refute these points whatsoever despite quoting them. Idk why you're trying to scale Zoro's seriousness based on if he's grinning, he grinned against Killer but didn't against Monet; not really a reliable method of scaling.

Idk about people but I was arguing against your Buso Zoro = Awakened Kaku claim considering he overpowered him in the chapter. (Also you're trying to scale AP via durability feats again despite that not working)
 
RoyGundam said:
In the Enies Lobby clash, Zoro used a named attack to repel Kaku's attack. These are not comparable unless Zoro uses a named attack in this clash as well
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Correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't Luffy knock Lucci's lights out with G3, and when they made a callback to that in Egghead he used a named attack but I don't think he did that in Enies Lobby.
Point is the attack doesn't need to have a name for it to still be a callback.
 
Eminiteable said:
Didn't I already cover this with at least a few posts now that they didn't clash and you've kinda failed to refute these points whatsoever despite quoting them. Idk why you're trying to scale Zoro's seriousness based on if he's grinning, he grinned against Killer but didn't against Monet; not really a reliable method of scaling.

Idk about people but I was arguing against your Buso Zoro = Awakened Kaku claim considering he overpowered him in the chapter. (Also you're trying to scale AP via durability feats again despite that not working)
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They were still portrayed as comparable.

And Zoro's body did shake from blocking that Nose attack from Awakened Kaku.

And Kaku took a Buso attack and seemed fine before Stussy knocked him out.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't Luffy knock Lucci's lights out with G3, and when they made a callback to that in Egghead he used a named attack but I don't think he did that in Enies Lobby.
Point is the attack doesn't need to have a name for it to still be a callback.
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G3 itself was the biggest "named attack" in that instance. Luffy KO'ing Lucci with G3 was the proper reveal of G3
 
Eseseso said:
They were still portrayed as comparable.

And Zoro's body did shake from blocking that Nose attack from Awakened Kaku.

And Kaku took a Buso attack and seemed fine before Stussy knocked him out.
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What's this based on?

And I already covered that this wouldn't make them equal/comparable when we can see Zoro overpower his extreme bigan (plus it's kind of a cope to interpret it as shaking in the first place considering that visual effect is used for any type of body movement)

I've already responded to this exact point like three times now, durability feats aren't AP feats.
 
Y'know, I find it interesting that Kaku was still in Zoan form when Stussy knocked him out. Kinda proves that what Stussy did was just a sedative and not even AP-related like some Zoro haters try to say ( to put her over Zoro for "one shotting" him ) as we've seen other Zoans like Marco get clapped by Garp and go back to Base/Hybrid form.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Y'know, I find it interesting that Kaku was still in Zoan form when Stussy knocked him out. Kinda proves that what Stussy did was just a sedative and not even AP-related like some Zoro haters try to say ( to put her over Zoro for "one shotting" him ) as we've seen other Zoans like Marco get clapped by Garp and go back to Base/Hybrid form.
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It's clearly a poison or sedative of some form
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Y'know, I find it interesting that Kaku was still in Zoan form when Stussy knocked him out. Kinda proves that what Stussy did was just a sedative and not even AP-related like some Zoro haters try to say ( to put her over Zoro for "one shotting" him ) as we've seen other Zoans like Marco get clapped by Garp and go back to Base/Hybrid form.
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Sometimes zoan users stay in their zoan forms even after being knocked out like Lucci in Enies lobby, it seems to be inconsistent.

Obviously though what happened with Kaku seems to be some kind of sleep hax related to her fruit.
 
Yeah so Kuma's abilities still seem to be related to concept manipulation / effecting Abstractions such as Pain, thoughts and memories but it seems like there needs to be some type of nervous system for him to affect. I.E the nervous system is the medium for his hax to take effect.
 
Aerozz said:
OK this chapter is crazy af i have so many theories about weevil/bakkin/teach/kuma and vegapunk
so about kaido here is my theory on why Kaido didnt awaken his fruit.

lets be clear Oda is 100% playing with us coz why he showed other characters awakened (and he even put it in their card info) where he could easily awaken kaido its very clear oda is doing this on purpose.
ok so about kaido why did he not awaken his fruit? well Oda gave us many hints on why kaido didnt awaken his fruit.

Here is my theory we all know kaido was called the strongest (even tho i see shanks/mihawk stronger than him but thats IMO :DD ) he fought the strongest of people/creatures and yes he got defeated 7 times in his life but defeat doesn't mean he is near death situation so, what if kaido couldnt be a near death situation when he had the fruit (coz so far what i have seen is awakening means u need to be in near death aka luffy) so luffy is the only one who actually gave kaido a near death experience and that means he is most likely will be awaken next time we see him.
Bro if kaido awakened i might say he would be actually stronger than shanks lmao
edit (also maybe thats why one of the reasons Kiado was looking for a place to die coz to be awakened)
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i think Kaido’s final form was his Awakening vs G5 Luffy. Just a theory tho
 
Aerozz said:
OK this chapter is crazy af i have so many theories about weevil/bakkin/teach/kuma and vegapunk
so about kaido here is my theory on why Kaido didnt awaken his fruit.

lets be clear Oda is 100% playing with us coz why he showed other characters awakened (and he even put it in their card info) where he could easily awaken kaido its very clear oda is doing this on purpose.
ok so about kaido why did he not awaken his fruit? well Oda gave us many hints on why kaido didnt awaken his fruit.

