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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Her MS projects Amaterasu that's derived from Natural Energy instead of her own chakra! Brilliant! Truly a unique spin on a fan favourite
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Can anyone that does calcs answer this question?
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The answer is.
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That truly is an answer
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She teleports people into the Amaterasu dimension, call that Amui
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Or Kamaterasu, but that's too cool of a name.
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Nevermind, apparently that name means "unmarried Chinese girl"
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What are ur thoughts on this implying Gaara isn't supersonic, particularly since Dosu is stated to be calculated and that he won't fight a battle that's unfavorable to him?
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He was wrong.What are ur thoughts on this implying Gaara isn't supersonic, particularly since Dosu is stated to be calculated and that he won't fight a battle that's unfavorable to him?
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Jiraiya doesn’t have to match Gamabunta’s Ratio or Output for that Combination. It’s Toad Oil which is said to already be highly flammable.
Also, I’ve said this before but ST is variable in strength. You’d have to prove the ST used in SM Naruto (Whom he was holding back against) was at the same level he used to Blast Away Gamatrio.
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I think it’s BS if Naruto doesn’t retain his Healing Factor for the same reason Kishimoto stated Gaara kept his Sand Manipulation in DB3 Q&A Section.
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Gaara's sand manip isn't just from Shukaku, it's also from his mom, right?
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Nope. His Mom is the Reason Sand Automatically protects him. His direct control over sand was because of Shukaku.
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Btw… Do we think Shikamaru Tanked this or Evaded this?
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Doesn't the anime show him get hit by it?Btw… Do we think Shikamaru Tanked this or Evaded this?
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Considering the way the databook describes the jutsu, I think you do.
合図、即実行。両者には阿吽の呼吸が求められる。
Although either way, SM Naruto definitely scales above Gamabunta given that he's above SM Jiraiya who's at least Orochimaru level.
He was literally wiling to bring Naruto as close to death as possible and was having trouble hurting him. Plus, he has great regenerative abilities as a jinchuriki, so there was no reason for Pain to worry about dealing mild-moderate injuries to Naruto. You need to really stretch it to argue Pain used less effort against SM Naruto the bigger threat than the Gamatrio.
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Remind me, does Gaara still control all sand, or just his gourd sand? And does he have to touch the ground with his body or his sand to use ground sand now?
Kankuro did coat his puppets in sand that he held in place with chakra at one point iirc, and the wiki is also telling me Shinki can use regular sand in the manga, idk how true that is.
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That doesn't say they're even, that's a speed comparison.Considering the way the databook describes the jutsu, I think you do.
合図、即実行。両者には阿吽の呼吸が求められる。
MinatoSparkle
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Mental and physical harmony can be interpreted as them matching chakra levels since chakra is comprised of mental and physical energy. Although I'm glad you brought up speed, cause that's even messier when you argue Base Bijuu scaling to WA Bijuu (leads to scaling chains like Base Naruto<~KCM1 Naruto)
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You quite literally can’t use post-6tails & 8tails transformation Assault Pain’s statements when he has exhausted all other options to justify his actions pre-6tails assault & 8tails transformation.Considering the way the databook describes the jutsu, I think you do.
合図、即実行。両者には阿吽の呼吸が求められる。
Although either way, SM Naruto definitely scales above Gamabunta given that he's above SM Jiraiya who's at least Orochimaru level.
He was literally wiling to bring Naruto as close to death as possible and was having trouble hurting him. Plus, he has great regenerative abilities as a jinchuriki, so there was no reason for Pain to worry about dealing mild-moderate injuries to Naruto.
Is Base Naruto > SM? Clearly the answer is no.
This is just faulty reasoning. Pain doesn’t have to hold back on Gamatrio, unlike Naruto. So you literally can't use that as justification.
This alone when Pain is holding back isn’t enough justification to claim his Physicals > Gamatrio.
And Clearly his last ST > This one.
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Now that’s a stretch. It’s flowery language found throughout the DB.
Quick Question… Does Shukaku scale to the TBB calcs in your Opinion or is he disqualified via not being Rinne/Shari enhanced?
