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I misremembered the scene:
As a bonus though have a depressed Promethean Knight.
As a bonus though have a depressed Promethean Knight.
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Halo: Master Chief and Spartans' revisions and downgrades
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I found some potential LS feats, one actual, and one speculated. I don't know how to calc either, and one isn't on the common feats page. I consulted the Calc Group on the Calc Group forum on how to approach it.
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I guess we can still use this as a striking strength feat or something.
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You could use the 12 ton leg statement if you want.
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I found this door feat from the Fall of Reach in a respect thread. I have a bunch of Halo novels, but my living situation changed and most of my books are in storage, and thus inaccessible. Where did this statement come from? Do you have it handy?
If so, that's consistent with Ripa's Class 25 11 ton feat, and four Spartans working together to move a 100 ton stone block.
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Nice find. That's a legit Class 25 feat.
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There's more. This statement that Spartans in Gen 3 can withstand up to 38 G's before worrying about blacking out.
Master Chief in armor is 451.3 Kilograms, so under 38 g he would be 17149.4 Kilograms, 17.1 Metric tons, also Class 25.
Feats for some Banished weapons. The former is probably the Ravager, and I might be able to calc that destroying a Broadsword's wing.
Master Chief in armor is 451.3 Kilograms, so under 38 g he would be 17149.4 Kilograms, 17.1 Metric tons, also Class 25.
Feats for some Banished weapons. The former is probably the Ravager, and I might be able to calc that destroying a Broadsword's wing.
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How much power would it take to completely obliterate a Wraith via an explosion? I ask because the Hrunting Mark 1 Prototype Suit in Legends was able to do that with one of its custom made explosives.
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Total fragmentation? In the upper end of
That is if we can prove total fragmentation. I think Medeus is a bit overzealous when it comes to dismissing vehicle destruction. Firstly, we have no clue about the power source of Covenant vehicles and their volatility, secondly, for instance a Gasoline tank exploding in a car doesn't even come close to fragmenting the entire thing, let alone heating it up enough in a given timeframe to significantly weaken the structure.
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I mean the explosion wasn't even a purple one like what happens when Covenant vehicles are destroyed, it was like what you'd see from human explosives so it was just the blast from the suit's claymore thing.
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You are correct.
Fragmentation of 47000 Kilograms of Titanium, the mass of a Wraith is...... 10444444.444 cc * 550 = 5.7444444442 Gigajoules, or 8-C+.
Had a brain fart there, but it would still be consistent with how powerful UNSC explosives are.
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It is a AMV, but here it is
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Nice, that makes it consistent too with the fact that this suit was the first attempt at Power Armor for the UNSC, meaning you could potentially scale this thing to the Mantis since it and the Cyclops are descendants of the Hrunting Prototype Suit.
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How big is that explosion the suit makes when it flies out of the mountainside like that?
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I'm not as adept with explosion calcs as others, but eyeballing from that hangar door, it could easily be 8-C+, or lower in High 8-C.
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More consistency!
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Man, I forgot just how OP the Hrunting Prototype was. That huge cannon on the back of it ripped right through a Hunter in one-shot as well as destroyed a Phantom with only four or five shots and the regular mini-gun on the arm rips Elites to shreds despite having energy shields as if they aren't even there.
The fact that this ******* suit could survive a Phantom exploding on top of it with only moderate damage is insane.
The fact that this ******* suit could survive a Phantom exploding on top of it with only moderate damage is insane.
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Also once my most recent calcs are evaluated, it would probably be best to make a new thread since this discussion and calculations have given us much much more to talk about. I'll begin drafting it in a Doc in the meantime.
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Yeah it does, I think it’s with the blade, I think there’s a gif in the MC respect thread
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Imagine beating up some of the Flood with a chair
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JEROME'S COMING FROM THE TOP ROPE WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
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Oh boy....I am not looking forward to this nightmare of a discussion but I revisited the Incineration Cannon, the Gravemind, and the Proto-Gravemind in Halo Wars 2 + Statements and recalculated the Incineration Cannon in the 7-C range...
I swear on the blood of Master Chief himself, the Rings, and the spirit of Halo that I was NOT out to wank this. I sought out a different perspective and this is what I got. There could be mistakes...but it's pretty blatant.
If accepted, no this is not an Outlier and I can explain why. I'll be lazy and copy-paste what is in my blog.
The Incineration Cannon is basically the Apex of Infantry weaponry in Halo, and literally nothing else comes even remotely close. The same passage I quoted even implies these weapons are In-between Forerunner starship weapons, and Infantry weapons and were used when neither was really appropriate. And if you know anything about Halo, Forerunner starship weapons are extremely powerful, and this is consistent with the technology being laughably superior to UNSC or Covenant weaponry.
