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Halo General Revision Thread.

Only like a 200 ish ton downgrade.

Also, I'm attempting to calc MC's durability from flying through an explosion created by two Longsword fighters. My inital raw result before going to a blog yielded 0.67 tons. That's consistent with getting a suit with far better shields and tanking 6 fuel rods.

I'm still expecting Low-End 8-C durability.
 
Mr Bambu basically pointed out another problem with the calc actually. It's basically the assuming that it only took one shot from each Knight which I mentioned above was what he was pointing out. But 8-B seems quite reasonable.

Also, I commented on that blog. Looks good, though, lowend looks better IMO.
 
I would agree on the second method for that explosion.

The first one was riding on some serious assumptions. While the second one literally has MC emerging from the epicenter of an active explosion.
 
Incineration calc was redone at 8-A, which seems pretty good. It should scale to the Gravemind's durability it was the one taking multiple shots. Multi-City Block level durability for Gravemind seems legit.

John's Gen 1 shields will be 8-C in durability for sure, but I think striking strength is still Small Building level+. Building level+ for gen 2 still seems a little iffy, but it might be okay considering Buck's feat. Shields have the "+" sign for taking 2 sparks though.
 
1) What;s Buck's feat 2) I'm sort of leaning towards possibly 8-C Striking Strength but that's just me.
 
1) Buck stomped on a Promethean soldier and killed it in one hit was his feat. 2) Shields are generally more designed to protect against heat/energy based attacks; it doesn't really do much for protecting melee attacks. Compare Mk IV Spartans to Mk V Spartans; they're physical strength and durability isn't really all that different. Cal for example has demonstrated feats that were deemed impressive even for Spartan-II standards; such as blocking an attack known for flattening fully shielded Spartans with ease. And that's despite Cal wearing Mk IV which doesn't even have shields.
 
I think that Cal stopping a Brute Gravity Hammer with a single seemingly casual strike may just be an outlier.
 
Well, it's debatable whether or not blocking a Gravity Hammer is an outlier, but Cal's still considered/implied in the books one of, if not the strongest Spartan physically. Her briefly surviving a direct hit to the head should count for something though. It's also possible that that Chieftain isn't quite as strong as other Brute Chieftains; such as Tartarus or Atriox.
 
Where was that implied as being such?

Maybe that Brute was on thw weaker end of Chieftains with Cal being on the stronger end of Spartans, but I can't think of any way to prove that
 
I'm not sure where it was specifically stated, but she was described as being strong even for Spartan-II standards. Don't think it was ever stated to be the strongest though. We know John isn't actually the strongest Spartan, though he's the most well-rounded and effective overall. She's also still the one who has other feats to boot; such as punching that same Chieftain hard enough to make him vomit, and the best lifting strength feats came from her.

And wait, actually Samuel-034 would have been the strongest Spartan of them all, but he died too soon. John also said Linda was at one point was in a way the strongest, but that sounds more like out of personality/willpower rather than physical strength.
 
So a Wraith is stated in First Strike to be able to vaporize anything in a 20 meter radius with its plasma mortar including titanium and concrete

That would make their mortars 8-A+
 
I don't really like the idea of assuming it can just vaporize a 20 meter ball of Titanium in one shot; that's very assumptive and would return Town level BFG by assuming that can vaporize a 15 meter radius ball of flesh by that logic. It's better to stick with the feats it actually did perform. It vaporized roughly a 100 fodder grunts, which is ~30 Gigajoules.

And other than that, one Wraith melted the outside plating of 7 other Wraiths in 2 shots. But it did not melt let alone vaporize the entire tanks.
 
Hang on, let me find the exact line but from what im seeing this is something the Wraith actually did
 
The BFG had that same line of reasoning though. We cannot assume its a giant sphere of Titanium or Flesh or whatever
 
Except unlike the bfg this is a feat that actually happened, not just a weapon description
 
Okay, but not sure if that's really spherical, or flat circular plate. Also, it mentioned it took 12 tanks to do that. I'll come back later since something IRL came up.
 
So you guys dont break your necks:

Fred had seen them in action; they fired an encapsulated blob of plasma that obliterated everything within twenty meters of impact. Titanium battle plate, concrete, or flesh—it all vaporized
~ Halo: First Strike (Chapter 112)​
 
In my opinion we should have a lowball (Fred refers that the tanks can fire a blob vaporaizes the 20 meters) and a highball (Considering the twelve firing at the same time, aka dividing by 12), If it gets 8-A then bosses and the Incineration cannon calc. would be well supported/consistent.
 
A General vaporization calc without the vaporization of any materials would still be 8-A+, cutting it in half assuming just the ground where the mortar impacted was vaporized would be 8-A, 5.14e+11 joules to be exact
 
Can we add this topics to the thread:

-The Nukes on Chief's profile.

-Revisting Spartans (Mainly Chief), Prometheans and some Coevenant powers and abilities.
 
Fair enough, I'm personally fine with using general vaporization, at least on half sphere. P.S. That's vaporization of rock is the standard value. 8-A is fine, but I still need to note that Wraiths are Glass Cannons; since they can be destroyed by 8-C weapons.
 
Yes Wraiths are glass cannons

Also would Hunters have 8-A durability for being able to block Incineration Cannons with their shields?
 
We still need to wait for a calc. and discuss the whole thing about them being glass canons, its just weird how they can trade blows against Scorpions and viceverse but getting destroyed by Rockets and Lasers.
 
I don't remember Hunters blocking Incineration Cannons with their shields; I merely remember them getting one shotted. If there's a clip, then maybe their shields can or different key, but them being 8-A naturally is iffy.
 
Wraiths don't trade blows with other Wraiths in Cannon; all it takes is one shot to ruin 3 wraiths. Also, that's more heat resistance Vs Blunt Force Trauma.
 
I remember some cannon evidence outside in-game, would post it later if I found it.
 
The energy required to fragmentize the entire body of a Scorpion or a Wraith is 8-C. I did the calcs; Scorpion is 66 Metric tons of Titanium, which fragmentising that would be around 3 Gigajoules. And same with Wraiths, they're made of 45 tons of Nanomalite, which is similar to Titanium; it's stated to have the same heat capacity and density. Energy required to fragmentize a Wraith through sheer force is only around 2 Gigajoules.

Also, Scorpion Tank Shells were calc'd at Wall level. 90mm x 970m Tank Shells are 19.39 kg, and fire at a muzzle velocity of 822.96 m/s. 0.5 * 19.39 * (822.96)^2 = 6,678,885.5 Joules. Which is 9-B. Ramming speed of various vehicles are also calc'd in that range.
 
@Dark Problem is most vehicles can kill fully shielded spartans by running into them
 
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