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Yeah, I read a bit of the conversation and it seemed like that, but didn't mention it because I honestly don't want to fuel the discussion
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I brought up DB in response to you being a fan of it. Never used it as a powerscaling diss. Way to go about ignoring context.This guy neglected to mention he brought up DB first
You CANNOT talk about ignoring contextI brought up DB in response to you being a fan of it. Never used it as a powerscaling diss. Way to go about ignoring context.
What's bĺud waffling bout?You CANNOT talk about ignoring context
the over circular scaling, the use of a few calcs, some statements being used that probably shouldn't be, and some other stuffWhat's really wrong with the verse overall to warrant deletion? Like the calcs or the ratings are outdated from the bottom tiers to top tiers?
the inverse scaling is just awful all around, interview statements for scaling got rejected in a semi-recent thread and a lot of the profiles rely on those, if the servant parameter scaling gets removed that'd also just invalidate the justifications for a large number of profiles as well, the fact that a lot of them have barely changed since like 2017 aside from tier upgrades, there's a pretty sizeable amount of just straight-up headcanon too, the list goes on tbhWhat's really wrong with the verse overall to warrant deletion? Like the calcs or the ratings are outdated from the bottom tiers to top tiers?
No one specifically, but there is A LOT of passive aggressiveness here. I don’t feel comfortable pointing out an exact person, it’s just the general vibe here.Is this referring to tdjwo? If it is then it's best to put him on the blocklist considering his attitude
I don’t care if its jokes, jokes that are made with the intent to be passive aggressive or mocking others, intentionally or not, promotes an unhealthy community for a hobby.As for this, this is just a jokes shill lel, maybe because you are way more mature and veterans here hence you find it weird
I also find it weird at the first stance but goes along with it and it can be refreshing rather than having an heated debates 24/7 which is basically the current Nasuverse fanbase in this forum in nutshell
Let's be honest, any power scaling community has a **** ton of PasAgg - in the end, it is the case that if two people disagree, one of them is gonna be wrong, and people don't like that.No one specifically, but there is A LOT of passive aggressiveness here. I don’t feel comfortable pointing out an exact person, it’s just the general vibe here.
To me the main thing is that people still pretend like type-moon is one unified canon even though it certainly isn't and I feel the misinformation stems from there add to the fact nobody gets it in terms of messages, power scaling etc and people will act entitled even for headcanon.Let's be honest, any power scaling community has a **** ton of PasAgg - in the end, it is the case that if two people disagree, one of them is gonna be wrong, and people don't like that.
The Visual Novels / japanese media verses are specially bad in power scaling communities because 99% of people here don't speak japanese, and therefore rely on translations. Fate/Nasuverse, on this topic, is specially affected, as even the so called "official" translations/localizatons for Fate tend to be shit. When it is Nasu himself that is writting this is even worse because as far as I know (through japanese speaking people comments) he writes in a specially untranslatable way (neologisms and "puns" are pretty frequent, phrases that you literally cannot know who the **** each part of the sentence is refering to with certain, etc) and likes to use references and contexts that maybe even a japanese wouldn't know without looking up on google.
To me the main thing is that people still pretend like type-moon is one unified canon even though it certainly isn't and I feel the misinformation stems from there add to the fact nobody gets it in terms of messages, power scaling etc and people will act entitled even for headcanon.
Huh, also BTWYeah, this is definitely problematic, but I think that Nasu himself is to blame for this specific case in a way. If you have read Narita's epilogues in El-Melloi's, he (Nasu) is someone who tend to care little for consistency, what even Narita himself seemed to think was awkward at first and he has spent way too much lore on QTL / Parallel & Adjacent Worlds while trying to explain away the routes and the diferent "realities" of each work.
Nasu is stated to be a compulsive liar and admits to it. Meaning nobody should trust anything he says because he could be lying and I haven't even gotten in to how nasus ideologies are opposed to the ideologies of the older works.*19
Compulsive lying
His biggest lie in recent years was "The opening theme of 「Infinite RYVIUS」 was sung by Koyanagi Yuki."
