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[The_one_you_least_expect]

Examples?

I’m asking you dude

He used a hand sign before the orbs started moving. How do I prove something if it doesn't exist?

And? That wouldn’t stop him from using other justu. So you can’t prove your argument ?

 

[Golden_Void]

I’m asking you dude

You said your last statement like you had examples in mind. I'm asking you lol

And? That wouldn’t stop him from using other justu. So you can’t prove your argument ?

Did he use other jutsu?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

You said your last statement like you had examples in mind. I'm asking you lol

Um no I was asking you do to your claim of the ct

Did he use other jutsu?

Well ya his pulling over the CT’s

 

[Golden_Void]

Um no I was asking you do to your claim of the ct

Most CT users use the black orb, which is made from their chakra. Sasuke can use people as the cores if his chakra is connected to them.

Well ya his pulling over the CT’s

What is the jutsu name of this telekinetic ability?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Most CT users use the black orb, which is made from their chakra. Sasuke can use people as the cores if his chakra is connected to them.

Cool, now prove that there using some special tk to move them around

What is the jutsu name of this telekinetic ability?

Almighty pull

 

[Golden_Void]

Cool, now prove that there using some special tk to move them around

Shifting the burden of proof is crazy

Almighty pull

Evidence that's what was used?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Shifting the burden of proof is crazy

I have already gone out of my way to show that there isn’t any special tk they use on CT’s in the op. Your saying otherwise with nothing to back it up.the only one Shifting the burden of proof is you

Evidence that's what was used?

Well it’s one of his only tk abilities so it’s either that or the almighty push

 

[Golden_Void]

I have already gone out of my way to show that there isn’t any special tk they use on CT’s in the op. Your saying otherwise with nothing to back it up.the only one Shifting the burden of proof is you

Them using a special TK is literally the basis of your argument. "So for this section sasuke should be low 5-b with TK"

I said CT can only be controlled as long as the core still exists for the user to manipulate. Your argument is that they push things around with telekinesis outside of that ability.

Well it’s one of his only tk abilities so it’s either that or the almighty push

So there's no evidence?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Them using a special TK is literally the basis of your argument. "So for this section sasuke should be low 5-b with TK"

I said CT can only be controlled as long as the core still exists for the user to manipulate. Your argument is that they push things around with telekinesis outside of that ability.

It’s literally the exact opposite. By “special tk” I mean something that isn’t applicable in combat unlike the usual deva path abilities we know of

And I’m asking for proof of this special tk.

So there's no evidence?

well his only known tk abilities are almighty push and pull. If you have evidence to suggest otherwise then I’d like to see it

 

[KingTempest]

We got another one of these?

 

[Testarossa002]

I don't really find the arguments that his TK is just limited to his CT rather than deva path in general
I've watched and read naruto and i somehow missed the blatant statement of Kaguya>>Hags
This is not the same as ETSO scaling to Isshiki
This was a battle that took place for a very long time
As such, I agree with Kaguya scaling to Low 5-B AND Class Z lifting strength for withstanding the TK
Neutral on the Toneri section

 

[Damage3245]

As such, I agree with Kaguya scaling to Low 5-B AND Class Z lifting strength for withstanding the TK

What TK? Do you have any scenes of Hagoromo using TK on Kaguya?

 

[Testarossa002]

What TK? Do you have any scenes of Hagoromo using TK on Kaguya?

It's an inference
Hagoromo fought Kaguya for months
It doesn't make a lot of sense that he refrained from using an ability that will literally turn her into a puddle or at worst, incapacitate her.
It is further reinforced by Hags compassion for mankind
The fight put humanity at risk (Sinking continents, drinking oceans etc)
It doesn't make any sense that he would chose to not take oneshot actions against Kaguya

That and he admitted inferiority to Kaguya

 

[Golden_Void]

I don't see what any of that has to do with telekinesis.

 

[Stryker861]

Nuetral on proposal 1 and 2. Agree with proposal 3. It takes more assumptions to come to the conclusion that toneri is only surface wiping rather than blatantly destroying the earth especially with the context of statements.

 

[KingTempest]

With the context of statements, especially the statement of him and Hinata "waiting until the environment stabilizes", the context points to surface wiping.

Did none of you watch the movie? We've had threads about it. Toneri wasn't gonna nuke anything

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

With the context of statements, especially the statement of him and Hinata "waiting until the environment stabilizes", the context points to surface wiping.

