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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)
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Appreciate the effort theoretical put into that thread. It's always a pleasure to read coherent and well formatted response.
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Is it going to be scaling them to Divine Spirits?
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So according to Deag it's not allowed, as for how your going to have to prove you've been collaborating with Theoretical on this "upgrade crt thread", you'll have to figure that out somehow.
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Technically they should be higher than that too but that's part of the reason, yeah
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Cool.
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I'll make a thread for it eventually. Just waiting to see if the FSN and Zero revisions are happening first. If not then I'll try towards the end of the year.
There's a lot to go over for Dead Apostle scaling that I'm surprised was never picked up on until more recently, but I'll hold off for now.
I would hope it's not controversial since IMO its pretty straightforward stuff
Tdjwo
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I don't have to prove nothing tho. There's no way anyone can know for certain if I'm gonna be collaborating with Theoretical or not.
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Well then you're just going to have to wait for Theoretical ban to expire then for that specific crt thread of Theoretical that he made (or you and him both made).
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I’m sorry, but to me this one reeks of obvious “I hate modern Fate, only Tsukihime and other classics are good”.
I don’t mind if you hate Fate and like Tsukihime, after all, to each their own. But saying “tastes of commoners” is… wild.
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I mean I am in a group of people that dislikes this kind of stuff for a variety of reasons but we all dislike it in our own ways. Also, your acting as if those fans are somehow toxic for saying that when they are valid in saying such a thing.
Look at this even, even Nasu admitted how veteran fans found the direction of the franchise shallow and utterly worthless so this ain't just me saying this or being a contrarian. But, as I said your free to do whatever man.
ShinyMagicalGirl
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Yup, this is SMT vs Persona all over again.
What a pity. Oh well, to each their own I suppose.
It’s sad for me as someone who enjoys both modern and classic Nasuverse, but we can’t win everything. Personally, I still like FGO even if its “for commoners”.
I suppose this exists everywhere, even in stuff like Pokemon. Generational divide and all that.
What a pity. Oh well, to each their own I suppose.
It’s sad for me as someone who enjoys both modern and classic Nasuverse, but we can’t win everything. Personally, I still like FGO even if its “for commoners”.
I suppose this exists everywhere, even in stuff like Pokemon. Generational divide and all that.
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Never said you have to be me but your free to do whatever I suppose.
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That thread’s lost me at this point, I lost track of what even was being argued as I read the Tier 0 thread. Last I recall was smth with the Mooncell. Its a very complicated subject and I guess he just wanted the thread to be over with. I think the other Tier 0 thread is already done but this one isn’t yet. Tbf I don’t even know what’s the main arguments for and against it anymore lmaoBro got banned cuz they couldn't handle the competition. #Freemyguy
Tdjwo
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I already told Ultima to conclude the thread when it was still manageable to follow but he didn't listen. No one is willing to agree with one another and now staff members wouldn't even want to evaluate the thread anymore. And the thread already has 4 staff members who agree with only Deagon disagreeing. What was the point of wasting more time?
I swear this only ever happens with Nasu threads. Other threads would have been long concluded by now.
Tdjwo
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I don't have to wait for anyone's ban to end the following year. Why would I do that? I haven't decided if I was gonna use theoretical's point or not. It could be my own.
ShinyMagicalGirl
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I agree, but I also wanna be fair to Deagon’s side since Tier 0 is a monumental upgrade. So it’s only fair if people do scrutinize the verse even if it others seem to think it is in line with the new standards.
I think the best thing to do is to summarize all the points that point to Tier 0, then summarize the points that do not point to Tier 0. Also add in the points to explain the sides of each, and possibly link the answers if the thread already answered it. Then when all are gathered, then other Staff members can fully evaluate it without having to read all of the massive pages one by one.
And iirc you’re all also waiting on the raws so that should help. And on the Marshadow thing, idk them but if they really are banned then I don’t know if them using a proxy is allowed by the site rules?? I’m unsure.
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Pretty sure they said that a blog of why it reaches be Tier 0 should be made.
ShinyMagicalGirl
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That’s fair, a fully detailed and well made cosmology blog for the entire TYPE-MOON franchise is necessary at this point. Maybeeeeee the Tier 0 buff so soon kinda jumped the gun too quick? Idk. Either way, let’s let the experts and the Staff members handle it, since we normal users can’t comment on the thread itself (and its not like I’m more of an expert than the others)
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Well yes you do if your going to straight up post theoretical's crt, though if your going to post your own version for the same proposal there shouldn't be any problems.