Here is my theory we all know kaido was called the strongest (even tho i see shanks/mihawk stronger than him but thats IMO :DD ) he fought the strongest of people/creatures and yes he got defeated 7 times in his life but defeat doesn't mean he is near death situation so, what if kaido couldnt be a near death situation when he had the fruit (coz so far what i have seen is awakening means u need to be in near death aka luffy) so luffy is the only one who actually gave kaido a near death experience and that means he is most likely will be awaken next time we see him.
Bro if kaido awakened i might say he would be actually stronger than shanks lmao
edit (also maybe thats why one of the reasons Kiado was looking for a place to die coz to be awakened)
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I think Kaidou and Big Mom were just too strong as is so Awakening would make them way too powerful.
 
Eseseso said:
Maybe BM learning to absorb her own lifespan was her Awakening
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It makes sense she could absorb her own lifespan if she could do it to others.
Darkvie123 said:
THEY WERE RIGHTT. STUSSY a freakin VAMPIRE OMFG. Some related with Blood DF probably
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I had a thought that she was the one in the control room turning off the lasers to bait her fellow members into fighting so she could sneak attack, since vampires can't be seen in stuff like mirrors and screens, but she'd have to get there and back pretty fast.
 
Eseseso said:
Whatever happens, lets not forget...that I ******* called Kaku Awakening and none of you guys believed me.

Scaling be damned, I ******* called it.
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i was confident he would shownus Awakening ngl. Oda doesn’t sleep on characters he revealed before like Kishimoto does (no offense but its true)
 
Interesting, but it's a bit weird how Vegapunk hasn't brought up Zoro before or remarked about him beyond the beginning of the arc.

Cool theory, I just don't really buy it for now.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Awakened Lucci>Awakened Kaku~Buso Zoro

More High 6-A Lucci support
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Are you reading Three Piece?
And come to think of it, Kaku awakened his fruit earlier than Lucci, he's probably more skilled with his fruit than Lucci is.
And Lucci got one shot by Luffy while Kaku could at least endure getting slammed by Buso Zoro.
 
There are 3 scientists in the cover picture, one is Judge and one is Caesar but who is the third one?
 
I never understand why y'all do these really stupid comparisons and reaches to get Lucci to H6A. I'm sure there's probably a much simpler way, honestly.
Or, they could just wait for him to get another fight or something. I dunno.
 
Eminiteable said:
Lucci wouldn't scale to Kaku regardless, Kaku's proven his potential >>> Lucci.

Took him two years to awaken while Lucci took 7+ years.
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You can't be serious, Kaido has been a Dragon since God Valley Incident and he doesn't have an awakening, Luffy has been with his fruit since he was a kid, same goes to Law and Big Mom, Law aside all of them are Conquerors, the ones with the highest potential in the world... And Kaku scales above because he got an awakening in 2 years? For real?

Also, Buso G5 >>>>>>>>>>>> Buso Zoro.
 
XDragnoir said:
You can't be serious, Kaido has been a Dragon since God Valley Incident and he doesn't have an awakening, Luffy has been with his fruit since he was a kid, same goes to Law and Big Mom, Law aside all of them are Conquerors, the ones with the highest potential in the world... And Kaku scales above because he got an awakening in 2 years? For real?

Also, Buso G5 >>>>>>>>>>>> Buso Zoro.
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I'm not comparing Kaku to any of these people, I'm comparing him to Lucci.

This isn't the point if you had read my other messages.
 
Eminiteable said:
I'm not comparing Kaku to any of these people, I'm comparing him to Lucci.
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You're using the time it took to get an Awakening to say someone has greater potential, we don't even know how much that actually matters to get an Awakening, it's more than likely that only by constant use (mainly in fights which bring near death situations) one would get their Awakening, it was the case with the 3 Novas.

Lucci was undercover for 5 or so years, so he didn't use it for a long time and we have no idea how much he used it before going undercover, but given he was an assassin it's very unlikely that he had to deal with several life and death situations.

Awakenings aren't related to potential, which Lucci was already stated to be at the top of CP9 anyway.
 
XDragnoir said:
You can't be serious, Kaido has been a Dragon since God Valley Incident and he doesn't have an awakening, Luffy has been with his fruit since he was a kid, same goes to Law and Big Mom, Law aside all of them are Conquerors, the ones with the highest potential in the world... And Kaku scales above because he got an awakening in 2 years? For real?

Also, Buso G5 >>>>>>>>>>>> Buso Zoro.
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Lucci is a very active fighter, and we know he's been fighting people like the Revolutionaries and may have even tried to fight Blackbeard and his crew at Baltigo.
Yet he never awakened his fruit until recently.
And the thing is, Lucci's fruit is more simplistic than the others you've listed, it should reasonably be more easy to awaken.
Also I doubt Buso G5 is that much higher than Buso Zoro with 2/3 swords.
Luffy was using basic Armament and one arm, Zoro used 3 swords and 2 arms along with Armament.
 
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