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W opinion, I like you Nanayawith the exception of Oath Under Snow, yeah
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W opinion, I like you Nanayawith the exception of Oath Under Snow, yeah
Idk why but I've read the same type of comment in every General Discussion thread of every verse I follow lmaoThat Tier 0 thread has gone way too long, must be the norm for such a hated verse. Kinda sad how hated Nasu is in VS circles.
It's not hated here. Very few staff are interested in it in general. I certainly don't have anything against it and I enjoy it a lot. The thread has gone on for a long time primarily because it's a complicated topic, it's a verse with a heavily decentralized canon (being spread out across numerous games, many of which have never been translated), and there is a lot of information to cover.must be the norm for such a hated verse. Kinda sad how hated Nasu is in VS circles.
This trailer and the past few trailers seems to make it a new take on Fate/Extra.Do you think Extra Record follows Extra's lore, or Extella's? Or gonna be its own take on the Extra story? Me and some friends off site have been speculating what the premise is and came to the conclusion it's prooooobably a game version of Extella Zero, since so far that only exists as that old blog Nasu made way back.
After seeing the new trailer though I'm unsure and kinda leaning it just being an entirely new take on Extra
Is not that bad.I guess we deserve this since Prisma Illya is the most cancerous and disgusting Fate thing to ever exist
I love youI like you Nanaya
it is.It's not hated here.
I struggle to imagine a metric through which one could say Nasuverse is "hated" here that isn't also true of essentially any verse. Why do you believe it is "hated?"it is.
I get it butIs not that bad.
I mean, this is only a problem in 2wei, the others seasons don't have that many fanservice.
I've just seen a bunch of people say that they hate fate, things related to fate, and the profiles on the wiki. There was a guy with a Kohaku PFP on discord and he said that he loved the character's design, and when someone told him it was a nasuverse character, he sent a vomit emoji and changed his pfp.Why do you believe it is "hated?"
Let me ask a different question. Is there a difference between "having haters" and "being hated?" It's not uncommon for verses to have haters. I just don't see how Nasuverse is outside the norm in this regard.I've just seen a bunch of people say that they hate fate, things related to fate, and the profiles on the wiki. There was a guy with a Kohaku PFP on discord and he said that he loved the character's design, and when someone told him it was a nasuverse character, he sent a vomit emoji and changed his pfp.
Eh, that's Fair.I get it but
Call me a prude but I'm just not comfortable with grade schooler fanservice. Even if its "not the focus".
I know, ironic given my name and the nature of Fate itself, but not all magical girl shows have kid fanservice, and not all fate stuff is really about fanservice.
I'd say so, yeah.Is there a difference between "having haters" and "being hated?"
it's possible that I've just seen more people hating on it than just about anything else. Even with my irl friend groups, most of them don't even watch anime outside of the newer ones, yet almost all of them say that Random Nasuverse Series #2 sucks because other people told them that it sucks or that the watch order is too confusing and they shouldn't even bother starting.I just don't see how Nasuverse is outside the norm in this regard.
Yes it is.On another note
I just read Tsuki no Sango.
Is it canon to the greater Nasuverse?
Yeah, idk, this strikes me as odd. Most of my friends don't know about it at all, even the ones that watch anime. I mean, several of the Nasuverse animes aren't very good, and the watch order is indeed confusing, but I really just have never gotten the impression that Nasuverse has any special amount of negativity around it. Most people think well of it, in my experience.Even with my irl friend groups, most of them don't even watch anime outside of the newer ones, yet almost all of them say that Random Nasuverse Series #2 sucks because other people told them that it sucks or that the watch order is too confusing and they shouldn't even bother starting.
This is completely fair.I get it but
Call me a prude but I'm just not comfortable with grade schooler fanservice. Even if its "not the focus".
I know, ironic given my name and the nature of Fate itself, but not all magical girl shows have kid fanservice, and not all fate stuff is really about fanservice.
I think the general anime fan mostly knows the franchise from the memes about it, and/or the Ufotable animes.Yeah, idk, this strikes me as odd. Most of my friends don't know about it at all, even the ones that watch anime. I mean, several of the Nasuverse animes aren't very good, and the watch order is indeed confusing, but I really just have never gotten the impression that Nasuverse has any special amount of negativity around it. Most people think well of it, in my experience.
Wait, really? That's hilarious (and petty). Do you know why they hate the Nasuverse so much?I've just seen a bunch of people say that they hate fate, things related to fate, and the profiles on the wiki. There was a guy with a Kohaku PFP on discord and he said that he loved the character's design, and when someone told him it was a nasuverse character, he sent a vomit emoji and changed his pfp.
