Legend of Zelda General Discussion Thread

[Dust_Collector]

Pretty sure it's Sound Manipulation just by virtue of being a song with anomalous properties.

I don't think so, sound manipulation would be more like making sound blasts or making sound come from somewhere else by force. Don't think magic songs qualify

Link always attacks physically and the Sage amps are supposed to boost that.

Yeah they boost that, but that doesn't mean they're on that same level physically as well since their adding their magic power to Link's strength.

Even assuming Hylian guards also have Average intelligence, that's still grounds for Gifted.

What

How is being smarter than someone average somehow jump you up to being gifted?

They also escaped his whole invasion and got away from him at some point. Average people can't do it the same way she did it.

Give an average person a horse and the basic awareness of "Oh shit we're being attacked" and they'd be able to get out. We don't have the details, all we know is Impa and Zelda got on a horse and got outta dodge before Ganondorf caught up to them. The fact that Ganondorf was even chasing after them shows that they basically just were faster than he was since he wasn't bamboozled by some incredible strategy.

Adding power to someone else is also considered Power Bestowal.

"Power Bestowal (not to be confused with Statistics Amplification) is the ability to grant other beings or objects new abilities or even new forms, although generally not superior to that of the granter's."

Making someone stronger is stat amping them, we treat power bestowal as granting new abilities or forms which the sages aren't doing.

 

[Tyloxtus]

I don't think so, sound manipulation would be more like making sound blasts or making sound come from somewhere else by force. Don't think magic songs qualify

I just checked, the (shit) Hyrule Warriors Sheik profile doesn't have Sound Manipulation and neither does OT Link, so I guess you don't need this

Yeah they boost that, but that doesn't mean they're on that same level physically as well since their adding their magic power to Link's strength.

Then why couldn't they do the same with themselves?

What

How is being smarter than someone average somehow jump you up to being gifted?

There isn't one Hylian soldier. There's hundreds. She is much better than any of them.

Give an average person a horse and the basic awareness of "Oh shit we're being attacked" and they'd be able to get out. We don't have the details, all we know is Impa and Zelda got on a horse and got outta dodge before Ganondorf caught up to them. The fact that Ganondorf was even chasing after them shows that they basically just were faster than he was since he wasn't bamboozled by some incredible strategy.

That's like saying you could just simply run away if Ganondorf is trying to attack you and his whole plan is stomped.

"Power Bestowal (not to be confused with Statistics Amplification) is the ability to grant other beings or objects new abilities or even new forms, although generally not superior to that of the granter's."

Making someone stronger is stat amping them, we treat power bestowal as granting new abilities or forms which the sages aren't doing.

Statistics Amplification only applies to you if you do it to yourself.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Then why couldn't they do the same with themselves?

I dunno, they never do it or are stated to be able to do so. This ain't a Ganondorf situation where we have ways to scale their magic to their physicals. Like logically they should be able to do it given we know people can use magic to amp their physical abilities but unfortunately they never do that.

There isn't one Hylian soldier. There's hundreds. She is much better than any of them.

Are you trying to say her intelligence is superior to all them combined? Better than any of them individually sure but I don't think we can make a leap and say that if you put all of their collective intellect into a single person she'd still be smarter

That's like saying you could just simply run away if Ganondorf is trying to attack you and his whole plan is stomped.

Uh, yeah. With all the info we're presented that's pretty much what happened. She and Zelda jumped on a horse and just got away from him before he could grab the ocarina of time. All we're told is that Impa knew danger was coming and she got outta there. No sneaky tricks or incredible outsmarting just she knew he was gonna try something, ran away, and he couldn't catch up.

Statistics Amplification only applies to you if you do it to yourself.

We give stat amping to plenty of people that make others stronger (Although a lot of older profiles also use power bestowal instead despite not granting abilities so eh)

 

[Dust_Collector]

Also I still can't edit anything on the wiki it's been like this for 2 days now. I tested on other fandom sites too and for some reason if I try to edit any pages it just doesn't load anything and I have no idea why.

Was gonna start working on my sandboxes for Kid Icarus but I can't

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Also I still can't edit anything on the wiki it's been like this for 2 days now. I tested on other fandom sites too and for some reason if I try to edit any pages it just doesn't load anything and I have no idea why.

Was gonna start working on my sandboxes for Kid Icarus but I can't

You should contact Ant or AKM for this ngl

 

[Dust_Collector]

You should contact Ant or AKM for this ngl

I'm gonna be honest I keep forgetting to do that. I think I've went to Ant's message wall like 3 times, got sidetracked each time and forgot to mention this issue to him lol

 

[Tyloxtus]

Alright, I think my CoH Link profile is ready.

 

[Dalesean027]

Alright, I think my CoH Link profile is ready.

You need calculations for those ratings so I'd recommend finding feats to calculate and link them here

 

[Tyloxtus]

Freezing someone solid already has a calc... which isn't linked, give me one sec.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah looking very solid, besides adding the links for the calcs it'd also be best to get scans for the powers as well

 

[Tyloxtus]

I added a couple but finding scans is hell because nobody plays Cadence of Hyrule.

