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Idk why but I've read the same type of comment in every General Discussion thread of every verse I follow lmao
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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)
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ShinyMagicalGirl
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Oath Under Snow Shirou needs to be relocated to a different universe fr
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It's not hated here. Very few staff are interested in it in general. I certainly don't have anything against it and I enjoy it a lot. The thread has gone on for a long time primarily because it's a complicated topic, it's a verse with a heavily decentralized canon (being spread out across numerous games, many of which have never been translated), and there is a lot of information to cover.
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This trailer and the past few trailers seems to make it a new take on Fate/Extra.
What I think is really interesting is that Arcueid's design is a kind of mix between her original and remake designs. I wonder what they're going to do with that...
ShinyMagicalGirl
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On another note
I just read Tsuki no Sango.
Is it canon to the greater Nasuverse?
I just read Tsuki no Sango.
Is it canon to the greater Nasuverse?
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Is not that bad.
I mean, this is only a problem in 2wei, the others seasons don't have that many fanservice.
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I struggle to imagine a metric through which one could say Nasuverse is "hated" here that isn't also true of essentially any verse. Why do you believe it is "hated?"
ShinyMagicalGirl
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I get it but
Call me a prude but I'm just not comfortable with grade schooler fanservice. Even if its "not the focus".
I know, ironic given my name and the nature of Fate itself, but not all magical girl shows have kid fanservice, and not all fate stuff is really about fanservice.
KingNanaya
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I've just seen a bunch of people say that they hate fate, things related to fate, and the profiles on the wiki. There was a guy with a Kohaku PFP on discord and he said that he loved the character's design, and when someone told him it was a nasuverse character, he sent a vomit emoji and changed his pfp.
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Let me ask a different question. Is there a difference between "having haters" and "being hated?" It's not uncommon for verses to have haters. I just don't see how Nasuverse is outside the norm in this regard.
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Eh, that's Fair.
KingNanaya
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I'd say so, yeah.
it's possible that I've just seen more people hating on it than just about anything else. Even with my irl friend groups, most of them don't even watch anime outside of the newer ones, yet almost all of them say that Random Nasuverse Series #2 sucks because other people told them that it sucks or that the watch order is too confusing and they shouldn't even bother starting.
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Yes it is.
I can tell you that it's characters appear in Chibi Chuki, if that means anything.
I think there's also a statement that says it's set in the future of some alternate Tsukihime timeline, but I'd have to go find it, if it even exists.
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Yeah, idk, this strikes me as odd. Most of my friends don't know about it at all, even the ones that watch anime. I mean, several of the Nasuverse animes aren't very good, and the watch order is indeed confusing, but I really just have never gotten the impression that Nasuverse has any special amount of negativity around it. Most people think well of it, in my experience.
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This is completely fair.
I hate the fanservice, but I think Prisma Illya is good in-spite of that terrible fanservice.
But that's not going to be the case for everyone.
(I kind of wish there was a version of Prisma Illya without the fan service, because then a lot more people who be able to watch it and enjoy it. Actually, why isn't that a thing)?
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I think the general anime fan mostly knows the franchise from the memes about it, and/or the Ufotable animes.
I guess the ones who parrot the memes are just more visible and/or annoying.
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Wait, really? That's hilarious (and petty). Do you know why they hate the Nasuverse so much?
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I feel like there are only 3 that I would call actually bad.
I feel like it's made over complicated due to several factors. but I really don't feel like a watch order is needed to enjoy the series or understand the story. I went from Carnival Phantasm, to UBW, to Melty Blood, to Kara no Kyoukai, to Tsukihime while having the most fun I've had exploring a franchise.
could just be a difference in experiences.
I don't think I asked them. It was pretty funny though
ShinyMagicalGirl
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Oh no, don't worry, I get it, everyone tells me that the story is good, etc.
But I personally cannot stomach children, even if fictional or animated, being subjected to THOSE kinds of scenes. It's a me thing. (Well tbf a lot of others share my view, but I understand people who also don't care for it and still watch it for the story, is my main gist)
And yeah, if Prisma Illya made the ecchi and romance stuff between literal children non-existent, I'd be able to stomach it.
Sadly, Prisma Illya is one of the highest grossing and longest Fate series, like it has several movies and seasons. So people will always look at it and say "man Fate fans must be all pdfs", even though a lot of the fandom actually hate the fanservice too. Like, even with people who do like the story, I'm pretty sure they hate the fanservice even if they admit the story is good.
