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I guess so, I still think you can't swing a metal pipe at the same speed as a katana, is like the same discussion about the javelin and the umbrella in another thread.
Umbrella has canopies that slow them down.I guess so, I still think you can't swing a metal pipe at the same speed as a katana, is like the same discussion about the javelin and the umbrella in another thread.
quite literally no one has argued that its only speed they are wary about in fact quite the opposite was argued the entire time that they only fear piercing damage, this has been the case across several threads. I explicitly stated Occam's razor would dictate they fear guns because they're guns and considering this verse's general showings without calcs and narratively we'd take that as guns are guns and obviously if someone shoots at them they can't do anything be it dodge or tank the shots. It has never been mutually exclusive and both reasonings would be the case so I don't appreciate the twisting of the words and that argument and find it in bad taste that said here's what I got for the takemichi one
All that insulting just to go and make the calculation I was talking about. It seems like I was accused of posting fake scans for no reason. Great.Also @CloverDragon03 @DMUA sorry to bother you both but can I get your opinions here as well on the arguments as well as the usability of this calc
Takemichi dodges a Bullet
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Anyway, can we solve this by creating discussion rules? I am not intending to obstruct the discussion by @Dalesean027 and others; however, I am concerned that this discussion may be subject to interminable and non-concluding threads.
@Dalesean027 Any idea how you would like to have them? I would be happy to assist you with rephrasing such a rule.
I'm so heavily against this, its funny that you bring up creating a discussion rule because you guys can't debunk our points and think that your opinion is better then ours even though yours is just an assumption with no backing, creating a rule like this is just ignorant imo and has no reasoning behind it, especially because these threads last a long time like I saw one that was 1000 replies, these threads last a long time because there IS a debate to be had and if people keep coming back to it, its likely your points HAVE flaws, as we've pointed outWe simply should create a rule against the creation of threads regarding upgrades of Tokyo Revengers characters to speeds of Supersonic or higher due to their outliery nature and the several dozens of times CGMs have chimed in and rejected and debunked said feats. That is to say that without valid support of said tiers from the anime interperations of the feats themself or author statements then such threads should not be allowed.
Listen, no one can debunk the fact that Senju during the gun feat scales nowhere, as she was holding back the entire time before chapter 229, and the gun feat was in chapter 220 and 221.I will take your disagreement into consideration.
I kinda did, also "no one can debunk" for you just mean "I dont think the debunk is valid" because I can pretty much say the same honestly, at the end the staff will decide so if you arguments were better than our then the staff wont make that rule pass, is simple, if you think the site is corrupt and the staff abuse their power (like... I dont remember who wrote to Ant time ago for this issue, maybe vapourrrr?) I don't really understand why you are here because I wouldn't stay in a community like this if I would think that, I just feel like your comment was uneccesary, like any other comment on how I used the verse reputation to downgrade It and stuff like that.Listen, no one can debunk the fact that Senju during the gun feat scales nowhere, as she was holding back the entire time before chapter 229, and the gun feat was in chapter 220 and 221.
And no one gave a valid debunk on the 2nd part of the argument.
Proceeding with your and Dalesean's suggestion would merely be an abuse of power.
You didn't debunk anything.I kinda did, also "no one can debunk" for you just mean "I dont think the debunk is valid" because I can pretty much say the same honestly
I never said the staff is corrupt? All I was saying is that proceeding with Dale's and Dread's suggestion is an abuse of power.if you think the site is corrupt and the staff abuse their power (like... I dont remember who wrote to Ant time ago for this issue, maybe vapourrrr?) I don't really understand why you are here because I wouldn't stay in a community like this if I would think that, I just feel like your comment was uneccesary.
I'll take your disagreement into account as well.Listen, no one can debunk the fact that Senju during the gun feat scales nowhere, as she was holding back the entire time before chapter 229, and the gun feat was in chapter 220 and 221.
And no one gave a valid debunk on the 2nd part of the argument.
Proceeding with your and Dalesean's suggestion would merely be an abuse of power.
Don't only take my "disagreement", include my reasons as well.I'll take your disagreement into account as well.
I'll take your disagreement into account as well.
lol. Didn't see this. Funny how you are going to report me cuz I was "lying about that particular scene" when I literally proved I didn't and just got one sentence wrong cuz of a translation error. You literally accused me of faking and blatantly lying about the feat here and here without any proof.Brah no one has time to sit here and edit scans and frankly this verse isn't worth that but for insistin this sorta thing and trying to stir up controversy I will be warning you that I will report you should you openly lie like this again when we literally caught you in the act of lying about that particular scene
Even the wiki itself supports the scans we sent so respect shut the ***** up with that
Well, take my disagreement into account as well thenI'll take your disagreement into account as well.