I swear on the blood of Master Chief himself, the Rings, and the spirit of Halo that I was NOT out to wank this. I sought out a different perspective and this is what I got. There could be mistakes...but it's pretty blatant.
If accepted, no this is not an Outlier and I can explain why. I'll be lazy and copy-paste what is in my blog.
The Incineration Cannon is basically the Apex of Infantry weaponry in Halo, and literally nothing else comes even remotely close. The same passage I quoted even implies these weapons are In-between Forerunner starship weapons, and Infantry weapons and were used when neither was really appropriate. And if you know anything about Halo, Forerunner starship weapons are extremely powerful, and this is consistent with the technology being laughably superior to UNSC or Covenant weaponry.
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Holy hell.... Wouldn't this by extension severely buff up the Hardlight Shield and Hunter Shields since they can block these blasts?
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In a moment I will calculate just that. DDM already did the heavy lifting for that in his Heavy Weaponry blog.
The Incineration Cannon is purely thermal energy, so it's not like the Hunter shields take even a fraction of the energy, but it would still be huge...especially since the Prototype suit can overpenetrate their shields.
The hardlight shield bounces the entire blast to boot, so it would be upgraded indeed.
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So would the Prototype Suit's Cannon scale to whatever the Hunter Shield calc gets?
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Copying DDM's math and applying the low-end....
Warden Eternal: 9977.85 * 6.12/1017.88 = 59.9917 Tons, 8-B+
Grunt Goblin: 9977.85 * 5.23896137525/1017.88 = 51.355 Tons, 8-B
Hunter Shields: 9977.85 * 3.28064847059/1017.88 = 32.158 Tons, 8-B. (Note that we will need to find a more correct surface area for Hunter shields, but I can tackle that at another time)
I think I've just created a monster. Even if the calc gets adjusted and tempered by the Calc Group...yeah I'm not looking forward to how this complicates scaling.
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The Prototype Suit is also hella unique because it was a one of a kind irreplaceable suit of armor that has its own unique feats like being within the epicenter of an exploding Phantom without sustaining much damage at all. I think it's shield was even still up.
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I guess the result isn't necessarily crazy. All three enemies can take multiple hits from the Spartan Laser, and I think Hunter Shields can as well IIRC.
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It does. That being said, Halo Sniper Rifles, whether Human, Covenant or Forerunner are all insanely cracked. Both the Sniper Rifle and Beam Rifle can one-shot Spartans and Elites most of the time if shot in the head.
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Here is the statement that I firmly believe legitimizes this.
"The Incineration Cannon was often used to strategically purge Flood-infected sites. Prometheans used the Incineration Cannon when assaulting a location believed to contain a Gravemind, or early-forming spore mountains, that were deemed too small for ship weapons but too large for infantry weapons."
I think this is pretty clear, and implies the sheer power of the Incineration cannon on top of the calc.
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Yeah, the Incineration Cannon is just built different. Speaking of cannons, how powerful are Hunter Assault Cannons compared to standard Fuel Rod Cannons?
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I think that we assume with reasonably good faith that they are relative in power, though Hunter cannons fire a more continuous stream of plasma.
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I always assumed the Assault Cannon was stronger purely through sheer rate of fire if nothing else.
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At a minimum they are comparable.
Now we await a tense discussion....
"Junkie. Who would win between you and the Halo detractors?"
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"If they brought out the Fusion nukes, Terminal Velocity, and Incredulity arguments they might give me a bit of trouble..."
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Forgive the meme post, but...get ready Halo supporters!---
"If they brought out the Fusion nukes, Terminal Velocity, and Incredulity arguments they might give me a bit of trouble..."
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"But would you lose?"
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Can't Mjolnir armor be set to Self-Destruct like the Hrunting Prototype Suit? Should we perhaps calc that if there's not an official number given for the payload?At a minimum they are comparable.
Now we await a tense discussion....
"Junkie. Who would win between you and the Halo detractors?"Forgive the meme post, but...get ready Halo supporters!
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"If they brought out the Fusion nukes, Terminal Velocity, and Incredulity arguments they might give me a bit of trouble..."
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"But would you lose?"
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Not so fast, as eager as I am to turn a downgrade thread around, there's nothing suggesting Spartans physically are in this range. Master Chief was knocked out by a blast that created an 8-C crater, cannot survive a hit from the Warden Eternal's sword, nor can he withstand the Splaser.
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The Prototype suit's Self Destruct is like 7-B or so eyeballing it, but I have no idea what Mjolnir's self destruct is like.
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