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Which ones would those be?
... I have many questions about how you took that path, but I'll refrain and just say that I do agree that the "watch order" discussion is way overblown.
I assume that it is. Most of these stories are anecdotal evidence at best, so your experience and Deagonx's are both probably valid.
You should ask them. I want to know their thought process.
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Yeah but I mean, that's... three whole anime series. And even as far as "actually bad" goes, people are generally unkind to even animes that are just kind of okay. Fate/Extra Encore wasn't received very well and neither was Apocrypha.
Sure, but Nasuverse is a very unique franchise in that regard compared to most anime. It is genuinely disorienting to the average fan where most series are either entirely self contained to a single anime, or have -- at most -- a single spin-off that covers a prequel/sequel or maybe an alternate timeline. Fate has a ton of stuff, and the naming convention doesn't even really tell you anything about what's what.
There's no obvious reason why Fate/Zero (as a title) is connected to Fate/UBW-SN-HF (and despite being a prequel it's technically an entirely separate timeline unto itself), and it's not clear to anyone that doesn't have the background knowledge that the Heaven's Feel movies are an alternate version of UBW, etc. Then you have FGO which is entirely it's own thing but draws heavily in certain movies from the events of FSN, Fate/EXTRA which is entirely it's own thing, the whole magical girl stuff. It's genuinely very confusing, and while yes they can be enjoyed stand-alone, it's normal for people to want a kind of clear roadmap of what exactly the series is and there isn't one for Nasuverse.
I don't think people "hate" it for that, but it does discourage people.
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Cool.
That is perfectly fair. I'll say that whenever I get to one of those scenes, it's painful for me to watch.
That being said, the manga is much better about it (the anime added a lot more of those scenes, and they're much harder to ignore in the anime), which is part of the reason the manga is better.
It would elevate the experience even for people like me who like it in-spite of its problems.
Yeah, it doesn't help that it's also the series that gets the most collabs, besides maybe Fate/stay night.
It also doesn't help that it has probably the most merchandise of any series besides Fate/Grand Order and maybe Fate/stay night, and most of that merchandise is, uh, definitely made with a certain audience in mind.
On a lighter note, funnily enough Prisma Illya the second-longest running Nasuverse franchise. The longest (only by a few months) is Fate/School Life, of all things.
Yep, that's me.
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It's sad for me, really. I love the idea of a Cardcaptor Sakura-inspired Fate series (CCS is my number one fave anime of all time!!), but Prillya ruined it with uncomfortable kid fanservice.
But anyways, on a lighter note, I think if there's one thing I love about Fate in general is that it has some really amazing OST. FGO in particular is underrated in this regard-- not many people talk about how good the soundtrack is. Grand Battle, Grand Battle 3, Shikisai, etc. It's all so good for "just a mobile game"!
But anyways, on a lighter note, I think if there's one thing I love about Fate in general is that it has some really amazing OST. FGO in particular is underrated in this regard-- not many people talk about how good the soundtrack is. Grand Battle, Grand Battle 3, Shikisai, etc. It's all so good for "just a mobile game"!
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Fate Extra (the Netflix one), Tsukihime: Lunar Legend, and Studio Deen's adaptation of Fate Stay Night. While there are other series that are actually in the franchise that are also questionable or niche, these are the only ones that I feel are actually bad.
I saw a really funny instagram meme about Carnival Phantasm and decided to watch it without any prior knowledge or context with my irl best friend and we loved it, so we decided to watch a bunch of other stuff at random. I think Fate Zero was the last thing I watched, and that was some time last year.
I see a lot of mixed opinions of Apocrypha. My dad says that he liked it a lot and even complimented the animation, but I also see a lot of people saying it was just decent or disappointing.
While I agree that the naming can be confusing, I find it to be barely more confusing than Mobile Suit Gundam (in terms of naming only. I haven't actually seen much of the series, only the millions of titles while I scroll through Crunchyroll).
there isn't, but it's not impossible to infer that. If my mom can do it, I have faith that others can too.
I know it is, but I feel that some people make it more confusing than it needs to be, from both fans and people who haven't watched the series. It also doesn't help that the series is based off of a visual novel, which is hardly even a concept in some people's minds.
100% agree. some of the best music I've heard from a series is from Fate.
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I don't understand what the argument is. I am aware there are other series with the same issues as Fate.
Again, I don't understand what the argument is here. I didn't say it was impossible, I said the naming convention gives no clues to this. (And again, Fate/Zero actually takes place in a different timeline entirely than F/SN).
