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I just saw this bit. Kizaru has 7 layers. Nacht hasn't shown anything near that unfortunately.The Idea that Kizaru is some how "layered" to the point that Nacht's shadows wont interact with him is just weird.
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I just saw this bit. Kizaru has 7 layers. Nacht hasn't shown anything near that unfortunately.The Idea that Kizaru is some how "layered" to the point that Nacht's shadows wont interact with him is just weird.
I'm still waiting for the statement of Ace being an elemental counter to Kuzan, I've looked and asked around. I do not think it exists.I just saw this bit. Kizaru has 7 layers. Nacht hasn't shown anything near that unfortunately.
If the natural counter to snow is "heat," then logically the natural counter to ice (which is of a higher order to snow) would be heat/fire/magma. This is even shown when after Ace's attack countered Kuzan's a lot a steam was released similarly to what happened to Monet when she fought against Nami.I'm still waiting for the statement of Ace being an elemental counter to Kuzan, I've looked and asked around. I do not think it exists.
It is. Nami states that heat is the natural counter to snow. Kuzan has the same type of devil fruit as Monet, with his just being of a higher order. Sakazuki's devil fruit is of a higher order Ace's, which has heat manipulation.This is not a statement of Ace being his elemental counter
What? There was no one "matching" the other in that panel. All it shows is Ace's fire evaporating Kuzan's Pheasant Beak with a wall of intense heat.It also doesn't make sense given how Kuzan can match Ace's superior
Kuzan isn't snow, he uses the "Cold Cold" fruit and physically speaking Cold is no more susceptible to Heat as Heat is to Cold. One is energy and the other drains energy, this is likely why Akainu (Ace's superior) was matched by Kuzan without overpowering him.It is. Nami states that heat is the natural counter to snow. Kuzan has the same type of devil fruit as Monet, with his just being of a higher order. Sakazuki's devil fruit is of a higher order Ace's, which has heat manipulation.
What? There was no one "matching" the other in that panel. All it shows is Ace's fire evaporating Kuzan's Pheasant Beak with a wall of intense fire.
How is layered Npi a thing and where is it coming from?I just saw this bit. Kizaru has 7 layers. Nacht hasn't shown anything near that unfortunately.
How is layered Npi a thing and where is it coming from?
You seriously expect me to look through 1k+ messages to find it?Hax Layer Evaluation Thread
The purpose of this thread is to evaluate which verses do and do not qualify for layered hax under the newly codified standards, much like Glass did for type 5 acausality not too long ago. Given the massive amount of ground that needs to be covered, this will be a somewhat disorganized thread...vsbattles.com
It says right there on the OP. One Piece has 5-7 layers of Haki.You seriously expect me to look through 1k+ messages to find it?
I'm not contesting it's validity, I want to see its proposal and confirm npi was included in itIt says right there on the OP. One Piece has 5-7 layers of Haki.
It's all in the first and second page.I'm not contesting it's validity, I want to see its proposal and confirm npi was included in it
That’s his only wincon… what you mean if needed…
While Kizaru has many, is much faster while accelerating + obs haki and can one shot with heat
Even if he somehow restrain/paralyze Kizaru for a moment (idk how that will even affect him since his intangible and has haki that counters the shadow fruit) he can literally spam lasers from his eyes
it's not NPI (Since the thread of giving haki NPI just died) ... It's elemental intangabilty negation, that is layered
Nacht does not have elemental intangabilty negation and even if he does have NPI, kizaru can scatter himself into small photons to not get touched... It doesn't matter if he has npi or not
his fastest is FTL...Nacht also has several speed amps stemming from several magic boosts and a transformation (Felis Mode; evading spammed attacks faster than him). One of those speed boosts being from Mana Zone which allows Nacht to cast a spell from anywhere and can cast arms from everywhere simultaneously within the Zone. All this makes it impossible for Kuzan to evade by accelerating…
Kizaru accelerates from LS to FTL+ the speed Amp isn't even comparable to anything nacht hasFTL with Kids' Playground (Dodged attacks from Full Power Half-Manifested Lucifero)
Haki has resistance negation lol.Nacht also has heat resistance lol.
You do know eliminating light does nothing to kizaru himself right? That is why intangibility negation is a thing needed to attack logias true bodyHe has haki to counter devil fruit* not just shadow fruit and definitely not magic… Nacht has NPI, I agree with @Idkwhyimhere3 reasons and also the fact he can eliminate light with his shadows as I’ve said before shadow and darkness hard counter light.
Kizaru accelerates from LS to FTL+ the speed Amp isn't even comparable to anything nacht has
Haki has resistance negation lol.
You do know eliminating light does nothing to kizaru himself right? That is why intangibility negation is a thing needed to attack logias true body
Can I have a link to the post to start reading from?
You can’t layer elemental intangibility without layering NPI
In speed equal matches, only the combat speed of each opponent is equalized, the rest is scaled proportionately.his fastest is FTL...
Kizaru accelerates from LS to FTL+ the speed Amp isn't even comparable to anything nacht has
Heat resistance from sanji or luffy which is from high speed rotation flames...If this is about negating the natural resistance of logias then it doesn’t apply here.
