Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Arc7Kuroi]

The joke is I think both arguments are bad, and it’s even funnier now that I have to explain the joke

 

[SlendVeny]

The joke is I think both arguments are bad, and it’s even funnier now that I have to explain the joke

I was explaining why one argument was better.

 

[karo_senpaii]

it's highkey good supporting evidence tho
If I saw claims like it being its own planet and its chakra being stated immeasurable in a series Id be more inclined to accept the god tiers being 5B (assuming they use appropriate proof for 5B to begin with)

Even if we take the info as factual, the sensory team are making that claim that in relation to the chakra on earth it has the chakra similar to a small planet. It's just chakra amount on a small planet in terms of people

 

[karo_senpaii]

friday night arc

 

[Samlex1234]

Nah, this is just "it has a lot of chakra" vs a guy being stated to destroy the world. 5-B WB Is more like that Kurama statement.

Yep, could be interpreted as Whitebeard having the potential to destroy the society, based on his Devil Fruit's abilities. However, the statement isn't strong enough to fully support a planetary-level Whitebeard. With more solid evidence, I wouldn't hesitate to back that claim.

However now with hindsight, kurama having the potential to destroy a planet is no longer outrageous.

 

[Samlex1234]

Guys, what do you think about calculating the energy from Might Guy's final attack? I know we’ve already determined the speed to be relativistic, but we could also explore the energy generated from bending space.

I'm thinking the final attack's force comes from this space-bending feat. Though no body would scale as both madara and guy almost died from the feat. However it will be a way of scaling Night Guy

 

[Deceived3596]

Gran Rey Cero goonery, but for Naruto instead.

 

[Samlex1234]

Gran Rey Cero goonery, but for Naruto instead.

Cope

 

[Deceived3596]

Good luck with getting that accepted bubba.

 

[Samlex1234]

Who said I was planning to create a CRT? I'm just thinking out loud and sharing my thoughts to spark some discussion.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Do you have a calc for it smalex

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Even if we take the info as factual, the sensory team are making that claim that in relation to the chakra on earth it has the chakra similar to a small planet. It's just chakra amount on a small planet in terms of people

....that's why I said supporting evidence

 

[MinatoSparkle]

you cannot group VIZ as one malicious organisation that intends on plaguing anime with invalid translations,

I never said anything about it being purposeful, I'm just saying that they have made numerous mistranslations and that they shouldn't be taken as gospel

a lot of the major issues that used to exist in the early days dont exist anymore,

A lot of the problems I mentioned are more recent, especially JJK

the person that translated sakura's novel is Jocelyne Allen and they have experience of working in THOUSANDS of similar projects for years, it's absolutely disrespectful to say they don't know what they're talking about just because someone other person from years ago made some mistakes

Do you think someone translating thousands of projects is gonna get every sentence in every project perfect? Especially considering this isn't necessarily an incorrect transaction as orders of magnitude could've been meant to be hyperbolic.

We can let the translators from this forum decide if it's downright invalid or makes sense because machine translations or dictionary definition checking can never disprove human translators

I somewhat doubt that they'll respond as they often haven't in the past but sure I can give it to them. Also

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What are your thoughts? Does it say several orders of magnitude faster?

Uh...heh heh, on the subject of FTL+ Naruto...
ドラッグにより強化された術は、一度目に見たときに比べ、速さも破壊力も数段増しているのがわかった。
She could tell that the technique, enhanced by the drug, had become much faster and more destructive compared to when she first saw it.

And uh, even the initial orders of magnitude statement seems to actually just mean one
「―あまり洗練された姿とは言えんが、ケタ違いに強くなったことだけはわかるだろう?」
―I can't say it's a very refined form, but you can tell it has become of a different order of magnitude in strength, right? (I needed to mention the order of magnitude definition to even get this translation, automatically Chat GPT just says ridiculously stronger)

There will be future upgrades!
Sorry for raining on ur parade even more

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I never said anything about it being purposeful, I'm just saying that they have made numerous mistranslations and that they shouldn't be taken as gospel

A lot of the problems I mentioned are more recent, especially JJK

Do you think someone translating thousands of projects is gonna get every sentence in every project perfect? Especially considering this isn't necessarily an incorrect transaction as orders of magnitude could've been meant to be hyperbolic.

I somewhat doubt that they'll respond as they often haven't in the past but sure I can give it to them. Also

What are your thoughts? Does it say several orders of magnitude faster?