I mean, people can't really help it? It simply is confusing. It's less confusing to you because you already understand it.
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I feel like people ""hate Tm" mainly due to the fact TM is a very unique verse compared to most fictions (esphically the older stuff) due to the fact that the older stuff is inaccessible and because of the h scenes in the vns like tsuki, FSN, KT, FHA etc as well as the overexposure of fate and how mediocre it generally is compared to the stuff that came before. From my experience, HST fans tend to REALLY hate fate but like older titles like KNK, Tsukihime, Angel Notes, DDD, Melty etc despite the fact that the worldviews in those stories is the polar opposite of the shonen series they like.
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I got Persona vs SMT fandom elitist flashbacks from this....
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It's true generally from this and you'd be hard pressed to deny the differences in worldviews between fate and the older series. Dude, one of my off-site friends even joked that fate was TM's persona as in a spinoff franchise that killed the company and made them turn in to a degenerate shell of there former self.
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People are people. Everyone is within their rights to like/hate/love/dislike any fictional franchise as people tend to get emotional.
Hell, I ain’t except from the emotional aspect of humanity in general.
However, just because you see people hate on Fate doesn’t mean there aren’t people who enjoy Fate as well.
I generally ignore the biased opinions because how they feel about a fictional verse is simply a opinion.
Basically, it is a opinion shared by specific amounts of people.
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Hm... it seems that Fate/Extra Record Arcueid's design (her clothing, at the very least) is inspired a bit more by her design in Tsukihime: A Piece of Blue Glass Moon, but her hair does seem to be based on her original design.
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Elitism will unfortunately arise in any Fandom. (Referring to Fanbases more specifically)
Nasuverse isn’t immune to that as well.
From my perspective, I will simply let people enjoy any fictional work
This is unfortunately true as well.
I should know since I used to make a Cosmology blog regarding Nasuverse and it is out of date given the sheer amount of info to look into.
Well, more accurately, I tried to make a cosmological blog for Nasuverse myself in the past.
The results was decent at best, mid at worst when it comes to my effort especially I was doing it after I graduated from High School
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just that it gets a lot less people talking about its watch order or calling it confusing, which probably has more to do with the fact that it's less niche as a series. but I'm still gonna complain anyways.
and I agreed that it is confusing. I don't think I denied that.
It was less confusing when I didn't understand it, funnily enough.
sadly. it's just how it is sometimes.
Man I love Arcueid.
it might be the case. I just wanted to share my thoughts.
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I think in some cases Elitism or however one says it is good as it prevents overexposure and a work being degraded to appeal to the tastes of commoners.
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...What?
"The tastes of commoners" is CRAZY, it's just fictional media I promise no one's superior or inferior for something like this
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void shiki dies
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Gatekeeping is a different story as imo, it can work, but could also backfire if the intended purpose for said gatekeeping has been sullied.
It is unfortunate that gatekeeper is associated with elitism, but isn’t necessarily the case.
Could reword it with Gatekeeper as that is what I believe SilverKing is referring to....What?
"The tastes of commoners" is CRAZY, it's just fictional media I promise no one's superior or inferior for something like this
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not my queen
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True sometimes it does work if the purpose is kept in mind and works getting more recognition doesn't always mean a good thing. I can't tell you how many works have died due to overexposure and being tuned to pander to the masses who will eat up anything with said brands name because brand recognition. I am aware Gatekeeping can backfire horribly.
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You don't get it? alright,..What?
"The tastes of commoners" is CRAZY, it's just fictional media I promise no one's superior or inferior for something like this
Mahoyo's original 1996 light novel draft thats 400 pages long or something was a doujin
KNK the original 1998 novel is a doujin
Angel Notes is a doujin in 1999
Tsukihime the original is a doujin VN published at comiket in 2000
Kagetsu Tohya and Plus-Disc are doujin fan-disks
Melty Blood and all of it's sequels in the original canon are doujin stuff too. It's memed as the bathroom game because all of it's tournaments take place in shady alleys, parking lots at night, and ******* abandoned bathrooms.
Even DDD (Decoration Disconnect Disorder) is a doujin thing
TM stopped being a doujin at...... Fate and well it got more popular but lost it's original purpose and charm and normally some works do get better as they get more popular but TM is the opposite in my eyes. So in this case, in my eyes this popularity has doomed TM to being another mcu or dragon ball. Though if you like Modern Tm i don't give two ***** honestly enjoy whatever you want to i guess.