I don't know why you think so. First of all, let's understand Senju well.Listen, no one can debunk the fact that Senju during the gun feat scales nowhere, as she was holding back the entire time before chapter 229, and the gun feat was in chapter 220 and 221.
And no one gave a valid debunk on the 2nd part of the argument.
Proceeding with your and Dalesean's suggestion would merely be an abuse of power.
I don't understand why you still present the same stuff again and again. Senju never showed her True Potential until her fight vs South. If she doesn't say something like "I used my full potential to save you", then she that just means she didn't use her true potential. That's it. You are just assuming she would use her full potential in a life or death situation. That's like saying: "Mikey would just activate his Dark Impulses when he was losing aganist Izana in his base" or "Angry would just cry on purpose to win every fight". That's just not how it works dude.Senju in chapter 229 mentions that she avoided her potential because she realized her abilities could lead Takeomi on the wrong path.
In chapter 216, we see Takemichi having a vision where Senju dies. Takemichi is clueless of it and he hasn't realized that he can see the future.
Because nothing dictates that she used her full potential during that moment, only during the South fight. You need evidences for that. You're making up a scene that just doesn't happen anywhere in the manga. That's not how it works.I don't know why you think so. First of all, let's understand Senju well.
Senju in chapter 229 mentions that she avoided her potential because she realized her abilities could lead Takeomi on the wrong path.
In chapter 216, we see Takemichi having a vision where Senju dies. Takemichi is clueless of it and he hasn't realized that he can see the future.
Takemichi's vision are realities. Until they are stopped from happening, they wouldn't happen.
Senju in chapter 229 specifically mentions that she avoided her potential, which means that it was her decision, nothing supernatural stopping her from showing her potential, she can show it okay whenever she feels like doing so. Also, the vision comes when she's in a fight, she specifically mentions Takeomi as well. So, she just very well wants to not show her true potential in front of Takeomi so that he doesn't get lead to a wrong path.
Senji in chapter 216 is dead already (because Takemichi's visions are reality), and I don't think she was holding back her true potential for any time there, in fact, I wouldn't say "I don't think", saying "I am sure of it" is better because Senju literally just played on her life and even lost it. After that, her next word is "Takemichi, I kept my promise.". Now, understand this bro, her decision for Takeomi is a side thing, it is something which wasn't always mandatory for her as I said earlier, but her promise with Takemichi is something for which she can even GIVE HER LIFE, I don't know why you think Senju wouldn't use her true potential to save Takemichi, when her promise is seemingly more important.
Anything to back that up? Like just tell me why doesn't it make sense for Senju to not give her best to save Takemichi? Her promise with Takemichi was such that she wasn't even afraid to lose her life. Don't bring this "she never showed her potential", she just said that she avoided her potential, avoiding is a decision and it's nothing mandatory, she was not bound by any supernatural means to stop her potential.I don't understand why you still present the same stuff again and again. Senju never showed her True Potential until her fight vs South.
Same, if she doesn't say that her entire thing for not showing her potential was to save Takeomi, then that just means it's restricted to Takeomi? Is your entire argument just "They didn't say it then it's not the case"? Then it would never make sense for Senju to show her true potential even more. That's literally it.If she doesn't say something like "I used my full potential to save you", then she that just means she didn't use her true potential. That's it.
And are you just saying she wouldn't? Her promise with Takemichi is literally on another level than any Takeomi saving plan.You are just assuming she would use her full potential in a life or death situation.
Mikey didn't have enough darkness to activate his DI against Izana. Plus, the matter is completely different, Mikey would not activate his DI because he knows how much casualties it causes, also, he asked everyone to refrain from meeting him.That's like saying "Mikey would just activate his Dark Impulses when he was losing aganist Izana in his base". That's just not how it works.
'"When did I start avoiding my true potential?" in the South vs Senju fight indicates that massively.Anything to back that up?
It's Angry's decision to cry or not cry and the only thing holding him back is his promise with his brother Smiley. Yet he still doesn't cry on every ******* fight on purpose to make himself stronger cuz he simply doesn't need it.Don't bring this "she never showed her potential", she just said that she avoided her potential, avoiding is a decision and it's nothing mandatory, she was not bound by any supernatural means to stop her potential.
