Nacht always start with X"
proceed to show the one time he started with said spell
Not how it works.
BTW, he didn't start with arms against Asta, this is literally the end of their training.
As for the time with Yami, the context was totally different since 1. he was with yami and 2. he was overcharged, it definitively doesn't apply to a normal fight
I said he starts with stealth in all his fights then mentioned times he starts with stealth-based attacks. Because I wanted to prove he often takes the stealthy routes in the beginning.
And he did start with shadow arms against Asta at the beginning of their fight. then the whole Asta negating Shadow thing happened.
Then two days later after continuous fighting, they fought again and started with manazone.
Against the twin devils, he started with manazone.
Against Lucifero with Yami, he started with manazone.
Before what I said directly above, against lucifero alone, he appeared out of the ground to attack Lucifero.
Cool. So that's two, and those two times are definitively more relevant than him training someone, or going all out because he feels full of energy.
Anyway, let's list his starting moves:
->Paralysis twice
haxx get resisted, etherlite GG
->canis mode, hands, pack
Sion has more than enough time to fry his brain if she just dodges his hands with her precog, or even before that since, again, he can't just cast all of his spell in a thought.
->hide in his shadow, then appears behind his opponent and grabs them
Sion uses her precog and doesn't care if he TP behind her, then fry his brain with etherlite... again.
Again.
his starting move is
not paralysis and I have explained why in my previous post.
his starting moves are:
-> shadow hands or manazone
He doesn’t need canis mode to use Manazone. He only used canis mode to train Asta. Him appearing behind someone was only used once, so applying your logic in the previous paragraph, that’s not how it works. Hands and Manazone are his starting moves.
You didn't show even one time he immediately hid in the ground or plunged the area into darkness.
I did. You responded to it. so what's the issue?
She fought against Arcueid, attacks with the ability to one-shot her aren't an issue, especially crushing her which would take more effort for obvious reasons (blast->dead compared to have the hands spawn->have them grab her->have them crush her->dead), and again, just because the arms try to crush her doesn't mean she has to answer with lifting strength, she can destroy them with AP
Just because she fought a character that could one-shot her doesn't mean she can handle anyone who one shots her.
Just because you think it's obvious doesn't mean it is obvious. She gets crushed because Nacht has a massive LS advantage.
I don't get these leaps of logic you occasionally have. Simply adding more " ->" for Nacht doesn't make it true. This logic does not even account for the fact that Sion has to actually think. raise her arm up, aim, and fire. I can just do the exact same thing you did. Nacht spawns arms that are already moving to grab Sion at point blank range, they don't stop. Your logic also ignores that Sion won't be startled upon seeing so many arms grabbing her and that Nacht will definitely see her aim at him and counter. And like i said, she easily gets crushed.
She doesn't use magic detection, she uses maths and probabilities.
Yeah, I know that now. It's not going to work as well as you think you do without foreknowledge. She has to see Nacht's attack in order to cover up the obvious variables in her calculations. Saying she calculates regardless of this obvious weakness of lack of knowledge is headcanon.
She never fights without prep or foreknowledge of her opponents.
She obviously had foreknowledge on Shiki and she had foreknowledge on Arc from Shiki. Otherwise, she would have died to Arc if she didnt know Arc was fond of Shiki.
I honestly feel misled because I asked you many times.
dodging is combat/reaction speed based. NOT movement speed
Again, I literally use the word "
outrun" and not "dodge" multiple times. You clearly didn't read what I typed well. if she decides to outrun the arms, she will fail badly, and she does not have danmaku dodging feats that would counter multiple arms at once.
still not danmaku. And she's dodging with those sicc precog skillz
Again, they are many shadow arms that only differ in the fact that they are not projectiles. Her precog is useless without prep time. And she cant even use it in darkness. There is no way she can make calculations on what she can't see on a character she has no knowledge on. You are going to have to provide feats of predicting enemies she can't see and doesn't know anything about.
ditto pf my second to last sentence
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Good thing this spell that is definitively not your basic mana zone (which of course I would assume we were talking about since we were just using the word "mana zone") isn't instantaneous to cast then
"Mana Zone: Dark Prison Hunting Ground: After taking control of the surrounding mana, Nacht spreads out his shadow, shrouding everything in shadow and cutting off all light. His ki is also hidden, allowing him and his clones to strike their opponent without being sensed."
straight from his page.
He has already taken control of the space with his mana and she can't outrun the spread of the shadow because
even that is instant too. with a range of 10m.
manipulating the wordings on the page won't work. Sion's attacks are not instantaneous and she never starts with her haxes so your point is moot.
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Since Nacht never wastes time with his opponents, he starts with Manazone or Shadow Arms. These two are his win cons. Sion's precognition is useless here because she has to activate her high speed thought and she lacks so much information so her calculations will be relying on too many variables at normal thinking seeds. Esentailly she will be guessing at this point. And she tends not to dodge attacks without her precog much less a danmaku of them. Yes, the shadow arms are danmaku because he can spawn many of them at a time. The only reason why it is not danmaku is because they are arms not projectiles. But i prefer to use the word danmaku to show how many arms he can spawn. Sion will be overwhelmed with shadow arms spawning around her in her general vicinity including below her feet.
Sion does not start with her haxes, she never does anything without knowing if she has success at it. It is her weakness as an alchemist. STherefoe she will start with melee attacks or etherlites without the haxes assuming she does anything at all. She often runs towards her opponent giving Nacht ample time to cast anything he wants to assuming he hasnt already done so. If for some reason she uses the etherlite to cause slicing damage to Nacht, he will survive. She can make very good traps and use her environment but Nacht is less likely to fall for traps because she doesnt start with traps, if she starts with any other thing apart from her haxes with etherlightNacht wll know there is something invisible.
In conclusion, Sion uses her wincons at the end of the match while Nacht uses his at the start of the match to end it quickly. Sion's math and probability based precog is useless in the face of multiple variables due to lack of knowledge on her environment and her opponent. Nacht wins with Mana Zone and Shadow Arms.
I hope i was able to convince you. I hope i was able to convince everyone. because there are many instances she wouldve died without starting with her haxes.