I feel like there are only 3 that I would call actually bad.I mean, several of the Nasuverse animes aren't very good
I feel like it's made over complicated due to several factors. but I really don't feel like a watch order is needed to enjoy the series or understand the story. I went from Carnival Phantasm, to UBW, to Melty Blood, to Kara no Kyoukai, to Tsukihime while having the most fun I've had exploring a franchise.the watch order is indeed confusing
could just be a difference in experiences.I really just have never gotten the impression that Nasuverse has any special amount of negativity around it
I don't think I asked them. It was pretty funny thoughWait, really? That's hilarious (and petty). Do you know why they hate the Nasuverse so much?
Oh no, don't worry, I get it, everyone tells me that the story is good, etc.This is completely fair.
I hate the fanservice, but I think Prisma Illya is good in-spite of that terrible fanservice.
But that's not going to be the case for everyone.
(I kind of wish there was a version of Prisma Illya without the fan service, because then a lot more people who be able to watch it and enjoy it. Actually, why isn't that a thing)?
Which ones would those be?I feel like there are only 3 that I would call actually bad.
... I have many questions about how you took that path, but I'll refrain and just say that I do agree that the "watch order" discussion is way overblown.I feel like it's made over complicated due to several factors. but I really don't feel like a watch order is needed to enjoy the series or understand the story. I went from Carnival Phantasm, to UBW, to Melty Blood, to Kara no Kyoukai, to Tsukihime while having the most fun I've had exploring a franchise.
I assume that it is. Most of these stories are anecdotal evidence at best, so your experience and Deagonx's are both probably valid.could just be a difference in experiences.
You should ask them. I want to know their thought process.I don't think I asked them. It was pretty funny though
Yeah but I mean, that's... three whole anime series. And even as far as "actually bad" goes, people are generally unkind to even animes that are just kind of okay. Fate/Extra Encore wasn't received very well and neither was Apocrypha.I feel like there are only 3 that I would call actually bad.
Sure, but Nasuverse is a very unique franchise in that regard compared to most anime. It is genuinely disorienting to the average fan where most series are either entirely self contained to a single anime, or have -- at most -- a single spin-off that covers a prequel/sequel or maybe an alternate timeline. Fate has a ton of stuff, and the naming convention doesn't even really tell you anything about what's what.I feel like it's made over complicated due to several factors. but I really don't feel like a watch order is needed to enjoy the series or understand the story. I went from Carnival Phantasm, to UBW, to Melty Blood, to Kara no Kyoukai, to Tsukihime while having the most fun I've had exploring a franchise.
Cool.Oh no, don't worry, I get it, everyone tells me that the story is good, etc.
That is perfectly fair. I'll say that whenever I get to one of those scenes, it's painful for me to watch.But I personally cannot stomach children, even if fictional or animated, being subjected to THOSE kinds of scenes. It's a me thing. (Well tbf a lot of others share my view, but I understand people who also don't care for it and still watch it for the story, is my main gist)
It would elevate the experience even for people like me who like it in-spite of its problems.And yeah, if Prisma Illya made the ecchi and romance stuff between literal children non-existent, I'd be able to stomach it.
Yeah, it doesn't help that it's also the series that gets the most collabs, besides maybe Fate/stay night.Sadly, Prisma Illya is one of the highest grossing and longest Fate series, like it has several movies and seasons. So people will always look at it and say "man Fate fans must be all pdfs", even though a lot of the fandom actually hate the fanservice too.
Yep, that's me.Like, even with people who do like the story, I'm pretty sure they hate the fanservice even if they admit the story is good.
Fate Extra (the Netflix one), Tsukihime: Lunar Legend, and Studio Deen's adaptation of Fate Stay Night. While there are other series that are actually in the franchise that are also questionable or niche, these are the only ones that I feel are actually bad.Which ones would those be?
I saw a really funny instagram meme about Carnival Phantasm and decided to watch it without any prior knowledge or context with my irl best friend and we loved it, so we decided to watch a bunch of other stuff at random. I think Fate Zero was the last thing I watched, and that was some time last year.... I have many questions about how you took that path
I see a lot of mixed opinions of Apocrypha. My dad says that he liked it a lot and even complimented the animation, but I also see a lot of people saying it was just decent or disappointing.And even as far as "actually bad" goes, people are generally unkind to even animes that are just kind of okay. Fate/Extra Encore wasn't received very well and neither was Apocrypha.