Not once in my claims have I said they're perfect, I'm saying as far as human translators go she would be very strong in case of translations and I'd pick that translation over someone putting answers into a machine to cheat their way into translating, something every expert translator agrees isnt enough and no just because you're looking up definitions doesnt mean it doesnt have the same issues as machine translations as they do more or less the same thing

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

What statement do you want me to look at Sparkle

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Not once in my claims have I said they're perfect, I'm saying as far as human translators go she would be very strong in case of translations and I'd pick that translation over someone putting answers into a machine to cheat their way into translating, something every expert translator agrees isnt enough and no just because you're looking up definitions doesnt mean it doesnt have the same issues as machine translations as they do more or less the same thing

I think this isn't gonna go anywhere so I'll just put the raws in the translation thread later and we'll see how it goes (although I still fail to see how a phrase can just appear out of thin air if literally none of the japanese words or phrases have that meaning)

What statement do you want me to look at Sparkle

ドラッグにより強化された術は、一度目に見たときに比べ、速さも破壊力も数段増しているのがわかった。

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

The WB statement is equivalent to the Madara, “Break All Things” Statement.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah it pm says that AP and speed are both amped by the drug several steps. I don't know if that was the scan Test used, but either way that sentence is just highkey implies that speed and AP got the same amp anyway, so I don't think this changes anything about the CRT's conclusion.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yeah it pm says that AP and speed are both amped by the drug several steps. I don't know if that was the scan Test used,

It is

but either way that sentence is just highkey implies that speed and AP got the same amp anyway, so I don't think this changes anything about the CRT's conclusion.

Eh I don't necessarily disagree but does the initial statement even say several orders of magnitude?

「―あまり洗練された姿とは言えんが、ケタ違いに強くなったことだけはわかるだろう?」

 

[MinatoSparkle]

(just for the record I don't oppose FTL+ Naruto, I just don't want it to be implemented via wonky methods)

 

[Samlex1234]

Do you have a calc for it smalex

relativistic kinetic energy for a character with a mass of I assume 70 kg moving at 90% of the speed of light.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I think this isn't gonna go anywhere so I'll just put the raws in the translation thread later and we'll see how it goes (although I still fail to see how a phrase can just appear out of thin air if literally none of the japanese words or phrases have that meaning)

That's how Japanese works I fear, there's a reason why they do it

If I tried reading the COTE novels with machine translation not a single thing will make sense and I had done that since some people were too lazy to hire real translators for y2v5 and ended up putting raws thru a machine which was such a big pain I ended up reading the summarised version

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

relativistic kinetic energy for a character with a mass of I assume 70 kg moving at 90% of the speed of light.

they have weights on no?

weights so heavy it causes a stadium to tremble for a good 3 seconds

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

relativistic kinetic energy for a character with a mass of I assume 70 kg moving at 90% of the speed of light.

That's gonna be like tier 7 fodder

It is

Eh I don't necessarily disagree but does the initial statement even say several orders of magnitude?

gimme a bit

 

[Samlex1234]

they have weights on no?

weights so heavy it causes a stadium to tremble for a good 3 seconds

I'm lowballing extremely. That should be the weight of an average man. If you have the original weight of guy, you can add it.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

That's how Japanese works I fear, there's a reason why they do it

If I tried reading the COTE novels with machine translation not a single thing will make sense and I had done that since some people were too lazy to hire real translators for y2v5 and ended up putting raws thru a machine which was such a big pain I ended up reading the summarised version

I've had that experience with Google Translate and DeepL but ngl Chat GPT tends to give translations that make quite a lot of sense and often line up with that of official translations in cases where that's available

 

[Samlex1234]

That's gonna be like tier 7 fodder


gimme a bit

Should be around 8.13 x 10*18 joules

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Should be around 8.13 x 10*18 joules

That's ass compared to where he scales now at like 10^29 to 10^31 joules (dont remember the exact number)

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Sparkle the other scan just says "an order of magnitude" (assuming you ripped the kanji out of the image correctly) but again idk if there's other instances where the amp is stated or if that's even the scan Test used.

 

[Samlex1234]

That's ass compared to where he scales now at like 10^29 to 10^31 joules (dont remember the exact number)

Makes sense. Though lowballed the feat, however I think it should still be around the same 10^29 or 31 range.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

My quick translations for Sakura:

ドラッグにより強化された術は、一度目に見たときに比べ、速さも破壊力も数段増しているのがわかった。= She observed that the jutsu strengthened by the drug was several levels more destructive and fast as it was previously.

and for Kido:

「―あまり洗練された姿とは言えんが、ケタ違いに強くなったことだけはわかるだろう?」= I can't say it's a very refined form, but you'll see it is an order/orders of magnitude more potent, right?