Victim: Takeuchi.
In his teens, he even said "I'm an alien from planet liar, so I have to lie at least once a day or I'll die."
...we wish he'd just go back home. - Staff Roundtable - The Second Night
Huh, also BTW
Nasu is stated to be a compulsive liar and admits to it. Meaning nobody should trust anything he says because he could be lying and I haven't even gotten in to how nasus ideologies are opposed to the ideologies of the older works.
Really? huh thats what your concerned about I am concerned about people injecting Nasu's hilariously naive and immature worldviews in to the source material. Also i think that old canon having infinite amount of worlds is plausible anyways personally.I just want people to stop treating what Rin & Sakura said in FSN about Parallel Worlds/etc (infinite possibilities and etc) as "true"/Word of God... Two little girls who, even if prodigies by circustance, are jack shit in the grand scheme of things do not know anything about a topic that is literally the core of the Second Magic, please...
Araya Souren wins at the end of the day because the original Melty Blood seems to heavily imply that humanity loses and dies off.I just want people to stop treating what Rin & Sakura said in FSN OG about Parallel Worlds/etc (infinite possibilities and etc) as "true"/Word of God... Two little girls who, even if prodigies by circustance, are jack shit in the grand scheme of things do not know anything about a topic that is literally the core of the Second Magic, please...
The rest I can deal with, but this one strikes harder than Shirou "never had circuits and literally made his nerves be circuits, and that's correct", which is also terribad
Not even concerned, it's just that the print with the mirror moon translation and withotu any idea of what the original what actually could imply/be translated as has been used so many times that I don't have the patience anymore. I think I've seen mirror moon translations of Rin/Sakura things been used more than 40-50 times, sometimes the person seems to not know basic FSN worldbuilding, but all times they never care about what the original work actually says, they argue the translation.Really? huh thats what your concerned about I am concerned about people injecting Nasu's hilariously naive and immature worldviews in to the source material. Also i think that old canon having infinite amount of worlds is plausible anyways personally.
Nah the older works were not written by him as he gets wrong things about them such as saying stuff like Mikiya is the strong one and Ryougi is weak.Not even concerned, it's just that the print with the mirror moon translation and withotu any idea of what the original what actually could imply/be translated as has been used so many times that I don't have the patience anymore. I think I've seen mirror moon translations of Rin/Sakura things been used more than 40-50 times, sometimes the person seems to not know basic FSN worldbuilding, but all times they never care about what the original work actually says, they argue the translation.
The early naivety of Nasu is expected, the earlier works are from late High School in essence. Maybe they aren't even that Nasu himself has said Worldviews (word that carries a lot of weight for Magecraft and in TsukihimeRe, actually), but the "glasses" the story is told by.
because that man was literally worthlessIf mental strength alone were decisive, why did Enjou fail to defeat Araya?
Exactly but Nasu the moron thinks Enjou could've won if he just picked up a sword.because that man was literally worthless
I dont think he means that literally, more likely he is refering to the recurring theme of humans as a "tool using species" that is, by itself, weak.Exactly but Nasu the moron thinks Enjou could've won if he just picked up a sword.
I get that but with nasu's track record in how many basic plot points of series he supposedly worked on he failed to properly get I am suspicious of him and his relation to the older works (aka the only ones I care about since I have no interest in the schlock that is the modern canon).I dont think he means that literally, more likely he is refering to the recurring theme of humans as a "tool using species" that is, by itself, weak.
But I do see your point.
I don't completely agree with Nasu statement there, but I think I understand what he is refering to. Overall, he still wrote really complex and layered male and female characters, but he could just as well personally think he incurred in X or Y error.
Sure, I'll continue this in PM's and explain what i mean further.I dont think he means that literally, more likely he is refering to the recurring theme of humans as a "tool using species" that is, by itself, weak.
But I do see your point.
