Tears of the Kingdom Spoilers Thread

[Tyloxtus]

Considering how each of us all goes silent whenever this question is asked, I will start the Prince Sidon and Mipha profiles.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I remember making a WIP blog but I forgot how far I went into it

 

[Tyloxtus]

If you find it, could I take a look at it?

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Surprised no ones has updated BOTW Link yet. I remember there being a lot of talk about revising him when the game first came out.

 

[Chariot190]

Surprised no ones has updated BOTW Link yet. I remember there being a lot of talk about revising him when the game first came out.

I wouldn't be surprised if a "complete" overhaul took like a year, he has a lot of shit, may not be much in terms of quality but quantity-wise it's kind of a lot.

And if you overhaul BOTW, you may as well do TOTK too given it's the same dude so like...

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah the sheer amount of items and weapons BOTW/TOTK Link has absolutely eclipses any other Link and that's the biggest reason his profile is still gonna take a while to get overhauled

 

[Tyloxtus]

There's really no reason for a lot of it. All we really have to list is Link's most important weapons and all the stuff he can make out of his items. Even his builds won't matter at all to anyone who's a Lynel's strength or higher.

 

[Chariot190]

Does he have it? Yes? Then we index.
We're an indexing wiki. If it's something they have, by all accounts we should index. It shouldn't matter how "good" or "bad" something is.

But even then, if the main concern is "in a match it's useless", that isn't inherently even true, even the most mundane stupid, trivial, seemingly dogshit thing could be game-changing depending on the opponent.
Both for, and against Link, like early game Link vs. Catwoman, what do you think is gonna be more useful? Funny big fire magic weapon? Or that big **** off diamond he lugs around?
My dude could straight up pay her to **** off and win via incap.
Or Link Vs. Poison Ivy? If Link has funny wood weapon on him, she could exploit that, manipulate it, and turn it against him so it's important we actually list what he has.
And even if he might have abilities that overlap from various shit, if they come from different items and have differing mechanics, one could be res'd by a foe, while the other, due to having different mechanics behind it, could work, despite ultimately having a similar function.

I can think of characters that Link could legitimately **** over that could flatout kill him, by using a citric fruit or something simply because they're allergic.
It isn't just a matter of big numbers, a foe's weakness, quirks, and more effect what is useful in a fight, and on a wiki where essentially EVERY weakness and quirk is accounted for, it matters. Even a piece of paper could be important, what if Link is fighting something like Jailhouse Lock from JoJo? If Link often has paper on him, that minor thing could save him as he'd be able to write shit down before he forgets and act on it on win, but if we don't list that he has that shit on him, we wouldn't be able to use it.
Like take some faes from various media, what's gonna do more? A 7-B Master Sword, or a old rusty 4dmg short sword? If you picked the latter you'd be right, they tend have a huge weakness to iron in particular and touching it alone could be fatal, while a holy mystic blade forged in the primordial fires would be nothing of note.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Yeah, and Link could shit his pants and chuck it at people to win via Incap because they're disgusted and run away, but we're not putting that on the profile. I'm not saying to put nothing on the profile, just don't needlessly bog it down with every item on the BotW verse.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I know the modern day sages in TOTK are tier 5 from scaling to weakened Ganondorf (And maybe heavily downscaling from his full power as well), but what about the previous set of scrubs before them? Would we make them moon level on the basis how they should be comparable to the current ones?

Not that any of them should have profiles besides Mineru and Rauru (They don't do much beside get stomped by Nando and unlike the OOT sages they're not even using for the scaling of other characters) but it's mostly for Rauru's stats and Zelda's stats (Post-Zonai Kidney Stone but Pre-Dragon). Could also maybe make them tier 6 based on that interview saying TOTK Zelda having more power than previous incarnations in the series (Although I dunno if that's sage Zelda or Dragon Zelda it refers to so might not apply to Rauru)

 

[Tyloxtus]

Haven’t beaten the game but what have they done to warrant Tier 5? The Sages got stomped by Phantom Ganons.

Yeah that’s a pretty huge hyperbole since Hyrule Warriors Zelda probably solos the BotW verse

 

[Dust_Collector]

Haven’t beaten the game but what have they done to warrant Tier 5? The Sages got stomped by Phantom Ganons.