Did none of you watch the movie? We've had threads about it. Toneri wasn't gonna nuke anything

Not really, further context from the novel refers to the planet itself being destroyed and the tensegisn remaking it. By “waiting until the environment stabilizes“ probably just means waiting for what’s left of the planet to cool off

 

[HelloThere1089]

While Tempest's argument does make sense and makes me want to switch to disagree, I do want to mention that in the dialogue that Toneri mentions stabilization after destruction of Earth, Hinata states that the moon will also be destroyed. The phrasing seems to point towards both Earth and Moon going through similar types of destruction. I can't imagine a scenario where the Earth and Moon collide and both of them only go through surface wiping destruction. Also there are too many "planetary destruction" statements to ignore. And the statement about the Earth being remade using ashes.

But yeah, using the word environment is weird.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

While Tempest's argument does make sense and makes me want to switch to disagree, I do want to mention that in the dialogue that Toneri mentions stabilization after destruction of Earth, Hinata states that the moon will also be destroyed. The phrasing seems to point towards both Earth and Moon going through similar types of destruction. I can't imagine a scenario where the Earth and Moon collide and both of them only go through surface wiping destruction. Also there are too many "planetary destruction" statements to ignore. And the statement about the Earth being remade using ashes.

But yeah, using the word environment is weird.

Tbh, with the way “environment” is used and what we know of toneri’s intentions his probably referring to the entire planet itself

 

[Daoist_Pepe]

I'm in agreement with Kaguya scaling to Low 5-B from Hag (Kaguya scaling to just 88.74 exatons without the TSO never made sense to me) I am neutral on toneri and in disagreement with the rest.

I don't see what any of that has to do with telekinesis.

Hag: While hag was severely weakened he performed the moon throwing feat that yielded Low 5-B
Also Hag: My mother is way powerful than me and any person

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What is hard to understand???

 

[Damage3245]

Hag: While hag was severely weakened he performed the moon throwing feat that yielded Low 5-B
Also Hag: My mother is way powerful than me and any person

The Hagoromo that performed that feat isn't necessarily weaker than the Hagoromo that fought Kaguya.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Alright. I planned on doing this sooner but I got stuck in irl business.

So in order for the moon to not only overcome the disintegration caused by the Roche limit, and have enough energy to destroy the Earth, according to my calculations, it needs to reach Earth from it's initial position in 1.3 hrs. Or in other words it needs to travel at the speed of a bit over 80000 m/s. Is there anything in the movie that suggests that the Moon sped up by the end? Because I don't think the entire movie only depicted less than 1.3 hrs of in universe time.

It has been a while since I have last seen the movie so if anybody could clarify this, it would be great. Until then I request to be shifted to neutral.

 

[Daoist_Pepe]

The Hagoromo that performed that feat isn't necessarily weaker than the Hagoromo that fought Kaguya.

He is tho but whether deathbed Hag is severely weaker than base Hag is not the point.

Crux: Hag despite being capable of that feat(Low 5-B) asserted that he was inferior to his mother; kaguya in terms of power. It is simple Damage.

Damage I will ask you this question, forgive me if its offensive:

If you are able to perform something "Superhuman" while severely injured yet claim inferiority to your father, why would you assume your father is weaker than you???

That's what we do on this wiki, we have Kaguya scaling to just 88.74 exatons without TSO which is significantly lower than the values Nardo and Sasu scale to. Kaguya was the strongest in shippuden, it goes against the lore Kishimoto established to put her below Hag, Nard and Sasu.

 

[KaydeeX]

I agree with Low 5-B Kaguya, I’ve said my qualms as to why she wouldn’t scale in the previous thread.

The Toneri stuff, won’t it by any means affect this thread

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The Hagoromo that performed that feat isn't necessarily weaker than the Hagoromo that fought Kaguya.

He is, like I had a whole piece of a section dedicated to how weak he was in his last moments

 

[Damage3245]

He is, like I had a whole piece of a section dedicated to how weak he was in his last moments

Weaker than his prime, sure, but that scene of him throwing the Moon into space presumably takes place decades after when he fought Kaguya. You're asserting he didn't get any stronger since then?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Weaker than his prime, sure, but that scene of him throwing the Moon into space presumably takes place decades after when he fought Kaguya. You're asserting he didn't get any stronger since then?

I’m asstering that after he started dying of natural causes, gave his power to asura, ripped the Bijuu and geto statue out his body, got paralyzed that in that moment he was way weaker then even his base self

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Alright. I planned on doing this sooner but I got stuck in irl business.

So in order for the moon to not only overcome the disintegration caused by the Roche limit, and have enough energy to destroy the Earth, according to my calculations, it needs to reach Earth from it's initial position in 1.3 hrs. Or in other words it needs to travel at the speed of a bit over 80000 m/s. Is there anything in the movie that suggests that the Moon sped up by the end? Because I don't think the entire movie only depicted less than 1.3 hrs of in universe time.

It has been a while since I have last seen the movie so if anybody could clarify this, it would be great. Until then I request to be shifted to neutral.

