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Make JoJo Spam Again - Weather Report vs Gilgamesh

You're missing out on the first few scans where Pucci explains subliminal messaging as entering the unconscious mind. You know, the part of your mind where you cannot fathom or be aware of. Plus, sources online describe subliminal messaging as a suggestion, as in "Hey, you know what? Think about turning into a snail." Gil just has to think or ponder about the message that Weather is sending in order for the effect to take place. He is free to not think about it, but don't forget the above, he's not aware that the message is being sent. His unconscious mind will start to think about it and he won't even know about it.

So unless he has control of the part of his brain that the normal human mind cannot fathom, he's going to get snailed.

Edit: Just read the above, I guess he doesn't get snailed.
 
Subliminal messages are officially defined as "a message passed to the human mind without the mind being consciously aware of it". That's flat-out mind manipulation. It may not be standard, but it's nothing compared to having your mind physically and spiritually reconstructed from the ground up to be convinced of a specific message.

Take this for example. There's an old building that was once a school, and the government wants it turned into a museum. Which method is ultimately more effective?

1. Breaking down the walls and modifying the existing infrastructure to achieve the required needs for future use, while ultimately limited by the original shape and layout of the building?

OR

2. Demolishing the entire area and rebuilding the whole structure from scratch to suit the intended needs perfectly?

This is the comparison being made here. Weather Report is the former, Gilgamesh shrugged off the latter.

Even then, to add my own original two-cents to the argument, are people forgetting about Servant immunity? Xtasyamphetamine mentioned above that WR's ability isn't magic-based. Now I doubt this is the case, but if it is, then it shouldn't affect Gilgamesh at all. If it isn't "magical" or "centuries old", then Gilgamesh is physically incapable of being affected the same way non-corporeals can't be affected by pure physical force. And if WR's abilities are magic-based, then Gilgamesh's Magic Resistance and Golden Armour's subsequent boost to said resistance effectively gimps anything directed at him anyway.

And again, as mentioned above by Monarch, Servants are NOT biological beings. They're portioned souls stuffed into a humanoid mold. The "brain" and the "heart" are nothing more than spiritual cores that hold the molded soul together. 'Blood' is just spilled magical energy. There are no blood vessels, no muscles, no nervous system, no biological functions. They don't need food or water because they have no digestive system. They don't need oxygen because they don't have lungs. Gil would quite literally laugh off any attempts at oxygen poisoning.
 
pretty sure the oxygen can still **** them up by completely wrecking their bodies outside of oxygen poisoning

this is also literally one of hundreds of things that Weather Report could do
 
Nah, I think Monarch explained that Gil will never be affected by WR's ability, leaving WR having nothing to offer against Gilgamesh.

He gets absolutely and utterly ******* wrecked here.
 
Hl3 or bust said:
pretty sure the oxygen can still **** them up by completely wrecking their bodies outside of oxygen poisoning

this is also literally one of hundreds of things that Weather Report could do
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But their bodies are made up of magical energy and soul. How is oxygen going to affect that beyond 'It will!!'?
 
RegisNex1232 said:
Hl3 or bust said:
pretty sure the oxygen can still **** them up by completely wrecking their bodies outside of oxygen poisoning

this is also literally one of hundreds of things that Weather Report could do
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But their bodies are made up of magical energy and soul. How is oxygen going to affect that beyond 'It will!!'?
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because they still have flesh and blood equivalents that can be forced out by the oxygen
 
Xtasyamphetamine said:
Stomp, Poor Ovens can't find a good matchup for Weather Report.
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Misogi was closed because people acted like he can use AF while having that power turned more snail-like and also turning into a snail

Ainz was closed for the same reason
 
Either way it's a passive stomp. Same reason why most of Nihilus' matches were removed. If these two can't do anything in WR's presence then it's a passive stomp. And if they resist his ability, WR gets destroyed with no chance of retaliating.
 
it's not really passive

his stand has to activate it on it's own, although it's constantly working to protect him
 
So? It's still a stomp. Gilgamesh is completely unaffected by any of Weather Report's abilities, and WR can't do shit to Gilgamesh. He gets impaled by the entire world's arsenal of swords.

You haven't read Monarch's post, did you?
 
