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Literally in the op dude, read itScans?
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Literally in the op dude, read itScans?
There's even more scans supporting planetary destruction:"World of the Sage of Six Paths" means the Shinobi World. Hagoromo did not create Earth.
Are you suggesting these countries (where the whole series occurs) isn't part of the Planet/World?Is it? I sincerely doubt that.
Ok then do you have any evidence to suggest it wasn’t the deva path power that threw the moon into space? Base hags is above deathbed hags, that’s already been accepted on this site.2 and 3. Based on the current evidence it looks too speculative for a solid rating for Kaguya.
DoneBtw put me as agree for everything @The_one_you_least_expect
I can definitely see how the second one makes sense, but I'm conflicted on if Naruto is a reliable narrator.There's even more scans supporting planetary destruction:
"The Moon is on a collision course with Earth and it appears that there is nothing that can prevent TOTAL PLANETARY ANNAHILATION"
"I won't let the Earth get DESTROYED"
Crazy how that has literally nothing to do with what I said.Are you suggesting these countries (where the whole series occurs) isn't part of the Planet/World?
YeI can definitely see how the second one makes sense, but I'm conflicted on if Naruto is a reliable narrator.
Huh?Crazy how that has literally nothing to do with what I said.
Idk maybe to protect them from all the meteorsWhy on earth were they sending people into bomb shelters if they thought the earth was about to be blown up?
But reject this:Moon level (Madara was getting close to Hagoromo's power prior to increasing his power by absorbing the God Tree[147][148]. Getting close to Hagoromo's power implies Madara would be nearer to Hagoromo's level of strength than he would be far from it, thus he would be at least half as strong as Hagoromo. Madara's power far surpassed Obito's[149][Statistics Values 1])
Alright2 and 3. Based on the current evidence it looks too speculative for a solid rating for Kaguya.
Think carefully about what you said.Idk maybe to protect them from all the meteors
The above scans do seem to suggest more than surface wiping yea. Especially "total planetary anilation" partThere's even more scans supporting planetary destruction:
"The Moon is on a collision course with Earth and it appears that there is nothing that can prevent TOTAL PLANETARY ANNAHILATION"
"I won't let the Earth get DESTROYED"
Are you suggesting these countries (where the whole series occurs) isn't part of the Planet/World?
To save them from the meteors (Sasuke destroyed one)? They even planned on wiping out the Moon, they'd for sure expect fragements of the moons from falling. That doesn't change much to the feat tbhWhy on earth were they sending people into bomb shelters if they thought the earth was about to be blown up?
Annahilating implies completly obliderating the planetThe above scans do seem to suggest more than surface wiping yea. Especially "total planetary anilation" part
can anyone give me the TLDR
Most arguments agianst Hagoromo’s TK scaling hasn’t provided any evidence to suggest the usage of special tk that’s not combat applicable. There hasn’t been to much talk on sasuke’s tk scaling to Hagoromo’s. Discussion weather or not toneri was gonna destroy the earth or not has been the main talking point as of right nowcan anyone give me the TLDR
First, we have a direct statement2 and 3. Based on the current evidence it looks too speculative for a solid rating for Kaguya.
That's assuming he can actually use it on her that way. As far as I can tell, it's just his manipulation of the Chibaku Tensei that is that strong.As said earlier, it makes no sense for Hagoromo not to utilize an ability that's nearly 10x of Kaguya's power in a fight that took months.
You mean Boruto Era Sasuke doesn't use a vast majority of his kit, Shippuden Sasuke used his kit quite effectively when he could.Sasuke doesn't even use half of his kit, so I don't think that's a good argument.
He's never tried using Genjutsu against his opponents, despite there being a possibility of it working, nor does he use any of the Paths.
Pretty much one of my points. Sasuke never uses half his kit, but we're also expecting that Hagoromo uses all of his.Sasuke doesn't even use half of his kit, so I don't think that's a good argument.
He's never tried using Genjutsu against his opponents, despite there being a possibility of it working, nor does he use any of the Paths.
Sasuke never fought a single opponent for monthsPretty much one of my points. Sasuke never uses half his kit, but we're also expecting that Hagoromo uses all of his.