Yes.Same, if she doesn't say that her entire thing for not showing her potential was to save Takeomi, then that just means it's restricted to Takeomi?
Close but not that simple.Is your entire argument just "They didn't say it then it's not the case"?
Don't understand how you got that. Senju stopped avoiding her potential from Chapter 229 and onwards cuz that's literally what was stated.Then it would never make sense for Senju to show her true potential even more. That's literally it.
Depends on the context.See, in a life-or-death situation, you don't care about "holding back for Takeomi" of course.
Takeomi would be corrupted by money if she showed true potential there. It's basically the same thing.Plus, the matter is completely different, Mikey would not activate his DI because he knows how much casualties it causes,
My guy I have not accepted this as a complete bullet dodge feat yet and that's why I've contacted other CGMs and have responded as such in the blog comments and you're absoltely the last one to talk as you blatantly called us out for lying and editing scans while also having not shown the full context of the feat originally which I personally immediately called out. So I definitely don't want to hear it from youAll that insulting just to go and make the calculation I was talking about. It seems like I was accused of posting fake scans for no reason. Great.
It doesn't.'"When did I start avoiding my true potential?" in the South vs Senju fight indicates that massively.
Stop mentioning other stuff to back up your claim. Angry's promise with Smiley isn't related. Secondly, there are promise priorities which can be understood easily by seeing my argument.It's Angry's decision to cry or not cry and the only thing holding him back is his promise with his brother Smiley. Yet he still doesn't cry on every ***** fight on purpose to make himself stronger cuz he simply doesn't need it.
Then anything you say doesn't make sense. There's no Takeomi during that feat there.Yes.
If that's even "close", it's just wrong.Close but not that simple.
She doesn't need to avoid her potential during saving Takemichi. Her avoiding potential is literally just for Takeomi.Don't understand how you got that. Senju stopped avoiding her potential from Chapter 229 and onwards cuz that's literally what was stated.
Doesn't depend on the context. Also, she stated it for Takeomi only and there was no Takeomi there. In fact, she would have died so no Takeomi caring takes place there as well.Depends on the context.
If you mean the bullet feat by "there", then did you just ignore the fact that Senju was just going to die in that moment?Takeomi would be corrupted by money if she showed true potential there. It's basically the same thing.
WHAT. THE. HELL.you're absoltely the last one to talk as you blatantly called us out for lying and editing scans while also having not shown the full context of the feat originally which I personally immediately called out.
My guy I have not accepted this as a complete bullet dodge feat yet and that's why I've contacted other CGMs and have responded as such in the blog comments and you're absoltely the last one to talk as you blatantly called us out for lying and editing scans while also having not shown the full context of the feat originally which I personally immediately called out. So I definitely don't want to hear it from you
As said prior though I'll leave any opinions up to the other staff members decisions
You missed this I guess + I didn't mean to accuse you for editing scans. I thought you used edited scans mistakenly so that's why I said that. I never directly said that you edited the scans yourself and like you said, who would waste their time for that.lol. Didn't see this. Funny how you are going to report me cuz I was "lying about that particular scene" when I literally proved I didn't and just got one sentence wrong cuz of a translation error. You literally accused me of faking and blatantly lying about the feat here and here without any proof.
I always questioned your demanour towards me since the start of the thread. I get it if you don't like some TR supporters but I don't wanna tolerate any more of your aggressive comments aimed at me.
I don't wanna pick any fights or stir up a controversy here so please tone down the hate. I sincerely apologize if my demanour towards you was wrong. Let's not drag this out.
What???WHAT. THE. HELL
Sorry if that disturbed you, I was genuinely surprised by how the same stuff as false accusations to staff are happening again. KLOL left evaluating TR because he was accused for "not accepting a calc higher than 300 kJ" and just downgrading the Taiju feat.What???
Oh those have never stopped lol. See any thread prior to this or even this one apparently im "abusing my power" and am "corrupt" by disagreeing and proposing a discussion ruleSorry if that disturbed you, I was genuinely surprised by how the same stuff as false accusations to staff are happening again. KLOL left evaluating TR because he was accused for "not accepting a calc higher than 300 kJ" and just downgrading the Taiju feat.
good counter argument.It doesn't.
It's pretty much the same bruh. Senju using her true potential is a stat amp just like Angry's Crying Blue Ogre.Stop mentioning other stuff to back up your claim. Angry's promise with Smiley isn't related. Secondly, there are promise priorities which can be understood easily by seeing my argument.
