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He was not going to REMAKE THE PLANET
I disagree with anybody outside of the brothers and Kaguya scaling to it but if we agree it's the deva path's power doing it then it should be fine
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Naruto planet lvl upgrade 2 electric boogaloo
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Did you mean that the Earth's surface is mostly water? The Earth itself is almost entirely rock and metal.
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Ok then what exactly do you think the novel mean when it said he used the tenseigan to repair the destroyed planet?
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Im pretty sure he planned to use the Tenseigan to revive the planet or something
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The surface ye. Even vaping a planet is barely 5b so any lower form of destruction like pulv wouldent be 5b.
Anyway, is there really nothing to imply toneri would overcome the earth's gbe with LOJ or sum else?
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Cool.
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well he says his gonna destroy the planet with LoJ sooo….
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Number one it never said that he used or planned to use the tenseigan to revive the planet. It says it was a capability of the tenseigan to do so. And as it's most likely thought of that Hamura used his tenseigan to make the current moon inhabitable, via the oceans and forests and such, it could mean the same thing.
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He never said he was gonna destroy the planet. He said destroy the Sage's world with the light of justice, and every time he says the sage's world, he means the people.
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That’s just a straight up untrue
That is also untrue. I literally put together an entire argument against this line of thinking in the op
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"Using the powerful ocular ability of the tenseigan, even a destroyed planet Earth could be revived"That’s just a straight up untrue
He's not saying "I need the tenseigan specifically to do this". He's saying "this is a capability of the tenseigan".
"This should be 5-B with how much emphasis there is to the destruction of the planet itself. And of course this should scale to all the other god tiers in the verse."
It's a horrible argument
There is no emphasis to the planet's destruction at all.
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“To create a world with peace where chakra is not used as a weapon—Toneri said that Hanabi giving up her byakugan would be a sacrifice for this noble goal.”
He was literally justifying taking hanabi’s eyes to revive the planet after its destruction
I like how you just didn’t respond to the argument in the op at all and only attack my conclusion and write off the entire argument.
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"To create a world" doesn't mean to "revive a planet". Hagaromo made the shinobi world but he didn't change the geographical structure of the planet at all.
If your conclusion doesn't rightfully summarize everything then it's a shit conclusion.
No.
The phrase "destroy the earth" is never stated in the entirety of the novel. Ever.
We see what he's doing. Propelling the moon towards earth and the fragments rain in on the planet. The scientist see that and their thought isn't "the planet will be nuked", it's "humanity would die, and possibly all life including animals too".
If the moon was supposed to destroy the ******* planet, they wouldn't question if it was going to destroy only some of the life on the planet.
Kakashi's only knowledge of it is that the surface would be destroyed and that everybody would die, yet he noted that small portion of the planet as "the earth".
Did the Raikage imply the earth can sleep now?
No.
You're taking every statement talking about the world as "planet earth" when that isn't the case.
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The depends on the context, and given the context that’s exactly what he means
It did what the hell are you talking about?
So you just didn’t look at the evidence I presented at all.No.
The phrase "destroy the earth" is never stated in the entirety of the novel. Ever.
We see what he's doing. Propelling the moon towards earth and the fragments rain in on the planet. The scientist see that and their thought isn't "the planet will be nuked", it's "humanity would die, and possibly all life including animals too".
If the moon was supposed to destroy the ******* planet, they wouldn't question if it was going to destroy only some of the life on the planet.
Kakashi's only knowledge of it is that the surface would be destroyed and that everybody would die, yet he noted that small portion of the planet as "the earth".
Did the Raikage imply the earth can sleep now?
No.
You're taking every statement talking about the world as "planet earth" when that isn't the case.
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Not a single scan you posted showcases "complete planet destruction"
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Ya I guess the scans I showed don’t count cuz reasons
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I just checked them for the third time. They all do nothing but restate the same claims of "ahhhh the world and the earth".
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KT not only do we accept hag changed the geographical structure of the earth but if he didn't need to do all that then both hanabi and her eyes would be pointless"To create a world" doesn't mean to "revive a planet". Hagaromo made the shinobi world but he didn't change the geographical structure of the planet at all.
If your conclusion doesn't rightfully summarize everything then it's a shit conclusion.
No.
The phrase "destroy the earth" is never stated in the entirety of the novel. Ever.
We see what he's doing. Propelling the moon towards earth and the fragments rain in on the planet. The scientist see that and their thought isn't "the planet will be nuked", it's "humanity would die, and possibly all life including animals too".