Pretty much thisTrue but I feel like although he may not have used it, I think the fact that he claims inferiority to her, would mean that regardless of what he could've or would've used his TK, regardless of if he actually did use it or not, it wouldn't have worked against her. That's how I see it.
Why is this important. Like what bearing does this have on kaguya scaling higher then his tkKaguya has a super move that is far superior to Hagoromo's TK. She doesn't need striking strength and durability superior than that to be better than Hagoromo.
It is your burden to prove Hag was accounting for ETSO when he asserted that Kaguya is more powerful than him & ham. Hag has no prior knowledge of ETSO, he and Ham fought a Kaguya that was in the form of a mindless and unstable kaiju, he even backs it up by saying the ten-tails/kaguya was on rampage trying to reclaim all lost chakra. Someone whose sole goal is to reclaim chakra immediately won't utilize an attack that takes 15 years to mature plus their fight happened on earth Kaguya would refrain from destroying her nursery.Kaguya has a super move that is far superior to Hagoromo's TK. She doesn't need striking strength and durability superior than that to be better than Hagoromo.
Granted but you're conflating Hagoromo's statement on Kaguya and his fight against the Juubi. Neither have anything to do with each other so I don't know why you're bringing up the Juubi fight.It is your burden to prove Hag was accounting for ETSO when he asserted that Kaguya is more powerful than him & ham. Hag has no prior knowledge of ETSO, he and Ham fought a Kaguya that was in the form of a mindless and unstable kaiju, he even backs it up by saying the ten-tails/kaguya was on rampage trying to reclaim all lost chakra. Someone whose sole goal is to reclaim chakra immediately won't utilize an attack that takes 15 years to mature plus their fight happened on earth Kaguya would refrain from destroying her nursery.
Kaguya is the juubi, Hag & Ham fought Juubiya This is basic Nard knowledge DamageGranted but you're conflating Hagoromo's statement on Kaguya and his fight against the Juubi. Neither have anything to do with each other so I don't know why you're bringing up the Juubi fight.
No kidding. My point is that Hagoromo didn't know that. Any statement he made about Kaguya has nothing to do with the Juubi.Kaguya is the juubi, Hag & Ham fought Juubiya This is basic Nard knowledge Damage
Even after Hag became a juubi jin, even after he performed a Low 5-B feat towards the end of his life while weakened, he still asserted that he is inferior to Kaguya in terms of power. Sasuke who had half of Hag's chakra and could sense the other half in Naruto shat his pants when he felt Kaguya's chakra. Kishimoto has gone out of his way to establish that Kaguya is the most powerful person in Shippuden yet you think otherwise.
Cool but I am not arguing that either. I mentioned the juubi to show you why Hag has no prior knowledge of ETSO, you can go back to my post. To even add more proof of Hag not knowing shit about ETSO. The databook implies kaguya is only able to create such a large TSO because she absorbed the shinobi of todays' chakra. During Hagoromo's time, the masses couldn't even store chakra till he taught them. Plus people of naruto era having more chakra compared to back then (pre-ninshu) when chakra just existed in its raw state (physical and mental energy separately)No kidding. My point is that Hagoromo didn't know that. Any statement he made about Kaguya has nothing to do with the Juubi.
With ETSO yea, without it she just scales to 5-C; 88.74 exatons while EOS Shippuden Nard & Sasu scale to 266 exatons at full power. If we go by the wiki profiles, Nard & Sasu oneshot Kaguya by themselves lol which is just false. We all read the Kag vs Nard & Sasu, she was dogwalking them till they got help.Kaguya is currently the highest rated character for the verse on our profiles, no?
Okay? Why don't we just scale her to Naruto and Sasuke then? Is there a reason for that?If we go by the wiki profiles, Nard & Sasu oneshot Kaguya by themselves lol which is just false. We all read the Kag vs Nard & Sasu, she was dogwalking them till they got help.
Not the purpose of the thread, we are trying to upscale her from Hag's TK, pls do not go off-point. You have yet to explain why it isn't possible? You have asked more questions than you have given counter-arguments.Okay? Why don't we just scale her to Naruto and Sasuke then? Is there a reason for that?
???EDIT: Wait, we do... What are you talking about them one-shotting her?