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One Piece Chapter 1032: "The beloved sword of Oden" (Official Release)

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I want Katakuri to be >= Marco and King, since he's supposed to be Luffy's future rival.

Also, considering how much his siblings hype him up, him not being even comparable to Big Mom is a gargantuan letdown.
I mean, VSBW stats aside, he clearly isn't close to Big Mom to the same extent Ray, Beckman and Zoro are to their captains, we know for sure BM can oneshot Katakuri at any moment if she means it, those other cases tho? Damn, i don't see even Marco or King being one shot by their captains, even regen/recovery aside.

About future rivals... i guess? Like, Kata will be a strong pirate when Luffy becomes the Pirate King, but he isn't going to be Luffy's WB or Shiki, much less his Xebec.
 
About future rivals... i guess? Like, Kata will be a strong pirate when Luffy becomes the Pirate King, but he isn't going to be Luffy's WB or Shiki, much less his Xebec.
Yeah as far as future rival great pirates like Roger had with Shikki or WB the biggest contenders for that are Kid and Law, Katakuri was just a stepping stone for Luffy.
 
Enma always possessed the presence of Oden within it, that's what Kaido said. That being Haki though isn't the same, unless Haki = souls.
Haki is the energy manifested by ones soul so... anyway, now it is a literal thing that's what i wanted to point out, before it was a metaphorical thing but now we literally see the sword reacting like Oden.

Don't get me wrong but King is fighting a Zoro who some chapters later confronted BM and Kaido, this is not full 100% Zoro,
He was fully healed, likely even the broken bones.
 
Haki is the energy manifested by ones soul so... anyway, now it is a literal thing that's what i wanted to point out, before it was a metaphorical thing but now we literally see the sword reacting like Oden.
Mhm, could be the explanation behind cursed swords I guess or this is a thing for all swords (who knows)
 
Mhm, could be the explanation behind cursed swords I guess or this is a thing for all swords (who knows)
Hmm, i always forget Enma is a cursed blade, meh, i think it's a more in general thing or an enma-only thing, or maybe all cursed blades have that to a lesser extent but i don't like this path.
 
Haki is the energy manifested by ones soul so... anyway, now it is a literal thing that's what i wanted to point out, before it was a metaphorical thing but now we literally see the sword reacting like Oden.
If that applies then Zoro forcing his Haki back into his body after Enma inhaled it implies the existence of some form of soul manip resistance for haki users.


On the topic of the chapter- King using his head as a slingshot is the weirdest thing. Did his head eject outwards? Or did he shoot a beak shockwave/Beam thing? Zoro said he couldn't BLOCK it, even though he regular blocks beams and shockwaves-
 
Marines with other motives, basically. They do things undercover because the government likely wouldn't allow them to do said things otherwise.
 
Okay, but that still doesn't explain why he would fight other marines.
 
Okay. Maybe they have similar sentiments to Garp then? Meaning, that they hate slavery and the world nobles.
 
Okay, but that still doesn't explain why he would fight other marines.
I assume it's because Sword is a secret to even the WG, so those who know about it like CP0 don't talk about it and want to take care of it under cover. Likely because Sword is.. Maybe like the Neo Marines from Z Movie, their own values and whatnot.
CP0 disposing of Drake would be a favor to the WG (Specifically Gorosei/Celestial dragons) who likely doesn't know yet that he's a member of Sword.
 
Are we not gonna talk about how this badass CP0 leader just blitzed Apoo outta nowhere that apoo couldn't even dodge
 
Are we not gonna talk about how this badass CP0 leader just blitzed Apoo outta nowhere that apoo couldn't even dodge
Extremely warn-out Appo, yes.
I wanted CP0 to be actual fodder to current characters to the point where Usopp could handle them. It would be such a great way of showing the growth of our crew's power.
 
Extremely warn-out Appo, yes.
I wanted CP0 to be actual fodder to current characters to the point where Usopp could handle them. It would be such a great way of showing the growth of our crew's power.
Damn you are right, now we are back to 0 match ups for Usopp, the numbers were the perfect match up but everyone minus Usopp KO'ed one of them.
 
It would have been bad writting for the Strongest Organization Of The WG to get beat from usopp honestly...
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It would have been bad writting for the Strongest Organization Of The WG to get beat from usopp honestly...
CP0 existing is already sort of "I need to keep WG relevant"-kind of writing. Which I wouldn't judge if someone called it bad.
After establishing that CP9 was the strongest weapon the government have, saying "Uh, but actually" is just a bad decision. If at least they serve an actual justifiable purpose for Powerscaling, it would be better.
 