Now it's a little more complicated than just this tho. Since the word that translates to "an order of magnitude" is keta chigai, but the thing is plurality isn't something really baked into the Japanese language, like there's no "s" that you put on the end of words to make them plural, it's kind of context dependent, you wouldn't say "keta chigais" for orders, it's keta chigai for both an order and orders of magnitude. So, it isn't incorrect to translate it as "orders of magnitude" and then with the context of "several steps" interpreting it as several orders of magnitude, as we know that a step/level here is an order of magnitude from prior context. All of this is to say that VIZ's translation of "several orders of magnitude" isn't inherently incorrect, and normally if we just had the raws I'd say stay conservative and treat it as 1 order, but since the official english translates it to several, and that's not an incorrect way to translate it, Test's thread's conclusion is fine.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I'm lowballing extremely. That should be the weight of an average man. If you have the original weight of guy, you can add it.

I did some gooning with Kid Rock Lee's feat and multipliers and it ended up all the way into mid end Tier 6

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Sparkle the other scan just says "an order of magnitude" (assuming you ripped the kanji out of the image correctly)

That's what I was worried about

but again idk if there's other instances where the amp is stated or if that's even the scan Test used.

This is where Kido first went V2 and boasted about his strength which is what Test used

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

That's what I was worried about

This is where Kido first went V2 and boasted about his strength which is what Test used

Now it's a little more complicated than just this tho. Since the word that translates to "an order of magnitude" is keta chigai, but the thing is plurality isn't something really baked into the Japanese language, like there's no "s" that you put on the end of words to make them plural, it's kind of context dependent, you wouldn't say "keta chigais" for orders, it's keta chigai for both an order and orders of magnitude. So, it isn't incorrect to translate it as "orders of magnitude" and then with the context of "several steps" interpreting it as several orders of magnitude, as we know that a step/level here is an order of magnitude from prior context. All of this is to say that VIZ's translation of "several orders of magnitude" isn't inherently incorrect, and normally if we just had the raws I'd say stay conservative and treat it as 1 order, but since the official english translates it to several, and that's not an incorrect way to translate it, Test's thread's conclusion is fine.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

My quick translations for Sakura:

ドラッグにより強化された術は、一度目に見たときに比べ、速さも破壊力も数段増しているのがわかった。= She observed that the jutsu strengthened by the drug was several levels more destructive and fast as it was previously.

and for Kido:

「―あまり洗練された姿とは言えんが、ケタ違いに強くなったことだけはわかるだろう?」= I can't say it's a very refined form, but you'll see it is an order/orders of magnitude more potent, right?

Now it's a little more complicated than just this tho. Since the word that translates to "an order of magnitude" is keta chigai, but the thing is plurality isn't something really baked into the Japanese language, like there's no "s" that you put on the end of words to make them plural, it's kind of context dependent, you wouldn't say "keta chigais" for orders, it's keta chigai for both an order and orders of magnitude. So, it isn't incorrect to translate it as "orders of magnitude" and then with the context of "several steps" interpreting it as several orders of magnitude, as we know that a step/level here is an order of magnitude from prior context. All of this is to say that VIZ's translation of "several orders of magnitude" isn't inherently incorrect, and normally if we just had the raws I'd say stay conservative and treat it as 1 order, but since the official english translates it to several, and that's not an incorrect way to translate it, Test's thread's conclusion is fine.

That seems like a slight leap to say that the levels are referring to the orders of magnitude mentioned at an earlier time but tbh I'd rather not make a downgrade CRT based on language nuances so I'm just gonna leave it, if someone else feels strongly about it they can make a thread about the subject

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Base War Arc Naruto is Packing up BoShippuden Second State Sasuke, huh?

 

[Ped2018]

(just for the record I don't oppose FTL+ Naruto, I just don't want it to be implemented via wonky methods)

You're not a true powerscaler, old testament Arc would already had three rejected threads by now.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Base War Arc Naruto is Packing up BoShippuden Second State Sasuke, huh?

VERY badly

 

[AnimesFreak2]

You're not a true powerscaler, old testament Arc would already had three rejected threads by now.

Much like YHWH

Arc has decided to become a softer guy in this New Testament

 

[Luxxy_Ethereal]

You might wanna pipe down on pushing out CRTs, a lot of the stuff you're tryna say we already know and these are things that are either accepted or debunked
If we keep on spamming god tier CRTs 100 times a week it'll make our standing weak, it's best to slowly build up consistency and check if the arguments you are using has been tried before and why they were rejected before

Alright, I understand that. I hope we need to discuss things together first before taking action, to avoid repeating the same mistakes. And I want to convey that I agree with Kaguya being 2-C, as Samlex mentioned.