If the moon was supposed to destroy the ******* planet, they wouldn't question if it was going to destroy only some of the life on the planet.
Kakashi's only knowledge of it is that the surface would be destroyed and that everybody would die, yet he noted that small portion of the planet as "the earth".
Did the Raikage imply the earth can sleep now?
No.
You're taking every statement talking about the world as "planet earth" when that isn't the case.
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No toneri specifically explained what he wanted to use hanabi eyes I.e his tenseigan for and he said it was to revive he earth back after the aftermath. He specifically said this in the movie
Number two
In his fight against naruto in the movie he said "the sage of six path world is a failure", then right after said "I'm going to destroy both you and the earth " . This wasn't with light of justice and he specifically says earth right after talking about the sage world
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No way in hell we accept that bs
He said he would "pick up the ashes and create a new world". The wording of the people I'm arguing with are saying it like he was going to merge back a completely disassembled planet.
Read the last 2 pages
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No problem then because propsal 2 is only about Kaguya scaling to the feat.
When Slayer created that thread about Hag moon feat lore, he proposed it was done by his deva path abilities which was unanimously agreed upon so "it being done by the deva path" is already accepted. But I don't know if figuring out who else scale to the feat outside Ham & kaguya should be done in this thread as it is already bloated. I will leave it to the OP since this is not my thread.
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That should be done in another thread
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This is the Slayer's proposal which was agreed upon in case you find it too bothersome to go through the thread given it is extensive. It was proposed in the 8th paragraph of the Conclusion sub heading of Component 2 spoiler box
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Slayer did an entire thread about this, it involved nunoboko, Arc created the calc. It is why Juubito is High 6-A
I share the same sentiments
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Um no it’s not, it’s about Kaguya and other god tiers scaling off of it(or atleast those that scale or downscale from kayguya)
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Ok, thanks for the clarification. If proposal 2 gets accepted, are you planning on writing the Low 5-B justifications for those God tiers in this thread or you will make another thread covering that? Because getting the chain scaling accepted is one thing while writing new justifications for all God tiers which will go to their updated profile is another?
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Actually no I don't agree with scaling peeps to the telekinesis. I just made a thread not too long ago about not scaling characters to their ninjutsu, and the deva path wouldn't be an exception
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what about Kaguya solely? Hag who could perform a Low 5-B feat admitted inferiority to his mother. A Low 5-B character won't claim they are inferior to a Moon level character (Yep the wiki has Kaguya scaling to just 88.74 exatons without the use of TSO)
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It is what it is and Currently we do.
On that part I'm neutral coz a completely disassembled planet seems like a stretch but what I'm saying is the tenseigan power he wanted in his eyes was for him to fix something he knows he is going to break. Logically if all he needed to do was crash the moon in earth, kill all life and wait a while for the environment to stabilise he wouldn't need hanabi eyes , the tenseigan treasure was enough, he went through all that and the risk of interference with the plan because he specifically needed that power to "bring the earth back to normal" after what he planned to do.
Now whether the damage he was going to do was big enough to disassemble the planet, that part I can't say
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I'm not sure how this prevents Kaguya from scaling above hagoromo
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I mean do we not already scale people to Kaguya?
If kayguya can take what hags can dish out I see no reason not to scale people that can actually damage her
Last time I checked earth is a planet. And there are statements that specify planetary destruction. But if you want to ignore that I guess I can’t do anything about it
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@The_one_you_least_expect Could you add me in as Disagree to all three proposals?
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Done
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"even a DESTROYED PLANET EARTH could be revived"
"I will DESTROY THE SAGE WORLD, that has fallen into darkness"
"END THE WORLD of the Sage of the Six Path"
Prove how those doesn't imply planetary destruction please
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"World of the Sage of Six Paths" means the Shinobi World. Hagoromo did not create Earth.
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And? What are you trying to prove here? (Fun fact: the Shinobi World is the whole planet itself, also called "Earth")
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If you don't mind me asking, what are your issues with the Low 5-B proposal?
1. Outlier
2. Hagoromo's statement doesn't include TK
3. Kaguya fight Hags doesn't scale to moon throw Hags
4. All of the above
So i can try to address your concerns
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Dosen’t matter, toneri considers the earth and humanity a part of the sages world
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2 and 3. Based on the current evidence it looks too speculative for a solid rating for Kaguya.
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Is it? I sincerely doubt that.
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