- 11,719
- 16,116
Sure, that's fine ig.
Honestly, not sure how I feel about this version of the MAS scaling above a form that didn't even exist yet.my proposal for justification are as follows :
higher with Majestic Attire Susano (The Majestic Attire Susano is the strongest War God, putting it above the Ashura Avatar
which is three times stronger than his base due to merging three clones into one avatar) [300 Teratons]
Also, I gotta say, the more I think about the Ashura Avatar thing, the more I think it shouldn't be a multiplier tbh. That being said, it is currently accepted, so until someone (not me) decides to deal with that one at some point, I guess I can't say much on that front.
Overall, neutral on this one, leaning towards disagreeing.
Pretty sure that the multiplier rules explicitly state that stacking multiple attacks together doesn't grant a multiplier. And before you bring up the Rasengan Barrage being accepted, that's only because it has an explicit statement of being 2x stronger than a normal Rasengan.
upto Continent level+ with Multi Rasengan Barrage (While using the Majestic Attire Susano Naruto creates 9 massive rasengans
from each of the nine tails of the War God to combine together and blast Juubito's shields) [2.7 Petatons]
Naruto obviously can do this with him and Sasuke alone but gave it to them so they can help create an opening for the sword to
stab Obito so they should get the full rating
Uhh, nice, guess Net saved me the trouble.
So, uh, this feels like a consequence of Sections A and B. Since I don't agree with either of them, I naturally don't agree with this either.
One thing I wanna say, though, is that the New Era MAS already scales above the Ashura Avatar, and it actually scales to a higher value than what you have here. Twice the value, it seems. So yeah.
And both Jigen and Isshiki already scale above said value.
Ehhh, like honestly, I don't like upgrading the verse's speed roughly 50x above the best calcable feat off of a one-off panel from 20+ years ago.
Not to mention, Kakashi has never, ever used the 1st Gate in combat as far as I know. So, like, if he didn't use it against Pain, Madara, Obito, Kaguya, etc; I honestly don't see why he'd use it against Isshiki in some hypothetical match-up.
Idk, seems really flimsy considering how massive of a jump it is IMO. I highly, highly doubt this is even something that Ikemoto/Kishimoto are keeping in mind at this point. Kishimoto, espeically, given that it's something he never brought back outside of that one scan.
So I feel like it's pretty iffy to say that they had said amp in mind when they made the statements about NaruSasu being above him considering it's just not something he uses in combat.
And even if we were to entertain this hypothetical, it's not like the temporary burst of speed would allow Kakashi to beat Isshiki anyway given the massive AP advantage and the fact that it won't last for any significant stretch of time.
Tbh, I'm not really seeing it. The difference between 9.12c and 10c is so inconsequential that I genuinely don't see why KK wouldn't be able to keep up with 10c Delta as a 9.12c.
Hmmmm, honestly, I think this might be fine. So long as the TLs are legit, I think this might be okay tbh.2. Isshiki’s Transformation and the 10x Multiplier
In Chapter 48, Upon Isshiki’s transformation, KK explicitly observes that Isshiki’s power has increased by an “order of magnitude”
beyond Jigen’s when noting it's instantaneous shrinking. The Japanese text uses the term Keta Chigai (ケタ違い), directly meaning
a “digit difference” or “order of magnitude difference. “Keta” represents a positional digit (like tens, hundreds, thousands) rather
than a loose or undefined increase paired with Chigai (違い) meaning difference, most often used to indicate a multiplication by 10
when moving from one “digit” level to the next.
Due to meaning “Digit Difference” in its literal sense this phrase is mathematically grounded, not merely rhetorical like the higher level
it has an established connotation as a 10x increase. (For qualitative increase the accurate word would instead be Dan Chigai [段違い]
meaning level difference)
So the accurate translation would be
This is why, in various manga contexts, “keta chigai” denotes a clear multiplier. A few examples of this phrase has been used to upgrade
off a few digits in the wiki previously are, Cero Oscura from BLEACH and Naruto God Tier Speed upgrades both make use of this phrase to denote
their digit differences
The VIZ English translation softens this to “another level,” which downplays the significance of the original language. “Another level” while
implying a qualitative improvement fitting for Dan Chigai [段違い] , lacks the numerical weight of “Keta Chigai” (ケタ違い) and as a result,
misrepresents the clear quantitative leap implied in the original Japanese.
Since KK said this in reference to how instantaneous the jutsu was it is referring to the shrinking speed. Thus, if Base Jigen’s jutsu speed is
set at 10c, Isshiki’s transformation—bearing this explicitly stated “keta chigai”—places his jutsu speed at a logical 100c.
Obviously, Naruto scaling to/above Isshiki is fine by me.3. Naruto’s Scaling to Isshiki’s Jutsu Speed:
Naruto’s combat performance surpasses Isshiki in everything speed wise
-Blitzed Isshiki many times, not allowing him to react
-Intercepted the microscopic high speed rods and is able to go back and pick one up and strike more of them down before they can hit him
-He can Intercept the rods before they even get to expand to full size (He was so fast,some of them were still in the process of expanding)
-His Supermassive Rasengan was so fast Isshiki’s shrinking speed was not fast enough to shrink the Jutsu in time and as a result was blastedwith the Jutsu