Wouldn’t the moon need to speed up after its distanguration?

 

[Damage3245]

I’m asstering that after he started dying of natural causes, gave his power to asura, ripped the Bijuu and geto statue out his body, got paralyzed that in that moment he was way weaker then even his base self

And yet that feat also happened to be several times higher than any feat performed by anyone else in the verse; there needs to be something a little more to establish consistency here in order for this to effectively upgrade so many characters.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Wouldn’t the moon need to speed up after its distanguration?

Wdym? What would be the point of the disintegrated moon to speed up? If the moon moves at 80000 m/s, it would destroy Earth before it has a chance to get disintegrated.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

And yet that feat also happened to be several times higher than any feat performed by anyone else in the verse; there needs to be something a little more to establish consistency here in order for this to effectively upgrade so many characters.

Kayguya’s etso say other wise. And it doesn’t matter if his still blantaly weaker then other characters. You do realize everybody is only scaled off of toneri’s moon cut for just 5-c right?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Wdym? What would be the point of the disintegrated moon to speed up? If the moon moves at 80000 m/s, it would destroy Earth before it has a chance to get disintegrated.

Mb, read your post wrong. In terms of the moon speeding up I’m not to sure. On the day the moon was supposed to destroy the earth, the moon wasn’t getting ripped apart by earths gravity anymore and this was after toneri took over so possibly

 

[Golden_Void]

I'm in agreement with Kaguya scaling to Low 5-B from Hag (Kaguya scaling to just 88.74 exatons without the TSO never made sense to me) I am neutral on toneri and in disagreement with the rest.

Hag: While hag was severely weakened he performed the moon throwing feat that yielded Low 5-B
Also Hag: My mother is way powerful than me and any person

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What is hard to understand???

You're the one not understanding, I'm talking about the ability.

 

[Daoist_Pepe]

@Golden_Void What were you saying about the ability since you claim I misunderstood you?

Edit: just remembered we can't ping people

 

[KingTempest]

Not really, further context from the novel refers to the planet itself being destroyed and the tensegisn remaking it. By “waiting until the environment stabilizes“ probably just means waiting for what’s left of the planet to cool off

To "cool off"?????

While Tempest's argument does make sense and makes me want to switch to disagree, I do want to mention that in the dialogue that Toneri mentions stabilization after destruction of Earth, Hinata states that the moon will also be destroyed. The phrasing seems to point towards both Earth and Moon going through similar types of destruction. I can't imagine a scenario where the Earth and Moon collide and both of them only go through surface wiping destruction. Also there are too many "planetary destruction" statements to ignore. And the statement about the Earth being remade using ashes.

But yeah, using the word environment is weird.

The moon will be destroyed because the moon is being torn apart and the entirety of the moon's fragments will tear into the surface of the earth.

Toneri's goal was never to nuke the planet. Saying that just ignores the entire concept of Toneri saying "I'm gonna destroy the Sage's world and use the earth for my own reasons"

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

To "cool off"?????

I’d think the planet would be pretty hot after having the moon rammed into no?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

To "cool off"?????


The moon will be destroyed because the moon is being torn apart and the entirety of the moon's fragments will tear into the surface of the earth.

Toneri's goal was never to nuke the planet. Saying that just ignores the entire concept of Toneri saying "I'm gonna destroy the Sage's world and use the earth for my own reasons"

The destruction of the sage’s world includes the destruction of earth. That’s kinda the whole reason he was gonna remake the planet after destroying it and all that

 

[KingTempest]

I’d think the planet would be pretty hot after having the moon rammed into no?

That would be the case if the moon was actually ramming into earth, which it wasn't.

The destruction of the sage’s world includes the destruction of earth. That’s kinda the whole reason he was gonna remake the planet after destroying it and all that

There is not a single place saying that Toneri was going to remake the planet. Ever.
Toneri was going to be in stasis when the moon came down, then he and Hinata would wait eons until the environment was habitable again.

If Toneri's plan was to completely destroy the earth, there wouldn't be anything to be habitable.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If Toneri's plan was to completely destroy the earth, there wouldn't be anything to be habitable.

Couldn't Toneri, Hinata and Naruto litterally breath in space tho?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That would be the case if the moon was actually ramming into earth, which it wasn't.

Ok then what exactly do you think he meant by waiting for the “environment to stabilize

There is not a single place saying that Toneri was going to remake the planet. Ever.
Toneri was going to be in stasis when the moon came down, then he and Hinata would wait eons until the environment was habitable again.

If Toneri's plan was to completely destroy the earth, there wouldn't be anything to be habitable.

That is blantaly untrue, he literally says he was gonna remake the planet and pull it from its “ashes”

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