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The point is just that he's willing to injure Naruto, and there's little risk involved in that considering he can heal fatal wounds
Um those clones got cooked by ST and Naruto himself barely remained standing despite being hit from a distance with clones as backup.
He doesn't have to hold back on Naruto to the point that it does no meaningful damage and he can get up immediately afterwards. And you didn't address Pain having trouble hurting Naruto.
Because?
On its own maybe it's not concrete, but given that it's consistent with how combination ninjutsu is commonly portrayed it just lends credence to something already pretty likely. Also what about the Orochimaru point?
No, though I think there are extenuating factors besides those like the jinchuriki amp and them being amped by Obito
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Springtime of Youth
Hi Opening the Gate of Death grants you dozens stat amp on whatever your previous physical stat was The least possible value for this is 24 Agree: Neutral: Disagree:
2. tbh going by that their display of duels as eternal rivals probably did not extend to competing with raikiri and gates. They definitely always duelled base to base. I'm just showing how technicallly Kakashi can always still match him for the most part.
3. This is really wrong actually. Not only as haku just literally allowing himself get punched by Naruto bro was already weakened from literally spamming chakra draining kekkei genkai. Like dude was fast enough to blitz kakashi with a raikiri from where he was and save zabuza. Unless you think KNO Naruto could replicate same then it's wrong
4. The relativity in question is what you are contending but somehow you want to claim it here? The lack of feats here I what you tried to discredit guy some moments ago by calling pain fighting kakashi and guy not scratching kisame in base.
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Naruto w/o Kurama is a big hit tbh from an arsenal perspective:
- Likely no Healing Factor
- No TBB (Impacts his AoE Capabilities)
- No Chakra Cloaks or Arms (Impacts his enhancements & utility)
- Reduced Chakra Capacity
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1. Bro has has hashirama cells so he still got some.
2. Technically he should still be able to use stuff like tailed beast rasenshuriken from other tailed beast but who knows if he still could at this point.
3. Yeah big loss
4. Also a loss but he'd be fine.
Added loss no kurama to help power sage mode. So his sage mode is not as powerful and he has to rely on clones to absorb which means he can't get too disoriented or the clones would dissipate
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Yeah. I mean, “personally” I think Kurama is insignificant to Naruto’s AP/Physicals due to having Six Paths Chakra still (With him only taking a hit to the Arsenal reasons discussed). I know some people have reasons to disagree with that, but still. I just feel like, Kishimoto and ikemoto haven’t given any thought to the specifics of Naruto’s Powersets
The narrative is pushing the notion Naruto doesn’t have “superhuman strength” without Kurama which implies Naruto would be below his KCM forms, which is directly at odds with how it’s written Naruto up to that point. The only way I could see this being the case is if Naruto “Doesn’t” have Six Paths Chakra anymore, which makes no sense unless Kurama’s Chakra grew to become Superior to Hagoromo’s chakra, which is unlikely.
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Doesn't Zeno have resistance to paralysis incentive? Goku had it, I'd expect Zeno to have it too, to be honest.
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I've always had the interpretation Naruto needs Chakra of each Tailed Beast to enter Six Paths Sage Mode.
If he can't enter the form without Kurama's Chakra, that kinda supports that Headcanon.
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So, regarding Kyuubi Chakra, do we consider it additive the stronger the shinobi is?
Example:
Meaning that for say, if a Ninja was equally as strong as Kurama, would Kurama’s Chakra be “additive” for that Ninja, instead of a “Multiplier”?
Example:
- LoW Base Naruto is =< Base LoW Sasuke whom is > 1/10th Zabuza.
- Haku is > LoW Kakashi / Zabuza.
- Kn0 was more than a 10x Amp for Naruto whom went on to Dominate Haku brutally.
Meaning that for say, if a Ninja was equally as strong as Kurama, would Kurama’s Chakra be “additive” for that Ninja, instead of a “Multiplier”?
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If a Ninja had as much chakra as Kurama, adding Kurama's Chakra to their own would still kinda be a multiplier?
Kurama's Chakra is just stronger than your average Shinobi's. So the volume and power would increase.
Kakashi speculated his Kamui was at least 3 times stronger using Kurama's Chakra.