 

[Tyloxtus]

So once the Sage profiles are added, should we include already existing Hyrule Warriors profiles as a Key in theirs like Final Fantasy with Dissidia, or two different profiles?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Two different profiles, unlike Dissidia they're not the exact same characters. Although given the weird canon of the game I think they should get all the same abilities anyway (Provided they're still treated as Sages in it)

 

[Tyloxtus]

Hyrule Warriors seems to treat the timeline-originated characters as the same people who were in the real games.

 

[Tyloxtus]

I dunno what the requirements are to get a CRT passed but I feel my Hyrule Warriors one is close

 

[Dust_Collector]

Also finally Rauru, Saria, Darunia, Ruto, Impa, and Nabooru's profiles (Only need to add a bit more to Nabooru's summary). Not too happy with the justifications for some their physical stats but's that mostly because our profiles for generic members of their races are pretty bad (And not even generic, they're weirdly composited for some reason, Zora's have sealing because Ruto can do it? Whack)

Oh hey wiki lets me edit again so I changed the Island level justification so there's actually something to justify them scaling to Rauru. Also dunno what I was smoking when I tried putting Impa's intelligence at average (Work kept putting me on the late shift and I got so sleep deprived I think I just tunnel visioned and was like "Yeah not enough for her to be anything higher).

 

[Dust_Collector]

I dunno what the requirements are to get a CRT passed but I feel my Hyrule Warriors one is close

I think you need 1 or 2 more staff to agree to it then it can be applied

 

[Blunt_Claw]

Oh hey wiki lets me edit again so I changed the Island level justification so there's actually something to justify them scaling to Rauru. Also dunno what I was smoking when I tried putting Impa's intelligence at average (Work kept putting me on the late shift and I got so sleep deprived I think I just tunnel visioned and was like "Yeah not enough for her to be anything higher).

In case you haven't seen it yet,stamina,range and intelligence ratings should be bold now as per this thread.

We will now use bold text for Intelligence, Stamina, and Range statistics

Hello. We have recently decided to finally go ahead with beginning to use bold text for our Intelligence, Stamina, and Range statistics, for the sake of better consistency with our other statistics and powers and abilities sections, as well as to provide easier overview for our visitors. These...

vsbattles.com

 

[Dust_Collector]

Oh shit wasn't aware we're doing that now (Honestly dunno why we didn't bold them already), thanks for the heads up.

 

[Dalesean027]

Oh shit wasn't aware we're doing that now (Honestly dunno why we didn't bold them already), thanks for the heads up.

Literally I thought we already did tbh

 

[Tyloxtus]

Imagine clicking a profile after the new change and it says something like,

Intelligence: ********

Never mind guess you can't say that my joke is ruined

 

[Tyloxtus]

Oh hey wiki lets me edit again so I changed the Island level justification so there's actually something to justify them scaling to Rauru. Also dunno what I was smoking when I tried putting Impa's intelligence at average (Work kept putting me on the late shift and I got so sleep deprived I think I just tunnel visioned and was like "Yeah not enough for her to be anything higher).

None of it being anything I recommended

 

[Tyloxtus]

Would it be worth making a Boomerang profile or other equipment?

 

[TheGatememer]

no

 

[Tyloxtus]

stfu

 

[Qawsedf234]

Oh shit wasn't aware we're doing that now (Honestly dunno why we didn't bold them already), thanks for the heads up.

Literally I thought we already did tbh

For awhile all of those things were basically suggestions rather than solid ratings. So they were never bolded.

 

[Tyloxtus]

So- who's actually doing the TotK profiles anymore?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Gonna finally upload those sage profiles and update the OOT temple bosses tonight, but wanted to ask what's the site standards on "many"?

I'd assume we treat many to mean at least 3 right? Wanna know for Twinrova and Volvagia specifically (And also Ganondorf ig) since their ages in the downfall timeline depend of it

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I'd assume we treat many to mean at least 3 right? Wanna know for Twinrova and Volvagia specifically (And also Ganondorf ig) since their ages in the downfall timeline depend of it

I believe so, yeah

 

[Tyloxtus]

Gotta beef up those Galleries

 

[Dust_Collector]

Master Sword CRT if anyone wants to peep

 

[CrackerVolley]

Any updates on the TotK Link profile?

 

[Tyloxtus]

It's not being made

 

[Lou_change]

no one is working on it

 

[CrackerVolley]

Oh. In that case, I'll get started on a sandbox once I'm finished with all my big college assignments, so probably late next week.

 

[CrackerVolley]

Hey, what should I have TotK Link's set as?

 

[Lou_change]

Set? You mean like clothes probably same as promotional material. If you are talking about weapons I don’t know we probably make a default load out that can be changed for versus battles based on how useful stuff is.

 

[CrackerVolley]

Oops, typo. I was talking about what I should have the keys set as?
I currently have it as Early Game as immediately after the Great Sky Island, Mid-Game as after the Sage quests, and End-Game after Link retrieves the Master Sword.

 

[Dalesean027]

Oops, typo. I was talking about what I should have the keys set as?
I currently have it as Early Game as immediately after the Great Sky Island, Mid-Game as after the Sage quests, and End-Game after Link retrieves the Master Sword.

8-C, high 8-C with bombs, 7-C, 5-A

 

[CrackerVolley]

Is anyone willing to make descriptions for the sage abilities? Becuase I honestly can't be bothered.