Apoo got serious guts. He saw CP0 and went "caught you in 4K : D"
Still surprising he managed to catch that agent with an attack mid-dash. Apoo's proving himself to be one of the stronger Supernova captains. At this point Hawkins and Bonney are the only ones that don't have comparable showings. And Urouge, since last we heard of him he barely beat Snack-
 
Apoo got serious guts. He saw CP0 and went "caught you in 4K : D"
Still surprising he managed to catch that agent with an attack mid-dash. Apoo's proving himself to be one of the stronger Supernova captains. At this point Hawkins and Bonney are the only ones that don't have comparable showings. And Urouge, since last we heard of him he barely beat Snack-
Ain't Snack > Perorin? That could give us some relevant scaling, no?
 
Ain't Snack > Perorin? That could give us some relevant scaling, no?
Perospero has a higher bounty than him, plus when Perospero nominated himself as the next captain the only other nomination was Katakuri due to being the strongest (Smoothie, Cracker and Snack would all have a right to being captain over Perospero if they were stronger than him).
 
Perospero has a higher bounty than him, plus when Perospero nominated himself as the next captain the only other nomination was Katakuri due to being the strongest (Smoothie, Cracker and Snack would all have a right to being captain over Perospero if they were stronger than him).
Both of these factors aren't really determining whether he's stronger or not. The Self-Nomination isn't really acknowledged by anyone. The other problem with this argument is that, if you consider his Self-Nomination as an argument, this would mean he is stronger than Smoothie and Cracker, both who have higher bounties, essentially contradicting your use of Perospero's bounty as a point.

And the sweet generals are stated to be the top officers, aren't they?
They serve as Big Mom's top officers with the highest authority, reverence, and fighting prowess in the crew after Big Mom herself.
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"Due to the Sweet Commanders' significant status among the crew, the defeat of one is considered a grave event and will have the Big Mom Pirates seeking to use overwhelming force to bring down whoever responsible. Cracker's defeat saw a state of emergency lockdown be declared on Whole Cake Island." (Wiki)
 
Both of these factors aren't really determining whether he's stronger or not. The Self-Nomination isn't really acknowledged by anyone.

The other problem with this argument is that, if you consider his Self-Nomination as an argument, this would mean he is stronger than Smoothie and Cracker, both who have higher bounties, essentially contradicting your use of Perospero's bounty as a point.
True, I honestly forgot the scene due to it being so long but essentially Daifuku says power in general is what matters so It doesn't exclude Cracker or Smoothie.

Regardless though, Snack is featless and specifically lost his rank due to losing to Urogue. Putting him above Perospero for once holding a rank doesn't work imo, especially since his bounty is lower and the general rule among most of these Yonko crews is that the Commanders have higher bounties than the other officers.
 
True, I honestly forgot the scene due to it being so long but essentially Daifuku says power in general is what matters so It doesn't exclude Cracker or Smoothie.
We know power does not determ Bounty. Daifuku's claim is just stupidity.
Regardless though, Snack is featless and specifically lost his rank due to losing to Urogue.
Urogue should get praise for defeating Snack, not the other way around. (As we have no frame of reference for Urogue other than losing to Cracker)
Putting him above Perospero for once holding a rank doesn't work imo, especially since his bounty is lower and the general rule among most of these Yonko crews is that the Commanders have higher bounties than the other officers.
Yonkou Rankings, do rely on power, however. If King had a 980 mil Bounty despite being First Commander, the correct assumption would still be that he is above the likes of Jack.
Snack is at the very least comparable, if not superior to Perospero.

Why didn't Perospero become a Sweet Commander after Snack's defeat if he was stronger? Why didn't Perospero's defeat cause as much of a havoc as Snack's did?
it's obvious Perospero isn't superior.
 
We know power does not determ Bounty. Daifuku's claim is just stupidity.
Power definitely plays a role in a bounty number as Aokiji says, there's more to it but saying power doesn't determine bounties isn't true.
Urogue should get praise for defeating Snack, not the other way around. (As we have no frame of reference for Urogue other than losing to Cracker)
Urogue gets praise for defeating Snack, how impressive that is overall is based on how impressive Snack is (Who overall hasn't been that impressive)
Yonkou Rankings, do rely on power, however. If King had a 980 mil Bounty despite being First Commander, the correct assumption would still be that he is above the likes of Jack.
Except that isn't the case is it? King has the highest, then Queen and lastly Jack then the tobiroppo. Same goes for the sweet commanders with Katakuri, Smoothie then Cracker and then the rest.
Snack is at the very least comparable, if not superior to Perospero.

Why didn't Perospero become a Sweet Commander after Snack's defeat if he was stronger? Why didn't Perospero's defeat cause as much of a havoc as Snack's did?
it's obvious Perospero isn't superior.
There isn't evidence for that though.

