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Counter point to you all
My word>>>>>Yours
My word>>>>>Yours
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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All Imma say is while I pretty much stopped debating for higher Naruto tiers until Boruto actually solidifies this shit IN THE MANGA ( god damn it Kishi...Ike.... )
It doesn't matter what tier yall think ETSO is
The idea that it takes 15 years before it finally finishes goes makes no ******* sense cause Kaguya would not use an attack that would take DECADES to fire off if she trying to kill Naruto and Sasuke and get away
Like it doesn't even make sense narratively as a baseline
At MOST it should not take more than a few minutes, even trying to say hours is just dumb asf lmfao
I ain't calling you dumb mind you but I just hate this argument of "we have no timeframe for ETSO" so ******* much every the time I hear it
I understand your concerns, however, The Slayer said it all. The only situation where the timeframe would become irrelevant is if you scale the ETSO to 3-A to 2-C, then such a calculation would no longer be applicable or meaningful.
HelloThere1089
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^Correction: High 3-A at least
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I might make a CRT
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@HelloThere1089
Do you mind if I run it by you before posting it? “If” I make one.
Do you mind if I run it by you before posting it? “If” I make one.
HelloThere1089
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If I can help, sure.
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I would love to see it too
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We jammin'
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CRT plans are dead before my fingers even hit keys…
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CRT plans are dead before my fingers even hit keys…
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CRT plans are dead before my fingers even hit keys…
Damn, not even a few hours and bro gave up smh
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Upgrade for Kaguya Otsutsuki to Multi-solar system 4-A.
- Upgrade Kaguya Otsutsuki to 4-A Kaguya is at least at the level of a solar system or higher, as a Multi-Solar System level. Fans often underestimate the power of the Naruto verse to planetary levels, so I will first prove that Kaguya should be at the solar system level. [...vsbattles.com
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Where does Zabuza say Haku’s skills surpass his and Kakashi’s? I see the viz page where he says Haku’s skills surpasses his own but nothing about Kakashi. And Kakashi does say he basically allowed Zabuza to injure him to set him up for the summoning.
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Zabuza is comparable to Kakashi even if there isn't a statement for Haku being > Kakashi.
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- In the same scene where Zabuza admits Haku is better than him, he states this right after saying even IF Kakashi could beat him Haku was much better and he couldn't win with Kishi even having Sakura reiterate in her head "The Masked Boy is so powerful even Kakashi can't beat him?!"
- Also upon meeting him the first time with Zabuza's "death", Kakashi immediately realizes Haku is stronger than him even stating this to Naruto and Sasuke
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I see. I deadass didn’t catch Second part of Zabuza’s dialogue and skipped Sakura’s…
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Ah, it was said BEFORE the Zabuza statement about himself, not AFTER. Also, that Zabuza statement isn’t as rock solid as we all think.I see. I deadass didn’t catch Second part of Zabuza’s dialogue and skipped Sakura’s…
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Btw… do we consider Naruto Characters as being able to lower their durability when holding back?
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many people do.
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So Sasuke kicking the blood out of Haku’s mouth is a Outlier or Haku holding back?
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They use chakra to amp their durability as well as their ap so yeah lower durability as a result of holding back chakra is quite possible. The sasuke own I have no comment on that. Although recently I saw an opinion that they should be scaling to zabuza water clone which is stated to be 1/10th the original
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This is a no-no.
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Why though? It’s Narrative based powerscaling. We couldn’t ask for better from Kishi.
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Wouldn't you like to know
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There is no specific evidence that Kaguya destroyed all of her dimensions. However, the narrative suggesting that she can rewrite reality with her ETSB implies that she is capable of destroying entire dimensions and creating new ones. Her ETSB could destroy the core dimension, which is connected to five other dimensions. Thus, her ETSB would potentially destroy many dimensions through a chain reaction of the core dimension's destruction.I mean not to discredit the CRT, but what is this argument below?
“Honestly, claiming that the combined Dimensions of Kaguya are only at Multi-Solar System size is underestimating her because Kaguya can create as many as she wants, showing that she can create even more at will.“
Where is your evidence that Kaguya created her dimensions?
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Fallacies
One thing to keep in mind, is that even if someone is using a fallacy, it does not necessarily mean that their argument is not true. It merely means that they are attempting to argue for it improperly. These are the examples that apply to this wiki, with the original list written by Endless...vsbattles.fandom.com
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Kaguya says, "This is my Dimension." Isn't that enough evidence? Plus, Black Zetsu says, "This is the beginning of a new Dimension," indicating that Kaguya is capable of creating a new Dimension with her ETSB.I mean not to discredit the CRT, but what is this argument below?
“Honestly, claiming that the combined Dimensions of Kaguya are only at Multi-Solar System size is underestimating her because Kaguya can create as many as she wants, showing that she can create even more at will.“
Where is your evidence that Kaguya created her dimensions?
Please read the contents in the link below before creating any new CRT (It helps). If you need help, I can give you my discord ID.
Fallacies
One thing to keep in mind, is that even if someone is using a fallacy, it does not necessarily mean that their argument is not true. It merely means that they are attempting to argue for it improperly. These are the examples that apply to this wiki, with the original list written by Endless...
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Oh, yes, can someone provide me with a thread on Speed FTL+ Naruto? I saw on his profile that Naruto has been upgraded to FTL+, and I’m curious about the content of the thread.
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Sakura: Love and Lightning
This is a hopefully much better remix of my first CRT on this site Premise A thread to apply the (in)famous "orders of magnitude" multiplier from the Sakura Hiden Novel. More specifically, for speed. Without further ado, let's get right into it. Credits to the Akatsuki members who...
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I'm not looking to debate this topic, as I support 2-C ETSO. However, if someone were to challenge you, they might argue that Kaguya is simply fond of claiming things as her own, including existing dimensions. There’s likely a scan that mentions her referring to Earth as her 'nursery' or world, which could suggest she adopts existing domains rather than creating them. I know that ETSO can destroy and recreate her dimension, however, we have no proof she can create as many as she pleases.
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This shit pisses me off
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I'm lowkey proud of myself that I've never used that argument to prove any sort of scaling for Narutoverse
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So apparently the otsusuki clan was monitoring toneri but like kaguya was never on their to do list?
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That won't work
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You might wanna pipe down on pushing out CRTs, a lot of the stuff you're tryna say we already know and these are things that are either accepted or debunked
If we keep on spamming god tier CRTs 100 times a week it'll make our standing weak, it's best to slowly build up consistency and check if the arguments you are using has been tried before and why they were rejected before
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Planetary WB level argumentation
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it's actually much more ass than planetary WB
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it's highkey good supporting evidence tho
If I saw claims like it being its own planet and its chakra being stated immeasurable in a series Id be more inclined to accept the god tiers being 5B (assuming they use appropriate proof for 5B to begin with)
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Nah, this is just "it has a lot of chakra" vs a guy being stated to destroy the world. 5-B WB Is more like that Kurama statement.