? There's not a single time the sages get stomped by a Phantom Ganon, the only person that stomps them is full power Ganondorf himself. Tier 5 is scaling above his weakened state which is moon level (Since they're combined power was too much for him at that point) and then potentially 5-A via heavily downscaling from his full power state since they can slightly damage him and regaining consciousness not too long after he knocks them out.

Yeah that’s a pretty huge hyperbole since Hyrule Warriors Zelda probably solos the BotW verse

What do you mean BOTW verse? Why do you keep treating BOTW/TOTK as it's own universe? Outside of saying they have major retcons or lore inconsistencies (Which have been happening since ocarina of time, a game that unironically retcons more with ALTTP than the new games do with previous with only guides over a decade later somewhat making more sense of it) you haven't really given convincing reasons for why.

 

[Tyloxtus]

? There's not a single time the sages get stomped by a Phantom Ganon, the only person that stomps them is full power Ganondorf himself. Tier 5 is scaling above his weakened state which is moon level (Since they're combined power was too much for him at that point) and then potentially 5-A via heavily downscaling from his full power state since they can slightly damage him and regaining consciousness not too long after he knocks them out.

Technically it was the avatars, but they could barely keep up against the Phantom Ganons when they had the 5 1v1s rule when Link fought them. A Stick can “slightly damage” anything in the verse so

What do you mean BOTW verse? Why do you keep treating BOTW/TOTK as it's own universe? Outside of saying they have major retcons or lore inconsistencies (Which have been happening since ocarina of time, a game that unironically retcons more with ALTTP than the new games do with previous with only guides over a decade later somewhat making more sense of it) you haven't really given convincing reasons for why.

LttP happens later in the timeline. The BotW games retcon literally most of the verse. Also they never actually said it’s canon.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Technically it was the avatars

Technically what was the avatars (Not that it makes a difference)? The real sages showing up is what prompts Ganon to just go back to sitting on his weird gloom tree to gain power, the avatars just help fight the phantoms beforehand

but they could barely keep up against the Phantom Ganons when they had the 5 1v1s rule when Link fought them.

There's nothing saying or even implies that they were barely keeping up with them, all we know is that Ganon makes some clones, the sages show up to make it a 5v5, then Ganondorf decides he's gonna use his full power and fights Link 1v1

A Stick can “slightly damage” anything in the verse so

A stick doesn't have actual narrative behind it likes the Sages do

LttP happens later in the timeline. The BotW games retcon literally most of the verse.

LTTP happening later in the timeline means, what exactly? Doesn't magically chance how Ocarina of Time completely retconned the entire backstory so badly that the Historia and Encyclopedia had to step in and make up new stuff to have the games backstory make sense with the events of OOT. And by all means please explain how the games somehow retcon most of the entire series, because the only real retcon I can think of is having Hylia inexplicably come back to life, and uh, I dunno, TOTK retconning Calamity Ganon into being an offshoot of the new Ganondorf's hatred instead of being a transformed state of the original one.

Also they never actually said it’s canon.

I don't even know where to begin in regards to how bizarre this is argument is.

 

[Dalesean027]

Tylo you're mistaking gameplay mechanics with the actual narrative presentation, in the story itself each Sage defeats a phantom ganon themself as you fight your 1v1 against him although you as the player can CHOOSE to defeat them first and ignore ganondorf they will always be defeated by the sages by the time he decides to use his full power whether you do it yourself or not

Well not entirely if one at least is remaining they appear in the cutscene but regardless its presented as them holding their own and not without just being fodderized

 

[Tyloxtus]

That’s definitely not what happens in the story. Once you defeat a Phantom Ganon, another one aggros on you automatically. In fact there were more than 5 Phantom Ganons that spawn

The only reason they weren’t was because in game mechanics they have infinite HP.

 

[Dalesean027]

That’s definitely not what happens in the story. Once you defeat a Phantom Ganon, another one aggros on you automatically. In fact there were more than 5 Phantom Ganons that spawn

The only reason they weren’t was because in game mechanics they have infinite HP.

Bro did ya play the game you can quite literally just fight ganondorf 1v1 while the other sages fight the phantoms, you may have to dodge an attack or 2 but the sages will literally handle them outside of that

And those phantom ganons didn't have infinite HP, what are ya actually on about rn?

 

[TheGatememer]

Tbh, I’m kinda thinking you haven’t actually played the game

 

[Tyloxtus]

Technically what was the avatars (Not that it makes a difference)? The real sages showing up is what prompts Ganon to just go back to sitting on his weird gloom tree to gain power, the avatars just help fight the phantoms beforehand

Actually it was because he was out of his new power, he still gave them the Memory.