While I agree that the naming can be confusing, I find it to be barely more confusing than Mobile Suit Gundam (in terms of naming only. I haven't actually seen much of the series, only the millions of titles while I scroll through Crunchyroll).It is genuinely disorienting to the average fan where most series are either entirely self contained to a single anime, or have -- at most -- a single spin-off that covers a prequel/sequel or maybe an alternate timeline. Fate has a ton of stuff, and the naming convention doesn't even really tell you anything about what's what.
there isn't, but it's not impossible to infer that. If my mom can do it, I have faith that others can too.There's no obvious reason why Fate/Zero (as a title) is connected to Fate/UBW-SN-HF
I know it is, but I feel that some people make it more confusing than it needs to be, from both fans and people who haven't watched the series. It also doesn't help that the series is based off of a visual novel, which is hardly even a concept in some people's minds.It's genuinely very confusing
100% agree. some of the best music I've heard from a series is from Fate.if there's one thing I love about Fate in general is that it has some really amazing OST.
I don't understand what the argument is. I am aware there are other series with the same issues as Fate.While I agree that the naming can be confusing, I find it to be barely more confusing than Mobile Suit Gundam (in terms of naming only. I haven't actually seen much of the series, only the millions of titles while I scroll through Crunchyroll).
Again, I don't understand what the argument is here. I didn't say it was impossible, I said the naming convention gives no clues to this. (And again, Fate/Zero actually takes place in a different timeline entirely than F/SN).there isn't, but it's not impossible to infer that. If my mom can do it, I have faith that others can too.
I mean, people can't really help it? It simply is confusing. It's less confusing to you because you already understand it.I know it is, but I feel that some people make it more confusing than it needs to be, from both fans and people who haven't watched the series. It also doesn't help that the series is based off of a visual novel, which is hardly even a concept in some people's minds.
I got Persona vs SMT fandom elitist flashbacks from this....as well as the overexposure of fate and how mediocre it generally is compared to the stuff that came before.
It's true generally from this and you'd be hard pressed to deny the differences in worldviews between fate and the older series. Dude, one of my off-site friends even joked that fate was TM's persona as in a spinoff franchise that killed the company and made them turn in to a degenerate shell of there former self.I got Persona vs SMT fandom elitist flashbacks from this....
People are people. Everyone is within their rights to like/hate/love/dislike any fictional franchise as people tend to get emotional.I've just seen a bunch of people say that they hate fate, things related to fate, and the profiles on the wiki. There was a guy with a Kohaku PFP on discord and he said that he loved the character's design, and when someone told him it was a nasuverse character, he sent a vomit emoji and changed his pfp.
Elitism will unfortunately arise in any Fandom. (Referring to Fanbases more specifically)I got Persona vs SMT fandom elitist flashbacks from this....
This is unfortunately true as well.It's not hated here. Very few staff are interested in it in general. I certainly don't have anything against it and I enjoy it a lot. The thread has gone on for a long time primarily because it's a complicated topic, it's a verse with a heavily decentralized canon (being spread out across numerous games, many of which have never been translated), and there is a lot of information to cover.
just that it gets a lot less people talking about its watch order or calling it confusing, which probably has more to do with the fact that it's less niche as a series. but I'm still gonna complain anyways.I don't understand what the argument is.
and I agreed that it is confusing. I don't think I denied that.It simply is confusing.
It was less confusing when I didn't understand it, funnily enough.It's less confusing to you because you already understand it.
sadly. it's just how it is sometimes.Elitism will unfortunately arise in any Fandom. (Referring to Fanbases more specifically)
Man I love Arcueid.Hm... it seems that Fate/Extra Record Arcueid's design (her clothing, at the very least) is inspired a bit more by her design in Tsukihime: A Piece of Blue Glass Moon, but her hair does seem to be based on her original design.
it might be the case. I just wanted to share my thoughts.Basically, it is a opinion shared by specific amounts of people.
I think in some cases Elitism or however one says it is good as it prevents overexposure and a work being degraded to appeal to the tastes of commoners.sadly. it's just how it is sometimes.
...What?I think in some cases Elitism or however one says it is good as it prevents overexposure and a work being degraded to appeal to the tastes of commoners.
Gatekeeping is a different story as imo, it can work, but could also backfire if the intended purpose for said gatekeeping has been sullied.I think in some cases Elitism or however one says it is good as it prevents overexposure and a work being degraded to appeal to the tastes of commoners.
Could reword it with Gatekeeper as that is what I believe SilverKing is referring to....What?
"The tastes of commoners" is CRAZY, it's just fictional media I promise no one's superior or inferior for something like this![]()
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True sometimes it does work if the purpose is kept in mind and works getting more recognition doesn't always mean a good thing. I can't tell you how many works have died due to overexposure and being tuned to pander to the masses who will eat up anything with said brands name because brand recognition. I am aware Gatekeeping can backfire horribly.Gatekeeping is a different story as imo, it can work, but could also backfire if the intended purpose for said gatekeeping has been sullied.
It is unfortunate that gatekeeper is associated with elitism, but isn’t necessarily the case.