MinatoSparkle
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Oh but to answer in this context specifically I'm kind of doubtful since Naruto and Kurama aren't working together. We know for example that in KCM1, Naruto entirely shelves his own chakra when using KCM
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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I’m not just asking for Minato’s sake and that doesn’t answer the question either. We’ve discussed this and I’m not going back i to greatest detail on it, but suffice to say, Minato’s scaling has a foundational argument that can drastically change it on this wiki, depending on the argument and presentation of facts (Some may disagree, and that’s fine, but that wasn’t the root of the question I asked).
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Doubtful in that it would remain the same or lessen? Outside of the KCM example of course for that reason.
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MinatoSparkle
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What I'm saying is that KCM Minato being relative to BSM Naruto is indicative of Kurama chakra not just being a linear amp. Even if Base Minato is stronger than KCM2 Naruto as you think, he's certainly not so much stronger that he's close to KCM2 Naruto with Sage Mode. He'd have to be like 19x stronger than KCM2 Naruto at least.I’m not just asking for Minato’s sake and that doesn’t answer the question either. We’ve discussed this and I’m not going back i to greatest detail on it, but suffice to say, Minato’s scaling has a foundational argument that can drastically change it on this wiki, depending on the argument and presentation of facts (Some may disagree, and that’s fine, but that wasn’t the root of the question I asked).
Doubtful that it'd be a multiplier.
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Hashirama Cells>>>>Fiction
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I don't believe so. It would make them stronger, letting say Naruto make an even bigger Rasengan, by virtue of having an increased well of energy but if his chakra was already as strong as Kurama's it wouldn't make him stronger, like in your example.
Unless Naruto "links" to that Chakra. That seems to make their Chakra stronger by virtue of that link.
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I have a question for you all.
How do you speculate Kurama Sage Mode works?
Does Naruto infuse his own Chakra and then links his Chakra to Kurama's or does he do it in reverse?
Essentially, the question is if Naruto and Kurama's Chakra both turned into Senjutsu Chakra or just Naruto's.
How do you speculate Kurama Sage Mode works?
Does Naruto infuse his own Chakra and then links his Chakra to Kurama's or does he do it in reverse?
Essentially, the question is if Naruto and Kurama's Chakra both turned into Senjutsu Chakra or just Naruto's.
HelloThere1089
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Isn't Kurama's chakra just NE? Even if Kurama's chakra is infused with NE, it'll just be a mixture of two types of NE, not senjutsu chakra.
Every mode in Naruto is a combination of PE, SE, NE.
SPSM = Naruto's PE+SE+ Hag's PE+SE+NE
KCM = Naruto's PE+SE + Kurama's NE
Naruto = Naruto's PE+SE
Sage Mode = Naruto's PE+SE+NE
Every mode in Naruto is a combination of PE, SE, NE.
SPSM = Naruto's PE+SE+ Hag's PE+SE+NE
KCM = Naruto's PE+SE + Kurama's NE
Naruto = Naruto's PE+SE
Sage Mode = Naruto's PE+SE+NE
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How Tailed Beast Chakra works is utterly confusing but I haven't found or recall a statement saying it contained natural energy.
HelloThere1089
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10 Tails was stated to be just NE in the war iirc. And since Kurama was split from the 10 Tails, I assume that he's just NE too. Of course I'm not sure. Maybe Hagoromo's COAT made it so Kurama as more than just NE, but even then, his chakra should already be Senjutsu. It makes some sense for Kurama to have NE too, considering too much of Kurama's unchecked chakra changes Naruto's physical appearance just like NE does to sages depending on who they learned SM from.
MinatoSparkle
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He can do it both ways, but they should both end up with the same result of (Naruto + Kurama) x Sage ModeI have a question for you all.
How do you speculate Kurama Sage Mode works?
Does Naruto infuse his own Chakra and then links his Chakra to Kurama's or does he do it in reverse?
Essentially, the question is if Naruto and Kurama's Chakra both turned into Senjutsu Chakra or just Naruto's.
I don't think he's just nature energy considering KCM2 Naruto can't damage Juubito
HelloThere1089
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Even if he's some parts NE, that should still be Senjutsu chakra which should hurt Obito. Why is didn't tho is beyond me.
MinatoSparkle
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Maybe the Bijuu chakra is only NE when all merged together
HelloThere1089
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That just.....makes absolutely no sense. So it must be true.
MinatoSparkle
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Never underestimate the power of working together 
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You actually just came to the same conclusion I did like 4 years ago.