There's nothing saying or even implies that they were barely keeping up with them, all we know is that Ganon makes some clones, the sages show up to make it a 5v5, then Ganondorf decides he's gonna use his full power and fights Link 1v1

Watch the fights that take place in the background and how onesided they are

A stick doesn't have actual narrative behind it likes the Sages do

The narrative isn’t that they can hurt Ganondorf at max power

LTTP happening later in the timeline means, what exactly? Doesn't magically chance how Ocarina of Time completely retconned the entire backstory so badly that the Historia and Encyclopedia had to step in and make up new stuff to have the games backstory make sense with the events of OOT. And by all means please explain how the games somehow retcon most of the entire series, because the only real retcon I can think of is having Hylia inexplicably come back to life, and uh, I dunno, TOTK retconning Calamity Ganon into being an offshoot of the new Ganondorf's hatred instead of being a transformed state of the original one.

What new stuff did they exactly make up? Also Hylia didn’t exactly die, she just… became Zelda. She shouldn’t have light powers if Hylia exists. There’s also the fact that stuff from all the timelines exists, Ritos exist alongside Zoras, Zora’s Domain has only even existed for 100 years, basically none of it lines up.

I don't even know where to begin in regards to how bizarre this is argument is.

Even Hyrule Warriors is confirmed to be an alternate universe. They’re practically being a dick about not confirming anything about what the BotW canon is.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Bro did ya play the game you can quite literally just fight ganondorf 1v1 while the other sages fight the phantoms, you may have to dodge an attack or 2 but the sages will literally handle them outside of that

We may be talking about 2 different fights here

And those phantom ganons didn't have infinite HP, what are ya actually on about rn?

Not da Phantom Ganons, Vinny, da Sage Avatars!

 

[TheGatememer]

They’re practically being a dick about not confirming anything about what the BotW canon is.

Damn, if only there was some way of knowing which franchise “The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild” was from

 

[Chariot190]

Yeah, and Link could shit his pants and chuck it at people to win via Incap because they're disgusted and run away, but we're not putting that on the profile. I'm not saying to put nothing on the profile, just don't needlessly bog it down with every item on the BotW verse.

If that's a standard tactic he uses, we would, in fact, list that. If Link has every item in the BOTW verse, we will, in fact, list that. That is what this wiki is for, I'm not sure why you want to half-ass things.

 

[Chariot190]

Bro did ya play the game you can quite literally just fight ganondorf 1v1 while the other sages fight the phantoms, you may have to dodge an attack or 2 but the sages will literally handle them outside of that

He didn't, he said on this very page he hasn't beat the game yet.

Also why the **** are we going on this shit again? The game makes it very, very, clear that the Sages, while weaker, can, in fact, contend with Ganon using the Secret Stones, and a character, who has fought Ganon before, knows the full extent of his power, enough to where she's like "yeah zelda, it would take hundreds of years for the MS to get strong enough to rival him", says "yeah we sages can help fight ganondorf", and then they proceed to help fight ganondorf. And they're pretty evidently above Gann's sandbagging base form as they show up to throw hands with his roided out 5-A form. And being stomped by Phantom Ganon? The sages stop an attack that was meant to kill a near-end game Link and shatter the MS, after Ganon just watched said Link throttle like a dozen phantom ganons.
And that's without even touching the whole secret stone gimmick.

Secondly, what's the big deal? Sages have been a thing since AlttP, and have always had the power, one way or another, to help fend off Ganon. See OOT where each Sages buffs Link via their own power, and the combined Sages can straight up rival him.

 

[Dust_Collector]

tbh every sage in the franchise combined is barely king dodongo level

 

[Chariot190]

ALSO ALSO
wasnt there an interview recently that puts the TOTK rauru shit after every other game, and was, as guessed, ANOTHER refounding.

 

[Dust_Collector]

ALSO ALSO
wasnt there an interview recently that puts the TOTK rauru shit after every other game, and was, as guessed, ANOTHER refounding.