I don't completely agree with Nasu statement there, but I think I understand what he is refering to. Overall, he still wrote really complex and layered male and female characters, but he could just as well personally think he incurred in X or Y error. Maybe his own wording was bad, or his impression is different from the others for many reasons, but I think that is such a blunder.
But @TheSilverKing14 could you elaborate on the worldview you think is naive in Melty Blood? I understand the "fatalist" position the work overall takes is well, fatalistic, but in other works before and around that time he put forth very diferent worldviews and outside of the works, himself, has always been known for "Humanity can do anything." (Which has been mistranslated as Humanity is Omnipotent)
That's the reality of current vsbw, if you can't adapt or growing the thick skins over mocking and shit talking then you may as well just remain silent or minding your business with the niche franchise and your friends circleI don’t care if its jokes, jokes that are made with the intent to be passive aggressive or mocking others, intentionally or not, promotes an unhealthy community for a hobby.
Yes I know trash talking in video games exist, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. It’s totally fine to disagree and debate; there’s such thing as voting and agreeing to disagreeing.
I think the main problem of VSB right now is that people feel way too entitled about their opinions and when people do not agree with them, they will eventually resort to passive aggressiveness. This is not only in the Nasuverse fandom in this wiki; Touhou, DmC, Mario and others seem to have this problem.
Of course, not everyone’s like this, and I don’t want to believe this can’t change. For every annoying person, there’s good people, I want to believe that. To strive for that, just being polite, dropping the “I’m always right” attitude, and not resorting to passive aggressive actions will really help make this forum feel less suffocating.
Says the person crying about me being "toxic" or "mean" everytime.That's the reality of current vsbw, if you can't adapt or growing the thick skins over mocking and shit talking then you may as well just remain silent or minding your business with the niche franchise and your friends circle
It's [Demerit] of being nasu fan and power scalerNo one specifically, but there is A LOT of passive aggressiveness here. I don’t feel comfortable pointing out an exact person, it’s just the general vibe here.
Appeal to Authority fallacyI guess Nasu or theologists also cooked up nonsense with their philosophical doctrines You are definitely smarter
At this point, why are you even wasting your time here if you don't believe in dimensional tiering or r>f?
Almost? In the OG there was an option to give up to his instincts and do it afaik. Though I didn't choose it when I played it, so idk if it is an option where "he gives up but ends up controlling himself" so it does not end up in pure rapeI don't what you all arguing about, but I'm just having fun playing Tsukihime: A Piece of Blue Glass Moon. If you haven't played it yet, go buy it and play it! It's great so far.
I'm actually pretty surprised that the scene where Shiki (under the influence of Arcueid's Mystic Eyes and his own unknown, underlying... issues) almost r*pes Arcueid was kept in. I guess it works since it shows Shiki at his lowest point right after Arcueid was at her lowest point.
As it should beYeah in the OG Shiki can just full on r*pe Arcueid. Results in a bad end though
As it should be
Almost? In the OG there was an option to give up to his instincts and do it afaik. Though I didn't choose it when I played it, so idk if it is an option where "he gives up but ends up controlling himself" so it does not end up in pure rape
Don't forget that she does it to Shirou too in the same bad ending!Tsukihime Fans when I tell them about how in FSN Sakura can r@pe Rin using her black goo in HF
I think it's pretty ironic how loyal Rider is to Sakura, yet she does this (the same applies to her sex scene in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia). It's even more ironic considering what happens in the most famous version of Medusa's story (though, Fate doesn't really go with it).and how Rider did the same earlier in the route through the dream.
Rider and Sakura are hypocrites and worthless scum and no amount of tragic backstory fuel will ever make me budge. And yea Medusa is a horny milf indeed but Sakura is one of the ******** in fiction I have seen (any official one).Don't forget that she does it to Shirou too in the same bad ending!
I think it's pretty ironic how loyal Rider is to Sakura, yet she does this (the same applies to her sex scene in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia). It's even more ironic considering what happens in the most famous version of Medusa's story (though, Fate doesn't really go with it).
I didn't start it was the other guys I joined it.Why are we discussing rape in a powerscaling forum