Moon Movement 5-B to Naruto-Verse UPGRADE (Let's do this again but right :D)

[Ghostimuscrime]

I've gone through UchihaSlayer's response to the OP, and so far I'm more convinced by his post than the arguments of the OP or the responses to him.

I wish to know which particular reasoning is making you lean towards him and not us

 

[REX9097]

Naruto 5-B is not real ​

 

[Samlex1234]

So right now, we have 2 in favor and 2 against

Though considering the 2 staff votes in favor were done before Slayer's counterargument, might be worthwhile to call them again;

@DarkDragonMedeus @Catzlaflame can you read the following if you are able to?


Effing same

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I haven't fully read OP and the counterarguments yet. Will give my thoughts in a bit.

we will not give up hope.

 

[Ar1216789]

we will not give up hope.

things are looking bad

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

no wait, I think we got a good panel that refutes all the lore based debates

 

[MasqueTLDF]

no wait, I think we got a good panel that refutes all the lore based debates

"and he was never seen again..."

 

[Samlex1234]

"and he was never seen again..."

He is cooking something…… hold on. This is the evidence of all evidence

 

[JohnHendrix212]

no wait, I think we got a good panel that refutes all the lore based debates

I'm gonna run around my neighbourhood with my c*ck and balls hanging out if this gets passed at this point.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Ok I think all of his lore arguments are destroyed with this


Slayer's OG crt says this

The current calc assumes that both the formation of the moon AND the hurling of the moon into orbit are both parts of the technique. It basically assumes that the >technique is invoked, the moon forms, and then just sort of automatically drifts into space via the technique until it's placed into orbit.

Slayer argues a moon is made, Hags takes Juubi in himself and sometime later scatters the bijuu and pops gedo mazo back in the moon and then shoots it out. For him to be correct the two jutsu MUST be treated as separate techniques by the narrative. But as seen here

the creation of the SPCT as well as the celestial body transfer are both parts of the same jutsu as said by zetsu showing us the result

This is consistent as the other panel I sent yesterday says the same thing SEALED AWAY AND BLASTED INTO THE SKY which results in them saying IT BECAME THE MOON right below

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so that means his interpretation is wrong and that the moon was made and shot into the sky as per the original calc together as suggested by the first calc,
Checkmate Lil bro

 

[Samlex1234]

Slayer's OG crt says this





Slayer argues a moon is made, Hags takes Juubi in himself and sometime later scatters the bijuu and pops gedo mazo back in the moon and then shoots it out. For him to be correct the two jutsu MUST be treated as separate techniques by the narrative. But as seen here

the creation of the SPCT as well as the celestial body transfer are both parts of the same jutsu as said by zetsu showing us the result

so that means his interpretation is wrong and that the moon was made and shot into the sky as per the original calc suggested, I think this is checkmate

Wowww…. Lets gooooo

 

[Damage3245]

For him to be correct the two jutsu MUST be treated as separate techniques by the narrative.

I don't see how that would have to be the case.

Sasuke created the Chibaku Tensei sealing the various Tailed Beasts, and then later he was able to move them to a different location. So the same would apply for the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei as well; it was created and then could have been moved later on.

 

[Samlex1234]

I don't see how that would have to be the case.

Sasuke created the Chibaku Tensei sealing the various Tailed Beasts, and then later he was able to move them to a different location. So the same would apply for the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei as well; it was created and then could have been moved later on.

Well then that would separate feats and not one like the manga is saying.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

I don't see how that would have to be the case.

Sasuke created the Chibaku Tensei sealing the various Tailed Beasts, and then later he was able to move them to a different location. So the same would apply for the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei as well; it was created and then could have been moved later on.

Tbf, Sasuke's Chibaku Tensei and the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei are two entirely different things.

 

[Damage3245]

Well then that would separate feats and not one like the manga is saying.

I don't think the manga is saying that. No matter when it was moved into orbit, the jutsu did turn Kaguya into the core of the Moon. That's just what it became once the jutsu was used, regardless of location.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

He is cooking something…… hold on. This is the evidence of all evidence

dont set me up

I don't see how that would have to be the case.

Sasuke created the Chibaku Tensei sealing the various Tailed Beasts, and then later he was able to move them to a different location. So the same would apply for the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei as well; it was created and then could have been moved later on.

he's arguing creation and movement are separate actions, narrative says both are part of one jutsu

also ur talking about regular CT, it has 0 bearing on the six paths one which is called the most powerful seal

 

[Samlex1234]

dont set me up

he's arguing creation and movement are separate actions, narrative says both are part of one jutsu

also ur talking about regular CT, it has 0 bearing on the six paths one which is called the most powerful seal

Honestly chibaku tensel can also vary in potency. Pain chibaku tensel might not necessarily have the same potency as sasuke. Same with hago and ham Spct being better > than sasuke and Naruto.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I don't think the manga is saying that. No matter when it was moved into orbit, the jutsu did turn Kaguya into the core of the Moon. That's just what it became once the jutsu was used, regardless of location.