Yup

"I think if it doesn’t collapse, fans can have the space to wonder various things like “So that means that is possible?”. If we only speak of the possibilities, if there is the story of Hyrule’s founding, it is also possible that Hyrule has collapsed in its history once before. I don’t randomly make things by saying “Isn’t it interesting if we did this here?”, so even for the parts we did not tell, I hope you enjoy imagining it. “
- Hidemaro Fujibayashi, Director of Tears of the Kingdom

Basically explains why Rauru is treated as the founder and first king of Hyrule, it's because it's like the second or third or whatever interation of the kingdom that he founded and ruled. Which makes sense, the events of these games and their backstories are way, wayyyyyyy after anything else before (To the point that the original Ganondorf himself, the biggest threat to Hyrule, isn't known by name or apperance and is only vauagly remembered as the king of evil in modern times).

They’re practically being a dick about not confirming anything about what the BotW canon is.

No they're not, they haven't even been slightly coy about it beyond what the events that happened between these games and the previous ones were. You're acting like they've purposely been making it a mystery if these games are their own canon and they haven't at all.

 

[Chariot190]

Even Hyrule Warriors is confirmed to be an alternate universe. They’re practically being a dick about not confirming anything about what the BotW canon is.

multiple official timelines showing BOTW at the end of every timeline

"nah dude theyve never confirmed it"
???????

Watch the fights that take place in the background and how onesided they are

I literally did that for profile-making purposes to get footage of mfs beating them up
The Sages win every time

The narrative isn’t that they can hurt Ganondorf at max power

The narrative though is that they can help, and then they do.

What new stuff did they exactly make up? Also Hylia didn’t exactly die, she just… became Zelda. She shouldn’t have light powers if Hylia exists. There’s also the fact that stuff from all the timelines exists, Ritos exist alongside Zoras, Zora’s Domain has only even existed for 100 years, basically none of it lines up.

And yet, Zora's Domain in BOTW straight-up talks up Ruto from OOT in the plaques.
You know MULTIPLE Zora's Domains exist too yeah? We've had multiple Domains from other games that AREN'T the same one as seen in AlttP.
And Rito's can exist with Zora's just fine, evolution is ****** in Zelda, and it's like, almost always the Zora's, it took like what, 3 generations for that to happen in WW? And now we're talking about tens of thousands of years? Some Zora's probably set up base in cold as **** valley land, and having fluffy feathers to fend off cold and being able to fly to cover the canyons and mountains >>>>>>> feesh. So they evolved.

Except actually, like 200 years MAXIMUM for WW, and idk a few hundred for whatever the **** they are in SS to normal Zora, then in downfall they evolve into demonic forms, a lot of which aren't cognizant by the time of zelda 1. And to double down, we get normal zora and the evil type existing together in one of the GBA games, so split evolution zoras existing together ain't even new. Bro, divergent evolution exists and is something that exists in Zelda.

 

[Tyloxtus]

No they're not, they haven't even been slightly coy about it beyond what the events that happened between these games and the previous ones were. You're acting like they've purposely been making it a mystery if these games are their own canon and they haven't at all.

Even just in that quote, he’s extremely vague about if it’s even true or not.

 

[Tyloxtus]

"nah dude theyve never confirmed it"
???????

“Official”
The only thing they’ve confirmed like that is BotW takes place way later than any other game. Which barely means a thing.

I literally did that for profile-making purposes to get footage of mfs beating them up
The Sages win every time

The Sages “win” because they have infinite HP in gameplay.

The narrative though is that they can help, and then they do.

The narrative is that the Champions help against Calamity Ganon, yet they get flicked by him.

And yet, Zora's Domain in BOTW straight-up talks up Ruto from OOT in the plaques.
You know MULTIPLE Zora's Domains exist too yeah? We've had multiple Domains from other games that AREN'T the same one as seen in AlttP.
And Rito's can exist with Zora's just fine, evolution is ****** in Zelda, and it's like, almost always the Zora's, it took like what, 3 generations for that to happen in WW? And now we're talking about tens of thousands of years? Some Zora's probably set up base in could as **** valley land, and having fluffy feathers to fend off cold and being able to fly to cover the canyons and mountains >>>>>>> feesh. So they evolved.

Except actually, like 200 years MAXIMUM for WW, and idk a few hundred for whatever the **** they are in SS to normal Zora, then in downfall they evolve into demonic forms, a lot of which aren't cognizant by the time of zelda 1. And to double down, we get normal zora and the evil type existing together in one of the GBA games, so split evolution zoras existing together ain't even new. Bro, divergent evolution exists and is something that exists in Zelda.