I answered this.Then anything you say doesn't make sense. There's no Takeomi during that feat there.
Good counter argument.If that's even "close", it's just wrong
Senju avoiding her potential is for everything that affects Takeomi directly or indirectly. You probably think It's only directly but then she wouldn't stop avoiding her potential aganist South cuz Brahman losing and getting disbanded would not affect Takeomi directly.She doesn't need to avoid her potential during saving Takemichi. Her avoiding potential is literally just for Takeomi.
good counter argument.Doesn't depend on the context.
She didn't know she would die for saving Takemichi there so this doesn't count as a life or death situation and even if it was, that's still not enough to back your claim up.If you mean the bullet feat by "there", then did you just ignore the fact that Senju was just going to die in that moment?
I didn't say anything like that to Dale or any staff members (in fact, I remember telling Hollow to stop saying shit like that in a blog post). Stop correlating stuff that has no relevance to me.Sorry if that disturbed you, I was genuinely surprised by how the same stuff as false accusations to staff are happening again. KLOL left evaluating TR because he was accused for "not accepting a calc higher than 300 kJ" and just downgrading the Taiju feat.
same goes to this. I never said anything like that.Oh those have never stopped lol. See any thread prior to this or even this one apparently im "abusing my power" and am "corrupt" by disagreeing and proposing a discussion rule
No one accused you, the statements were made about the thread in general. You're quite literally the only one making accusations here as no one said "man Dinozxd said this"This thread is starting to become a controversial thread accusing me for stuff I didn't even do. I suggest you two to stop doing that because it's just disrespectful and insulting.
There is a difference between a perception blitz and a reaction blitz lad...uhh, off topic, but i feel like the term blitzzed is used a bit too much...even when it really isn't a blitz
spoilers for demon slayer, but to give an example
here we have koku moves fast enough that Muichiro's blade is inches from his neck mid-swing and then he grabs the blade (bottom left corner of the page), pulls it from Muichiro's grasp, and impales him on it so quickly that Muichiro doesn't even register that the blade is gone until he's already pinned against the pillar.
or giyuu moving fast enough to tie up inosuke, then hang him from a tree without the latter even realizing what happened
panel(1) panel(2)
something like this, a blitz is when the opponent's speed is so much higher there legit nothing you can do to even preceive his movement
hope this helps
No one accused you, the statements were made about the thread in general. You're quite literally the only one making accusations here as no one said "man Dinozxd said this"
My guy I have not accepted this as a complete bullet dodge feat yet and that's why I've contacted other CGMs and have responded as such in the blog comments and you're absoltely the last one to talk as you blatantly called us out for lying and editing scans while also having not shown the full context of the feat originally which I personally immediately called out. So I definitely don't want to hear it from you
As said prior though I'll leave any opinions up to the other staff members decisions
a blitz by wiki definition is an an all around outclassing in speed, other characters commenting how fast someone is really just indicates they're at least somewhat comparableThere is a difference between a perception blitz and a reaction blitz lad
Kakucho clearly blitzed Inui and Chifuyu, they couldn't even react pala blitz by wiki definition is an an all around outclassing in speed, other characters commenting how fast someone is really just indicates they're at least somewhat comparable
...and yes, i've seen a lot of the "blitzes" provided, none of them really showed an all around outclassing in speed in any form
can i see the feat againKakucho clearly blitzed Inui and Chifuyu, they couldn't even react pal
I was remaking your calculation but I realised I couldn't be farked, you did it wrong cause Takemichi's mouth is gaping open in the second image meaning his face length is alot longer, so I would change it to face width (from just under his eye) for better accuracy. I also wanna say that I don't think hair length counts to a characters height, might be wrong but I think it shouldn't.Dino you realize the one you linked was for something you actually did
Something we just got past so now I guess you're just backtracking or something?
I'm gonna say this again. I never lied about the feat. I was misinformed because of a translation error. You guys accused me of faking a scan and cutting out panels in a feat. I got annoyed and said that you used an edited scan. I never even said that you edited the scan on purpose, It's extremely normal for a scan website to translate something wrong and post it on their website and mislead people. I even apologized for that above.Dino you realize the one you linked was for something you actually did
I only pointed out the way you acted towards me at the start of the thread even though I never said anything agressive to you.Something we just got past so now I guess you're just backtracking or something?
can i see the feat again
i've never really read the series i'm just judging based on the information i saw in the thread