um damage i dont think youre attacking the main point, we all agree it involved sealing, we're saying the sealing and transfer are one connection action


while his says sealing is done and then a few years later he comes to shoot it out, implying years of gap between the two actions while manga says they are one connected action

 

[Damage3245]

um damage i dont think youre attacking the main point, we all agree it involved sealing, we're saying the sealing and transfer are one connection action


while his says sealing is done and then a few years later he comes to shoot it out, implying years of gap between the two actions while manga says they are one connected action

That's the point I addressed and disagreed with; I don't the wording necessarily supports that.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

That's the point I addressed and disagreed with; I don't the wording necessarily supports that.

and what is your reason for not thinking that? it's pretty clear cut and consistent

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

also I edited the original one and added another point in case you missed

 

[Samlex1234]

Ok I think all of his lore arguments are destroyed with this


Slayer's OG crt says this



Slayer argues a moon is made, Hags takes Juubi in himself and sometime later scatters the bijuu and pops gedo mazo back in the moon and then shoots it out. For him to be correct the two jutsu MUST be treated as separate techniques by the narrative. But as seen here

the creation of the SPCT as well as the celestial body transfer are both parts of the same jutsu as said by zetsu showing us the result

This is consistent as the other panel I sent yesterday says the same thing SEALED AWAY AND BLASTED INTO THE SKY which results in them saying IT BECAME THE MOON right below

​

so that means his interpretation is wrong and that the moon was made and shot into the sky as per the original calc together as suggested by the first calc,
Checkmate Lil bro

Wait it even says it was blasted into the sky and only then did it became the moon…
Honestly ggs We have the evidence from Obito that it was shoot or hurled, which honestly just takes out slayers arguments honestly occums razor would suggest we go with the only visual evidence of the feat also backed up by source materials it makes absolutely no sense for us to go with an arbitrary pseudo interpretation.

“SPCT is one feat that both creates a chibaku tensei and shoots it”

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Wait it even says it was blasted into the sky and only then did it became the moon…
Honestly ggs We have the evidence from Obito that it was shoot or hurled, which honestly just takes out slayers arguments honestly occums razor would suggest we go with the only visual evidence of the feat also backed up by source materials it makes absolutely no sense for us to go with an arbitrary pseudo interpretation.

“SPCT is one feat that both creates a chibaku tensei and shoots it”

its wraps, borderline irrefutable even

 

[Damage3245]

also I edited the original one and added another point in case you missed

In that extra panel you added, it's noted that the Chibaku Tensei was relocated into the sky and became the Moon after the Sage split up the Tailed Beasts within him and removed the Gedo Mazou from himself to seal within the Chibaku Tensei, which happened long after Kaguya's defeat and the initial use of the jutsu.

 

[Testarossa002]

Yeah, I don't know about that
The databook treats the creation and launching as different actions

The power of the Six Paths who created even the moon!!

When the Sage of Six Paths used it to seal Ten-Tails, it is said that Six Paths Chibaku Tensei was launched becoming the current Moon. By compiling such a large amount of chakra, it is possible to create a sealing orb the size of a Satellite.

Using Rinnegan, Nagato also tried to seal Nine-Tails with this jutsu.

Basically, the SPCT was launched to make the moon
For your interpretation to work, it should say "SPCT became the current moon"

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

In that extra panel you added, it's noted that the Chibaku Tensei was relocated into the sky and became the Moon after the Sage split up the Tailed Beasts within him and removed the Gedo Mazou from himself to seal within the Chibaku Tensei, which happened long after Kaguya's defeat and the initial use of the jutsu.

it says the body was sealed and then blasted, youre assuming it got sealed and then unsealed which makes no sense

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yeah, I don't know about that
The databook treats the creation and launching as different actions

Basically, the SPCT was launched to make the moon
For your interpretation to work, it should say "SPCT became the current moon"

Manga > Databook

and manga says they are one connected activity
the databook doesnt even contradict it, just cuz its not supporting doesnt mean its a defeater
all sources lead to it becoming the moon post blast which is a part of the jutsu

 

[Testarossa002]

Yeah, I don't know about that
The databook treats the creation and launching as different actions

Basically, the SPCT was launched to make the moon
For your interpretation to work, it should say "SPCT became the current moon"

Besides, you can't discredit Kurama's statement (who was there) while using Obito's tablet stone knowledge all to support the anime version of events which directly contradict Obito's version

Manga > Databook

and manga says they are one connected activity
the databook doesnt even contradict it, just cuz its not supporting doesnt mean its a defeater
all sources lead to it becoming the moon post blast which is a part of the jutsu

It's all fun to pick primary canon until it's to use the anime version over Kurama's that was in the manga

 

[Samlex1234]

Yeah, I don't know about that
The databook treats the creation and launching as different actions

Basically, the SPCT was launched to make the moon
For your interpretation to work, it should say "SPCT became the current moon"

Well it is one feat that performs two actions the databook does not contradict the feat. Read, it says it became the moon only after it was launched if not it is just another chibaku tensei


“it is said that Six Paths Chibaku Tensei was launched becoming the current Moon.”