Ritos have only ever existed once before, and that was when all Zoras ever became Ritos. And why would nothing else evolve in the Hebras if the Zoras did, as if it wouldn’t help to fly over the mountains of their own domain?

 

[Dust_Collector]

The only thing they’ve confirmed like that is BotW takes place way later than any other game. Which barely means a thing.

??????

Bro how does them straight up saying it takes place way later than any other game somehow mean it's the start of it's own different universe?

The Sages “win” because they have infinite HP in gameplay.

The Sages can harm the Phantom Ganons, can handle many attacks from them, ultimately win due to better HP (Even if canonically it's actually infinite lol), dunno man doesn't seem like the intention here is that the phantoms casually shit on the sages.

The narrative is that the Champions help against Calamity Ganon, yet they get flicked by him.

Yeah, they help by using giant mechas and firing massive laser beams from halfway across the country. This is not comparable to the narrative of the Sages showing up in person to swap hands with Ganondorf.

Ritos have only ever existed once before, and that was when all Zoras ever became Ritos

The world is a massive place, we have confirmation that Hyrule's Zora evolved into the Rito (Due to the Great Sea in particular being weird and ethereal which made it inhospitable to them). Plus it took only 100 years for them to become the Rito, given the sheer gap in time and like Chariot said the fact that the Zora have split evolutions like in the downfall timeline it's not that weird that at some point both can exist together in the same country)

 

[Chariot190]

The only thing they’ve confirmed like that is BotW takes place way later than any other game. Which barely means a thing.

Pretty damn sure we've gone through this before, you need to lurk the official websites and shit more often. Completely ignoring MW also confirms BOTW takes place after the other games, just so much later that the other games are nothing but a myth.

The Sages “win” because they have infinite HP in gameplay.

If they take enough damage they like, get stunned for a **** off long time. Doesn't happen, but you already admitted multiple times to having not even beat the game so idk why we're even humoring you on this, you're talking out of ignorance.

Ritos have only ever existed once before,

So? And so did Koroks, and now they exist again. And so did demon Zoras, until they came back, and so did normal Zoras, until they came back. This is such a nothing statement.

and that was when all Zoras ever became Ritos.

Correct! We're told in the supplementary material that the ocean of the great sea has magical properties, that the highly sensitive Zoras can not thrive in. As such, as a collective, due to not even one of them being capable of living in the newfound water, and the Zora collective being small as it is due to the flood, they all adapted to the new ocean instead.
This obviously isn't the case for BOTW, Zora's domain exists, there's water that they can live in.

And why would nothing else evolve in the Hebras if the Zoras did, as if it wouldn’t help to fly over the mountains of their own domain?

Idk man, why didn't everything else in WW evolve ******* wings too? Maybe the magic fish race that has evolved no less than FOUR TIMES, while things like Hylians stayed the same, are built a tad diff.

as if it wouldn’t help to fly over the mountains of their own domain?

Because the domain is filled with water, lakes, and more they can swim through instead, leads to coasts, have a lot of aquatic river life for hunting, and has constant rain, something the current fish form thrives in?

 

[Chariot190]

Due to the Great Sea in particular being weird and ethereal which made it inhospitable to them

My bro knows the great fish lore too

 

[Tyloxtus]

??????

Bro how does them straight up saying it takes place way later than any other game somehow mean it's the start of it's own different universe?

Hyrule Warriors takes place after the other Zelda games, yet it's a different dimension.

The Sages can harm the Phantom Ganons, can handle many attacks from them, ultimately win due to better HP (Even if canonically it's actually infinite lol), dunno man doesn't seem like the intention here is that the phantoms casually shit on the sages.

Who's saying the Phantoms stomp the Sages?

Yeah, they help by using giant mechas and firing massive laser beams from halfway across the country. This is not comparable to the narrative of the Sages showing up in person to swap hands with Ganondorf.

What they were originally supposed to do is combine their power to (hopefully) defeat a Ganondorf that didn't have a Secret Stone.

The world is a massive place, we have confirmation that Hyrule's Zora evolved into the Rito (Due to the Great Sea in particular being weird and ethereal which made it inhospitable to them). Plus it took only 100 years for them to become the Rito, given the sheer gap in time and like Chariot said the fact that the Zora have split evolutions like in the downfall timeline it's not that weird that at some point both can exist together in the same country)

What reasons would they have to become the Rito in the BotW verse? Also nobody ever said in either game that Ritos are evolutionary offshoots of Zoras here.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Pretty damn sure we've gone through this before, you need to lurk the official websites and shit more often. Completely ignoring MW also confirms BOTW takes place after the other games, just so much later that the other games are nothing but a myth.