Tdjwo
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It's really not a big deal at all. I've seen the other Tier 0 threads. Absolutely nothing as catastrophic as the Nasu one. And that is saying something considering the reason there are 8+ pages on this nasu thread is due to one staff member while other threads have like 6+ staffs yet no problems within the thread.
We would have done that a long time ago if it weren't for Deagon claiming he has "more things he would like to talk about" and prolonged the thread. Also, pretty sure most of the raw scans have been provided already. Nothing was done with it tho despite Firestorm asking for it.
Honestly, Marshadow's part doesn't even matter. It's not like his points really mean anything. All he's said has always been what he's been saying before he even got banned. He think Arc is the most powerful type moon character. He also thinks Tohno>Ryougi.
Tdjwo
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Well, ur gonna have to prove that I'm using theoretical scaling. Like I said, I might/might not use it but no one can proof if I did or not.
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if all goes well, it'll happen shortly after the official tl of FSN. Shouldn't take too long to grab all the scans I have now again, just have to focus on going through HF, HA, and Zero in the meantime.
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bro no one can debunk marshadow
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Forgot to ask, but I take it you've read Strange Fake? What's your opinion on that statement? Its really only a portion of the argument for the 27 Ancestors scaling high but I'll just hold off on the rest for now until a crt is made.
(And sidenote but Imo its one of the better Nasuverse light novels. Maybe first or second).
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I have in fact read Fate/strange Fake, and I think it's great.
As for the statement, I think it's pretty legitimate. The main reason I think it's fine is because I've talked with some people off-site about it, and there was a bunch of other evidence that was brought up to support it.
Basically, I think upgrading the Dead Apostle Ancestors (or just the high-ranking Dead Apostles in the Fate timelines) is perfectly fine.
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We were too incult to not understand the might of 1-A Irisviel.
They will be able to reach Low 1-C possibly 1-C ?
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I think there's a very solid argument to make for it.
Ironically there's been evidence for it a good while now, just Nasu's Word of God about how strong they are (low Servant level) just made people not look into the inverse scaling. Its like how Roa at his peak has always been a high tier, but was only noticed a few years ago.
But yeah, a CRT will eventually be made for it down the line.
ShinyMagicalGirl
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Question btw
Is the Throne of Heroes located in the Root itself? That always confused me.
Is the Throne of Heroes located in the Root itself? That always confused me.
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I don't know. I always thought it was "near" the Root, but not in it.
Tdjwo
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No it's not. It's located outside the world just like the Root.
Things outside the world.
- Throne of Heroes
- Outer Universe (Sut-Typhon)
- The Swirl of The Root
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Hey, Yog-Sothoth should be now Low 1-A bc' of Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 2
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Yog-Sothoth Low 1-A (Nasuverse)
Hello. In this thread I want to brought up Yog-Sothoth from Nasuverse. Since BDE Type 2 was changed and now it grants at least Low 1-A, then Yog-Sothoth should has this tier on the page. Here's profile Here's major statements Agree: Neutral: Disagree: @Grabbing_dragon @BestMGQScalerEver...
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What other evidence do you have for higher tier Dead Apostle Ancestors?
Like I said, I've seen some of it, but I haven't seen it all.
I'd like to help, especially since I've been playing through Tsukihime: A Piece of Blue Glass Moon, and it gives the Remake timeline Ancestors some high tier scaling of their own, which may scale to the original timeline.
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The fact many can fight Arcueid, the strongest true ancestor like Wallachia, Roa-SHIKI, Dead Apostle Sion, Altrouge, Blackmore, Whitewing though in the case of the former two they scale to her sister who is her equal, Nrvnqsr Chaos who has a few feats and statements that get him above red arc aka her at full power (not AE). Roa in his prime is so far above everyone on the 27 DAA list it doesn’t matter also Strout another DAA is a rival to DEATH aka a stronger Shiki Tohno who surpasses his original Nanaya self from Tsukihime one who had minimum training.
KingNanaya
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it would have been easier to compile all of the Nasu profiles with type 2 BDE and then have them all in the same CRT. Faster too.Yog-Sothoth Low 1-A (Nasuverse)
Hello. In this thread I want to brought up Yog-Sothoth from Nasuverse. Since BDE Type 2 was changed and now it grants at least Low 1-A, then Yog-Sothoth should has this tier on the page. Here's profile Here's major statements Agree: Neutral: Disagree: @Grabbing_dragon @BestMGQScalerEver...vsbattles.com
Overlord_Darkness
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Maybe. I know only about Abby
KingNanaya
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it's fine. once yours is concluded, I'll make my thread
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Why don’t characters like Gugalanna have profiles btw? The bull has enough feats in Strange Fake.