I don't get why people think that Heavy's tier 6 comes from environmental destruction. Heavy itself is the one destroying the ozone and it's power is directly linked it's ability. Heavy is the weather. And there's nothing contradicting that AP because from the time Weather got Heavy till the time he died, he was never beaten in a physical Stand fight. Pucci used underhanded methods to take Weather out.

What's more, no one is bringing up the fact that Weather can literally be the air Gil breathes, fill Gil up with water till be bursts, boil Gil's blood, fry Gil's mind with electricity, and many more.
 
they did

they "debunked" that with "cuz servant physiology ignores physics" iirc

or something similar
 
@Ovens

If you're not going to read the arguments, then don't debate. "No one's bringing up the fact" it's been brought up, several times now.

Gil has no lungs. Gil has no blood. Gil has no brain. He has no human physiology.

He is a mass of energy shaped like a person, with two cores that hold him together. That's it.
 
Everyone is just saying that he has "other ways" to kill Gilgamesh.

Besides oxygen poisoning, no one is actually pointing out how. And if they are, I'm pretty sure those on Gil's side don't know, because they aren't arguing against them.
 
What's that going to stop Him from literally getting punched by Heavy Weather? Or bursting from the inside by being pumped with water? Or Weather being the air he breathes and punching him from the inside? Being frozen to below freezing temperatures, electrocuted from the inside, or any other weather phenomenon that has ever happened?

I'm not saying you can't vote for Gilgamesh. But this is not a stomp.
 
When has Heavy Weather ever been shown to be capable of what you're claiming it can do? Nothing on WR's profile implies the level of control required to do what you're claiming, and even WR's stand stats has its Precision rated at E. If it can, give us scans as its not on the profile. Otherwise, there's nothing for it.

WR's abilities are either non-magical and get completely nulled, or magical, in which case they get resisted to all hell by the same resistance that nulls attacks just under Mountain level. Not even taking into account that Gilgamesh has auto-defensor NPs that nulled Mountain level attacks from Alcides. He has enchanted tools that increase his defenses against specific types of attacks, and he has several actual nukes in his gate that would blast through WR's barriers with little effort.

Even if it isn't a stomp, Gilgamesh takes this pretty decisively.
 
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Weather controls two girls through electro signals.


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Lang Ranger combusts due to friction buildup.

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Weather evaporates and freezes blood.

Bloat
Weather bloats a man with water by entering his body.
 
stomp because WR can do literally nothing to Gil

a lot of Gil's matches need to be removed on this principle as well
 
because, according to several people in this thread, Medaka, for example, is unable to hard Gil in any way due to lacking sufficient mystery or age
 
pretty sure nothing in Medaka Box is ever called magic by people who know what they're talking about
 
It's considered magic via verse equalization.

Same thing should apply for Stands, but according to Xtasyamphetamine, that supposedly isn't the case. Regardless, WR's abilities are drastically reduced in effectiveness when used against Gil since it's either it's considered non-magic and gets nullified, or it's considered magic and therefore resisted.

Said resistance, after being boosted by his armor, is superior to Arturia's magic resistance which outright nulled mountain-level spells from Medea.
 
>something that very blatantly isn't magic is magic via verse equalization

ok. Whatever you say

there's literally nothing stopping WR (the stand) from spamming HW level attacks
 
I'm pretty sure that Gil won't survive a Stand that has higher AP in comparison to his dura literally blow him up from the inside. Saying that Gil is immune to anything that isn't magic or has history is pretty NLF.
 
Sir Ovens said:
I'm pretty sure that Gil won't survive a Stand that has higher AP in comparison to his dura literally blow him up from the inside. Saying that Gil is immune to anything that isn't magic or has history is pretty NLF.
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One can argue that Servant Immunity is a form of hax all on its own, and thus not NLF, but even if it's not, the rule applies to everything in the Nasuverse. So if the strongest attack in the Nasuverse had its magic and age removed, it would logically still get nulled by Servant immunity via the Nasuverse's own rules. The strongest attack in the Nasuverse that explicitly falls under these rules is CCC's Enuma Elish, with Ars Almadel Salomonis coming in close second.

So at the very least, Servants are immune to every non-magical, non-ancient attack up to 5-A. Last I checked, HW is 6-C.
 
HW's Island level stuff is via widescale environmental damage, not something it can compress into a single attack.
 
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