Halo General Revision Thread.

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@Weekly, that's just game mechanics actually. Goombas aren't Tier 4 via one shotting Mario, Or Skeletons from Castlevania aren't 2-C. Spartans have survived Speeding Warthogs in the books, but them getting one shotted by them is game mechanics.

 

[KarmodF]

The energy required to fragmentize the entire body of a Scorpion or a Wraith is 8-C. I did the calcs; Scorpion is 66 Metric tons of Titanium, which fragmentising that would be around 3 Gigajoules. And same with Wraiths, they're made of 45 tons of Nanomalite, which is similar to Titanium; it's stated to have the same heat capacity and density. Energy required to fragmentize a Wraith through sheer force is only around 2 Gigajoules.

Also, Scorpion Tank Shells were calc'd at Wall level. 90mm x 970m Tank Shells are 19.39 kg, and fire at a muzzle velocity of 822.96 m/s. 0.5 * 19.39 * (822.96)^2 = 6,678,885.5 Joules. Which is 9-B. Ramming speed of various vehicles are also calc'd in that range.

What would affect this tho?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Proving the point that Wraiths are Glass Cannons in Canon. And Scorpion Tanks are clearly not 8-A. There is no scientific evidence to support that outside of reverse power scaling. Not to mention, power scaling inanimate objects; especially ones made of real world technology, do not work the same way scaling characters do.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah no, Wraiths are glass cannons in canon

 

[KarmodF]

Im quite sure they arent, I get that we base calcs. for almost everything in here but feats>calcs thats why we dont put larged size monsters at 9-B because a striking strenght calc. put them at that level we still scale them to size because of feats.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@KarmodF Wraiths canonically have a dead zone where they cant fire at a certain angle or they risk blowing themselves up with their own mortars

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Not to mention, power scaling inanimate objects; especially ones made of real world technology, do not work the same way scaling characters do.

Repeating that section because I have to. And bolding the highlighted words. The difference is that almost every character in fiction has something that make them different than then just bags of organs. They either have souls, Ki, Lifeforce, Magic, "The Force", or something that grants than superhuman strength. I get it, if fiction was 100% realistic, every superhuman character should be outrageously heavy. But Iron or Titanium Tanks are just Iron or Titanium tanks, nothing more.

 

[KarmodF]

I am quite sure their shielding works for protection against their mortars.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Am i really going to have to go get another book just to prove a point? Because i will. Its from Halo: The Flood - page 184.

 

[KarmodF]

Can you quote a part of the line I have the PDF but it has no paging?

Forget about it:

Then they were through the screen, and more important, inside the dead area where the Wraith couldn't fire mortar bombs without risking dropping them on itself.
	~ Halo: The Flood (whatever the page is)​

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I dont have the line, only the page number unfortunately

 

[KarmodF]

I would comment more about my opinion on the topic "tomorrow" since over here is 5 a.m. already.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'll try to get the line from the book tomorrow

 

[KarmodF]

@Weekly

Then they were through the screen, and more important, inside the dead area where the Wraith couldn't fire mortar bombs without risking dropping them on itself.
	~ Halo: The Flood (whatever the page is)​

I would still wait to explain my points, also this should put Warden and Goblins at 8-A?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Warden Eternal and Grunt Goblins could be 8-A yes. Speaking of the Grunt Goblin profile, we should probably alter some changes and treat it as a weapon/vehicle profile rather than character one. Also need to move it to the Weapons/Vehicles section on the Verse page.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Would the goblins be 8-A physically? Or durability-wise?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Durability would be that high, Unsure about their Attack Potency being that high. Warden Eternal would be 8-A in general. Also, can I see the formula work/for where you got your Wraith calc? I been plugging in random stuff in a calculator and still getting exaggerated results.

Edit: I got to get ready for work, but I'll be available about 9 hours from now.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I dont have the line, only the page number unfortunately

What's the page number? I have Halo The Flood

 

[WeeklyBattles]

184 but if you have the large print version the number will likely be different

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Okay. If there are any other parts of books to be checked, I can check them if I have the book.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Someone wanna calc a Sticky Detonator blowing up two blast doors?

 

[KarmodF]

Heavily doubt thats calculable, if anything it should be around 9-B or 9-A.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

There are better shots of the same doors earlier in the video. Its definitely in the tier 9 range but a number would be nice to have.

 

[KarmodF]

I would laugh my ass off if it yields higher than 9-A.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

That's a trailer. It can't be used anyway

 

[Hellbeast1]

RIP

 

[KarmodF]

Shouldnt the Sticky Detonator just scale to the Granade Launcher from Reach? aka 9-A.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Why cant it...?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Would it be fair to say The Answer is 9-A? Seeing as it can kill a fully shielded spartan in 5 shots?

 

[KarmodF]

It should be 1-A seeing how broken that thing was at launch.

Serious answer? I think so.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Yeah. Also, all Forerunner weapons should be 9-A since they can quickly down a Spartan's shields.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

It should be 1-A seeing how broken that thing was at launch.
Serious answer? I think so.

Much downplay boyo. It should be High 1-A+ ovo

 

[Hellbeast1]

Best gun 2015 right there ^^^

(PS probably though it does damage the Warden)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah. Also, all Forerunner weapons should be 9-A since they can quickly down a Spartan's shields.

I mean technically ALL Halo weapons can do that but we treat it as game mechanics unless its done with a stupidly low number of shots (ie. 3)

 

[KarmodF]

All Forerunner weapons can Ionize with short kill times even in canon, the Lightrifle was so powerful that his shot even pierced ancient human's armor and the light bullet would still travel.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Got a quote to back that up? Currently the regular Forerunner weapons are only 9-B

 

[KarmodF]

Wait, I screwed up, it was standart Forerunner rifle the ones wich pierce trough the armor, I dont know how they scale.

 

[KarmodF]

I think its kinda a lowball in any case since the ancient humans have armor with much more durability than the Covenant wich used reinforced Titanium in 2552.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Thats not the standard forerunner rifle, the standard rifles are the lightrifle and the suppressor, the one being used by the Warrior-Servant there doesnt have a name.

I mean even with that it'd only be 9-B armor, 9-B is a really big tier.

 

[KarmodF]

In any case I would still say all forerunner weaponry (except for Halo 4 boltshot) should be 9-A since they can Ionize spartans in a very little timeframe.