IF the other games even happen. It's a massive hodgepodge of half-baked references to past games (and even then only the ones that sold well) that completely breaks canon.

If they take enough damage they like, get stunned for a **** off long time. Doesn't happen, but you already admitted multiple times to having not even beat the game so idk why we're even humoring you on this, you're talking out of ignorance.

"You didn't beat the game so what you did finish doesn't matter at all"

So? And so did Koroks, and now they exist again. And so did demon Zoras, until they came back, and so did normal Zoras, until they came back. This is such a nothing statement.

No, it just breaks the illusion of BotW fitting anywhere in the lore.

Correct! We're told in the supplementary material that the ocean of the great sea has magical properties, that the highly sensitive Zoras can not thrive in. As such, as a collective, due to not even one of them being capable of living in the newfound water, and the Zora collective being small as it is due to the flood, they all adapted to the new ocean instead.
This obviously isn't the case for BOTW, Zora's domain exists, there's water that they can live in.

So why would Ritos have to exist, or all Zoras become Ritos from the mountains covering Zora's Domain?

Idk man, why didn't everything else in WW evolve ******* wings too? Maybe the magic fish race that has evolved no less than FOUR TIMES, while things like Hylians stayed the same, are built a tad diff.

The Koroks didn't either.

Because the domain is filled with water, lakes, and more they can swim through instead, leads to coasts, have a lot of aquatic river life for hunting, and has constant rain, something the current fish form thrives in?

That would only let them traverse the bottom of the mountains.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Hyrule Warriors takes place after the other Zelda games, yet it's a different dimension.

Yeah because they explicitly called it a different dimension, BOTW is a mainline game that they simply said is after all the others.

Who's saying the Phantoms stomp the Sages?

Haven’t beaten the game but what have they done to warrant Tier 5? The Sages got stomped by Phantom Ganons.

Yeah it's a real mystery dunno who could've been saying the phantoms stomp the sages

What they were originally supposed to do is combine their power to (hopefully) defeat a Ganondorf that didn't have a Secret Stone.

What are you talking about? There's not a point in the game after Ganondorf becomes the demon king where he lacks his stone. They know he still has his stone, it takes up all of his forehead to block his receding hairline. There was never a point where the plan was to combine their power fight a stoneless version of him since by that point he already had it.

What reasons would they have to become the Rito in the BotW verse? Also nobody ever said in either game that Ritos are evolutionary offshoots of Zoras here.

I dunno, large mountains, food reasons, evolution can be whacky especially in a series where magic gods create an ocean that forces fish people to become birds. Like we don't need a detailed reason for why the Rito are there, at some point they just do and it doesn't really contradict anything because we already know races like the Zora can turn into a complete different species in just a single century.

IF the other games even happen. It's a massive hodgepodge of half-baked references to past games (and even then only the ones that sold well) that completely breaks canon.

What do you IF? We have direct references to stuff like Ruto and the events of her helping against Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time, guides call the events of the other games the era of myth because there's such a massive time gap after them that nobody really knows the exact details or what happened and when, it doesn't completely break canon because they keep the details just vague enough that we can't really say it breaks canon because there's no clear details.

No, it just breaks the illusion of BotW fitting anywhere in the lore.

You keep saying stuff like this, but you never actually explain HOW it breaks the games fitting in the same continuity as every other game. Why can't Koroks come back? Why can't Rito come back? How does them coming back mean it's impossible for BOTW and TOTK to be canon.

So why would Ritos have to exist, or all Zoras become Ritos from the mountains covering Zora's Domain?

Once again, evolution is wild and sometimes the reasons for it are weird, self explanatory, or don't need to be said at all since Nintendo has never done anything like hard confirm that the Rito can only exist in the era of the great sea (And even if they did that's such an easy thing to retcon)

The Koroks didn't either.

And?

That would only let them traverse the bottom of the mountains.

And?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Still waiting for you to agree with me that Ocarina of Time is also not canon and it's own continuity since it breaks the canon and isn't consistent with the lore and backstory of A Link to the Past, do I need to pull up the list of inconsistencies and retcons OOT has again

 

[Emerald]

My man is still on that "BOTW isn't in the main timeline" cope

 

[Chariot190]

IF the other games even happen. It's a massive hodgepodge of half-baked references to past games (and even then only the ones that sold well) that completely breaks canon.