Why wasn't Snack allowed tokeep his sweet commander position after his defeat despite the fact he's still fighting people and acting as an officer, to our knowledge Cracker and Katakuri have kept their positions despite losing.

Plus there's the fact they changed it from "Sweet four" to "Sweet three" after Snack's defeat, showing that there was never any intention on replacing the fourth seat after his defeat and instead keeping three only.
 
Power definitely plays a role in a bounty number as Aokiji says, there's more to it but saying power doesn't determine bounties isn't true.
Ahem.
Playing a role isn't determining something. Power doesn't determ bounties, it does play a role in the actual determining factor, which is threat level.
There are multiple factors, and when the difference is 100,000,000 (Which might have been less at the time), you cannot say Perospero is a crystal clear above Snack.

Let me remind you that Luffy's Bounty was 500,000,000.

Luffy isn't losing to Perospero in a million years.
Urogue gets praise for defeating Snack, how impressive that is overall is based on how impressive Snack is (Who overall hasn't been that impressive)
This sounds like he's a reoccurring character. He's not. We cannot claim he hasn't been impressive (as in, unimpressive), if he has never shown anything. He is impressive enough to be a sweet commander.
Except that isn't the case is it?
You missed my point entirely. The word "if" plays a role in my sentence. Point being, Bounties will never be a reasonable factor to determ one's power if the difference is so insignificant.
There isn't evidence for that though.
His title is an evidence.
Why wasn't Snack allowed tokeep his sweet commander position after his defeat despite the fact he's still fighting people and acting as an officer, to our knowledge Cracker and Katakuri have kept their positions despite losing.
Do we know that? Do we actually know that? Why didn't they come to help Big Mom in Wano, then? Don't say it's their Injuries, Perospero lost an arm.
Plus there's the fact they changed it from "Sweet four" to "Sweet three" after Snack's defeat, showing that there was never any intention on replacing the fourth seat after his defeat and instead keeping three only.
How does that change the fact he used to rank above Perospero, and now is ranked equally?

Again, claiming Perospero is stronger due to slightly higher bounty alone does not work, Bounties are not power level.

As an officer, and a former Sweet General, Snack can be scaled to Perospero regardless. We have literally zero reasons to believe Perospero scale higher than a Sweet Commander, or reasonably above the other officers. Literally nothing.
 
Ahem.
Playing a role isn't determining something. Power doesn't determ bounties, it does play a role in the actual determining factor, which is threat level.
There are multiple factors, and when the difference is 100,000,000 (Which might have been less at the time), you cannot say Perospero is a crystal clear above Snack.

Let me remind you that Luffy's Bounty was 500,000,000.

Luffy isn't losing to Perospero in a million years.

This sounds like he's a reoccurring character. He's not. We cannot claim he hasn't been impressive (as in, unimpressive), if he has never shown anything. He is impressive enough to be a sweet commander.

You missed my point entirely. The word "if" plays a role in my sentence. Point being, Bounties will never be a reasonable factor to determ one's power if the difference is so insignificant.

His title is an evidence.

Do we know that? Do we actually know that? Why didn't they come to help Big Mom in Wano, then? Don't say it's their Injuries, Perospero lost an arm.

How does that change the fact he used to rank above Perospero, and now is ranked equally?

Again, claiming Perospero is stronger due to slightly higher bounty alone does not work, Bounties are not power level.

As an officer, and a former Sweet General, Snack can be scaled to Perospero regardless. We have literally zero reasons to believe Perospero scale higher than a Sweet Commander, or reasonably above the other officers. Literally nothing.
In all fairness, for all we know, Snack might be very strong in terms of just raw power, but Perospero's just an overall better combatant? Urouge isn't exactly a complicated fighter after all, where he can be a damage sponge and erturn it, so it's likely that Snack is that kind of fighter, while Persopero's more versatile (and likely more endurant.)
Because it was off screen it's hard to say, but it could've been as simple as Snack went all in at first, Urouge absorbed then returned it twice as hard, and Snack just lost in a battle of "who's more macho". And got demoted as a result-
Based on rank, Snack>Pero. But showings say Pero>Snack. Besides, being a FOURTH commander means Big Mom just wanted to add another one, and it could've been that outside of the original 3, the fourth was just there to fill a seat and could be replaced by anyone else. Otherwise Cracker and Katakuri would be demoted because they lost, too.
 
Yes, given how comparatively grim the story has turned lately, Oda probably does not want us to take it too seriously, so we get some ridiculous antics from King, Queen and the helicopter triceratops to get some breathing room.
 
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