“The power of the Six Paths who created even the moon!

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Besides, you can't discredit Kurama's statement (who was there) while using Obito's tablet stone knowledge all to support the anime version of events which directly contradict Obito's version

It's all fun to pick primary canon until it's to use the anime version over Kurama's that was in the manga

I'm sorry I do not follow, can you elaborate on the kurama part

it says the body was sealed and then blasted, youre assuming it got sealed and then unsealed which makes no sense

ADDING : I dont think there is evidence that the sealing and dividing the juubi thing was done long after the fight with kaguya

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Uhhhhhhh "sealed away and blasted into the sky" just doesn't mean "one action". That phrase COULD mean one action, but it can also just as easily mean two, as in "sealed away" AND "blasted into the sky" as two separate actions split by an AND. "And" definitionally just doesn't grant any inherent time scale.

 

[Damage3245]

it says the body was sealed and then blasted, youre assuming it got sealed and then unsealed which makes no sense

Yes... Hagoromo took the Gedo Mazou out of his own body and then sealed it away in the Moon.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Uhhhhhhh "sealed away and blasted into the sky" just doesn't mean "one action". That phrase COULD mean one action, but it can also just as easily mean two, as in "sealed away" AND "blasted into the sky" as two separate actions split by an AND. And definitionally just doesn't grant any inherent time scale.

you dont get it do you, that's not what I used to say they're together


Second scan + Test's listed DB entry say "sent into space-->became moon" so you dont get to pull arguments of "it became the moon in earths atmosphere"

and then the first scan says the most powerful seal does those two actions proving theyre done together and not YEARS LATER

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Second scan + Test's listed DB entry say "sent into space-->became moon" so you dont get to pull arguments of "it became the moon in earths atmosphere"

A moon is a natural satellite of a body. So, for something to be classified as a "moon" it would technically need to be in space orbiting its main celestial body, aka until the "moon" is put into orbit, it isn't technically a "moon". Or more simply, it can be completely created as a giant rocky sphere, but doesn't become a "moon" until it is sent into space to orbit earth.

Edit: but also I feel like that detail is a bit pedantic for either side, and end of the day is kind of a nothing point for either argument.

and then the first scan says the most powerful seal does those two actions proving theyre done together and not YEARS LATER

Two actions that correlate with each other don't have to happen within seconds, minutes, or even hours of each other. Things can happen together over grand timescales.

 

[Samlex1234]

you dont get it do you, that's not what I used to say they're together


Second scan + Test's listed DB entry say "sent into space-->became moon" so you dont get to pull arguments of "it became the moon in earths atmosphere"

and then the first scan says the most powerful seal does those two actions proving theyre done together and not YEARS LATER

Guys honestly lets take a moment to think about it. It actually makes no sense for Hagoromo to keep a chibaku tensei as big as the moon in earth stratosphere for years. What sense does it make even narrativly? . The same scan we are using omitted a lot of things about the Justu in it self the fact that Hamura also aided in it was not even mentioned in the databook

 

[Testarossa002]

I'm sorry I do not follow, can you elaborate on the kurama part

See the Kurama section of the OP

ADDING : I dont think there is evidence that the sealing and dividing the juubi thing was done long after the fight with kaguya

Uh, your own scan mentions how he did the dividing on his deathbed, which, given his longevity, is going to be a very long time since Kaguya was sealed

 

[Testarossa002]

Hamura also aided in it was not even mentioned in the databook

Hamura was listed as a user of the jutsu
Along with Naruto and Sasuke

 

[Samlex1234]

A moon is a natural satellite of a body. So, for something to be classified as a "moon" it would technically need to be in space orbiting its main celestial body, aka until the "moon" is put into orbit, it isn't technically a "moon". Or more simply, it can be completely created as a giant rocky sphere, but doesn't become a "moon" until it is sent into space to orbit earth.

Edit: but also I feel like that detail is a bit pedantic for either side, and end of the day is kind of a nothing point for either argument.


Two actions that correlate with each other don't have to happen within seconds, minutes, or even hours of each other. Things can happen together over grand timescales.

Broo this is what I have been saying a chibaku tensei as big as the moon is still just a chibaku tensei. The chibaku tensei only becomes a moon when it is in space. Every info we have about the justu mentions how it was used to create the moon not just some random moon sized Chibaku tensei sitting in earth stratosphere for who knows? How long

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yes... Hagoromo took the Gedo Mazou out of his own body and then sealed it away in the Moon.

I mean technically does it contradict the anime? your scan says he was in a near dead state no? which can happen without conflicting with anime events where juubi was sealed and we see 9 different baby bijuus like 2 minutes after the seal, I dont think its stated he physically yeeted gedo mazo inside the SPCT

 

[Damage3245]

I mean technically does it contradict the anime? your scan says he was in a near dead state no? which can happen without conflicting with anime events where juubi was sealed and we see 9 different baby bijuus like 2 minutes after the seal, I dont think its stated he physically yeeted gedo mazo inside the SPCT

Are you referring to a filler anime scene?