Devil fruit powers are the same as powers without devil fruits. Hence why sanji's heat is listed on the haki pageIs this intangibility negation just Haki negating devil fruit powers again?
... elemental intangibility and NPI isn't the same thing... One is their body and the other is what they can do.. How the f are you comparing that?
Negating their intangabilty and interacting with their intangabilty is different... The interaction does nothing to do logia user besides being able to touch them physically which is why you need negation to their intangabilty
Um…Heat resistance from sanji or luffy which is from high speed rotation flames...
Devil fruit powers are the same as powers without devil fruits. Hence why sanji's heat is listed on the haki page
Resistance to
- Heat Manipulation (Sanji states that Buso assists him in withstanding heat[60]
his acceleration is at least FTL+ with AccelerationKizaru's combat speed is already FTL+, all his acceleration does is make his travel speed comparable to his combat speed, which is already the case dor Nacht
his acceleration is at least FTL+ with Acceleration
He's far faster than that FTL+ rating so much that luffy himself in gear 4th had couldn't dodge it while being an obs Haki user
Luffy's base speed is FTL+, his gear 2nd is a blitz above and his gear 4th is also a blitz above < Kizaru's FTL+ acceleration
what...?This is just haki resisting heat… it has nothing to do with heat resistance negation not devil fruit powers being “powers” without devil fruit.
what...?
Haki resists heat yes... But sanji's resistance of heat gets negated by haki or stronger haki since he has haki
In verse blitzes don't matter, in the end, he's just unquantifiably faster than before.his acceleration is at least FTL+ with Acceleration
He's far faster than that FTL+ rating so much that luffy himself in gear 4th had couldn't dodge it while being an obs Haki user
Luffy's base speed is FTL+, his gear 2nd is a blitz above and his gear 4th is also a blitz above < Kizaru's FTL+ acceleration
Luffy did.. He got hurt by ifrit jambe only because the usage of hakiCan I see where his heat resistance was negated by Haki
|Effective against physical disables other than nature-based abilities
Besides natural-types, the Armament Color's high ki is also effective against physical nullifiers such as rubber and mochi. If both parties are Haiki-users, the degree of their proficiency is important.
It is often thought that rubber's resistance to blows was lost with the advent of the "supreme power of armament color," but this is by no means the case. Luffy, who fused the power of his armament color and rubber, made his armament color, which is normally hardened, more elastic. If an attack is made by an armament color lower than Luffy's, it will repel the attack as before. Furthermore, even when he was defeated by the color of his armament and his body would have been destroyed if he were a normal person, he was only lightly wounded because of his rubber ability.
it does matter... Wtf, that's literally ignoring the speed ampIn verse blitzes don't matter, in the end, he's just unquantifiably faster than before.
And the same could be done for nacht, but again, that's in verse blitz, it doesn't matter
We do if the Amp is that high that it one shots comparable charactersimagine if we were to do this with One Shots as well
I don't understand this. Why is it 5-7 layers of Haki and not just "This character has stronger Haki"?It says right there on the OP. One Piece has 5-7 layers of Haki.
because it keeps bypassing resistancesI don't understand this. Why is it 5-7 layers of Haki and not just "This character has stronger Haki"?
But should that be a layer? It's just a struggle between Haki/DF or Haki/Haki and which is stronger, what are the layers?because it keeps bypassing resistances
Simply having greater haki grants a layers (or more depending on the case), which allows users to bypass resistances.But should that be a layer? It's just a struggle between Haki/DF or Haki/Haki and which is stronger, what are the layers?
No we don't? What's unquantifiable stays like that, even if it's an in verse blitz.it does matter... Wtf, that's literally ignoring the speed amp
We do if the Amp is that high that it one shots comparable characters
I still don't get it. This seems like it should all just be one layer, there's only 1 variable here.Simply having greater haki grants a layers (or more depending on the case), which allows users to bypass resistances.
Garp bypassing Luffy's resistance to Blunt Force via HakiOne Piece: Busoshoku Haki Potency and Buso Layers Scaling
First things first we have a clear heirarchy of Haki Potencies in the series. These will be the mechanics for finding out their potency. Scaling Methods of Buso A devil fruit power from a Haki user failing to work on another Haki user means the other Haki user is relative to (or superior to)...vsbattles.com
Rayleigh bypassing Luffy's resistance to Blunt Force via Haki
Law bypassing Tashigi's Haki's resistance to Spatial Manipulation via his own superior Haki
Vergo's Haki being stated to be strong enough to resist Law's Spatial Manipulation, but then that resistance being bypassed by Law's Haki
Luffy did.. He got hurt by ifrit jambe only because the usage of haki
8th layer?no he got hurt by Bonny, blunt force from devil fruit gets negated by Bonny’s haki lmfao.
Because the combination of haki with their abilities makes it layered as haki of others can’t resist it even tho it would if the other didn’t have hakiI still don't get it. This seems like it should all just be one layer, there's only 1 variable here.
The superior Haki user > the other person's Haki/DF, I don't see how these are all different layers and not just a showing of strong Haki.