This isn't even true, ignoring the fact the whole ******* franchise is like that, the whole thing is "it takes place so far into the future that every game had a chance to happen", it isn't exactly hard to understand. Media does this shit all the time, just look at Evangelion, JoJo, or other popular verses that uses this very common trope.

"You didn't beat the game so what you did finish doesn't matter at all"

uh, yeah? Beat the game first before talking about shit you haven't even got to yet????

No, it just breaks the illusion of BotW fitting anywhere in the lore.

Unironically a "you" issue, this isn't even the first time this EXACT thing has happened. What, is the Oracle games non-canon too?

So why would Ritos have to exist, or all Zoras become Ritos from the mountains covering Zora's Domain?

Reading comprehension much? I laid out a whole list of reasons already.
Do you SEE any water over in the Hebra Region? I sure as hell don't, meanwhile over in the Zora region, there's water all over the place, coastlands, a bunch of aquatic life, and it rains all the time. Why would they evolve to adapt to a climate they're perfect for? Meanwhile over in Hebra every one of those things is gone, it's cold as **** (a weakness as established in OOT, MM and TP, so growing down, a thing we know is warm as hell as the Cold Res equipment is made from Rito down, aka evolving feathers good), vast chasms and mountains with no real alternative to traverse unlike on the complete other side of the map filled with waterways (Something we know from WW, they evolved wings to cover distances they couldn't just swim). And we know that zoras can evolve separately from other Zoras, creating multiple groups at once, based on the conditions they live because this ACTUALLY isn't ******* new.

This is such a nothing issue, one with easy explanations, and one that isn't even new, yet you're acting like this one thing ***** it all up is laughable.

The Koroks didn't either.

Yeah, they didn't, for completely different magic tree reasons. And that was something that had been cooking since even before WW.
Now explain Hylians, Gorons, Gerudos, and ****, wolves too while you're at and every other animal.
im sure the gerudos would love to magically adapt to the harsh desert environment.

That would only let them traverse the bottom of the mountains.

Wow just like in OOT, TP, Oracle, AlttP, and quite literally every other game! You know they can walk too?
Ever think the benefits of already being a highly adapted aquatic race living in a water-filled, humid, aquatic region filled with rainfall has more benefits to staying aquatic, than becoming soggy ass birds that now have a fuckton of issues to deal with because "lmao flight", something they aren't even gonna be doing half the time because it rains out the ass over there.

All this is to say, stop cooking. It's canon, it's been canon forever, it's quite literally said to be canon, we know when it happens because they told us, and acting like something that has happened before somehow ruins that, just outs you as not even having played most of the games.

 

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Hyrule Warriors takes place after the other Zelda games, yet it's a different dimension.

That ISN'T true, you just made that up. It's an alt dimension, that's it, they never say once it's after the other games, and why would they? Time travel dimension magic is involved.

Also huge false equivalence, ignoring the multiversal clairvoyant ass time wizard, nothing in HW's main verse knows of the other games, meanwhile in BOTW old games are known, and treated like legends and myths, even things like Ruto or Nabooru are known among their species, what they say about BOTW is that it takes place so long after, the other games have faded into legend, that explicitly tells us it's the same verse, otherwise how the **** would it fade into legends for the populace to know?

Who's saying the Phantoms stomp the Sages?

You.

What they were originally supposed to do is combine their power to (hopefully) defeat a Ganondorf that didn't have a Secret Stone.

Literally wrong im pretty sure you made this completely up, especially because Mineru KNOWS he has it. And doubly wrong because the Sages KNOW he has it because the ancestors KNOW he had it AND THEY KNOW what the Ancestors know.

Edit: Actually why would this EVER be a thing, even in the past, the stones weren't handed out until AFTER Ganon had his, BECAUSE he had his.

What reasons would they have to become the Rito in the BotW verse? Also nobody ever said in either game that Ritos are evolutionary offshoots of Zoras here.

No, but you are, and taking that evolutionary thing as why it breaks setting, and thus, we're telling you, no, not really, at all.

And you've been given multiple reasons, hell it being cold as **** is unironically a good one that's founded on multiple other games, and is corroborated by what they sell, say and gameplay itself in BOTW.