HelloThere1089
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Believe me I've had my issues with the chakra system and jutsu system for a loooong time now. So this isn't anything new. Chakra maybe one of the most diverse energy systems out there but it sure has it's glaring inconsistencies.
HelloThere1089
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Proposal: Hagoromo converted the 10 tails NE into tailed beasts PE and SE using COAT in a way where it switches back to NE when combined. This explains why tailed beasts have intellect unlike the 10 tails due to having SE. The Shinju also gained intellect once their energy composition was altered. They likely started to produce SE.
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if u say it in the right order it becomes PENESE
HelloThere1089
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And that ladies and gentlemen is the secret to godhood!
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Technically ikemoto might be pushing the narrative that naruto's main six path source is having all tailed beast chakra and as such a pseudo tentails (i share same sentiment as I suspect that's why Naruto had 9 balls specifically). So loosing one tailed beast totally i.e kurama breaks it and h is no longer a pseudo 10 tails jinjuriki so his mains source goes bye bye
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1. I just gave you other means for them to be relative. You're the one ta brought "in character" into this. I just followed suit. Also I know they are relative, I don't argue that. You're the one trying to pick and choose where to apply he statement by saying it can't be base but at full power and your points are based on skeptical feats but when I try and use feats for 7th gate guy you fall back to the statement..how about we just say everyone was fully aware of guy going 8th gate and they were still regarded as equals and place kakashi relative to him?
2.yea I'm going to take manga over databook.
3. Yeah haku was the first character to be both resolved amped and mentally nerfed. You acknowledge the latter and just ignore the former. Edo haku also fought guy and lee. KNO Naruto is getting smoked and one shoted.
4. By that logic guy also just upscales to kakashi feats also we should deduce statements if not kakashi would also upscale to 8th gate guy
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Hello.
It seems like a lot of the Naruto verse's Imgur image links need to be replaced, as the current ones do not work anymore.
Maurbor
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MinatoSparkle
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I was gonna make the same joke
In character in an actual fight, not friendly spars
Because the databook refers to their true strength
Because we have Kakashi's statement that Guy surpassed him with the 8th Gate to clarify that their relativity is only up to the 7th Gate
There's no contradiction to this in the manga, there are just things that could make the position less likely.
I don't ignore the former. KM0 Naruto being above mentally nerfed Haku and Haku in general aren't contradictory. Although I do doubt that Haku was mentally nerfed when Naruto wasn't at risk of death at all at that point and Haku was the one fighting for his life
Base Guy and Lee, no proof that they're above KM0 Naruto without the Gates. Plus, that was with a long distance to react.
Yes and via preponderance of evidence, Kakashi and Guy with access to Gates 1-7 are relative, if not with a slight edge to Kakashi given Kakashi being stated to be Konoha's strongest ninja/jonin multiple times.
MinatoSparkle
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I think those will be gradually replaced with other revisions for their pagesHello.
It seems like a lot of the Naruto verse's Imgur image links need to be replaced, as the current ones do not work anymore.
Maurbor
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I'll try to help replace stuff if it has a reference page, like it informs the chapter and page number. But it would be later, not now.
HelloThere1089
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Guys this is my first ever CRT. All inputs will be appreciated:
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Smartest Scarecrow in fiction: Kakashi intelligence overhaul
Hello there. Never thought I'd have to make a CRT, but Kakashi's intelligence section was just straight ass. Mf's weakness section was bigger than it. This is my sandbox of Kakashi's intelligence section: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:HelloThere1089/SmartestScarecrowInFiction Special...
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Man I'm tiredI was gonna make the same joke
In character in an actual fight, not friendly spars
Because the databook refers to their true strength
Because we have Kakashi's statement that Guy surpassed him with the 8th Gate to clarify that their relativity is only up to the 7th Gate
There's no contradiction to this in the manga, there are just things that could make the position less likely.
I don't ignore the former. KM0 Naruto being above mentally nerfed Haku and Haku in general aren't contradictory. Although I do doubt that Haku was mentally nerfed when Naruto wasn't at risk of death at all at that point and Haku was the one fighting for his life
Base Guy and Lee, no proof that they're above KM0 Naruto without the Gates. Plus, that was with a long distance to react.
Yes and via preponderance of evidence, Kakashi and Guy with access to Gates 1-7 are relative, if not with a slight edge to Kakashi given Kakashi being stated to be Konoha's strongest ninja/jonin multiple times.
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MinatoSparkle
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Domain Expansion: Infinite Keyboard StaminaKaro:
Sparkle:
This will be me in like a week
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