Halo General Revision Thread.

[Reppuzan]

@Karmod

Not invulnerability. Armor Lock is purely a forcefield.

I'm also doubtful if we should allow Overshield and Invisibility since they aren't standard equipment for John in any medium. Same goes for Hologram, Power Drain, and Invincibility.

Are any of those weapons standard equipment for John?

Where does resistance to fire come from?

 

[KarmodF]

I am refering Invincibility more than any abilities regarding Invulnerability since its suposed to negate damage.

All of those are equipment, like Hologram, Power Drain, etc... can be requested by a Spartan to the UNSC so it can be deployed in combat with them similar to the Reqs and others.

The fire resistance has been there since a long time, i just changed the Heat resistance since somebody most likely confused them.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Karmod

But John doesn't take any of those abilities with him to combat in Halo 3, 4, or 5 (granted he went AWOL in the last two).

It would be extremely odd to list them as standard abilities and equipment when they're specifically not.

Invincibility is just enhanced energy shielding.

Fire resistance comes from what? You haven't answered my question.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

IIRC, in Halo 5 I think it was, John actually collects multiple Overshields, Bubble Shields, and Hard Light shields that can be activated when needed. Not sure if Hologram or Power Drain is. Invincibility is limited to Halo 3, so that's not technically standard equipment I guess. And it's something he finds, not something he carries.

And his shields resist plasma projectiles which is heat, not necessarily fire.

 

[KarmodF]

@Karmod But John doesn't take any of those abilities with him to combat in Halo 3, 4, or 5 (granted he went AWOL in the last two).

Equipment like Power Drain and others aren't Standart Equipment per-se, but can still be found and has been used, UNSC still has those equipment if the mission demands them, they excahnged weaponry with the Covenant, and as shown in various missions, the equipment heavily varies, like Chief been deployed with a SPNKr and such.

AFAIK Invincibility is more than just shield enhancement, but actual Invulnerability to physical damage.

Fire resistance would be Heat scaling from Plasma Weaponry wich Armor are suposed to resist, i think.

 

[Reppuzan]

@DMM

I haven't played 5 so you'll have to fill me in with scans.

@Karmod

Invincibility is definitely not true invulnerability since those with invincibility on can still be killed via assassination in Halo: Reach. It also should not be on Chief's profile since it's Jirahanae equipment..

That's not resistance. That's only Energy Shielding deflecting it. MJOLNIR armor has been damaged by plasma fire on multiple occasions.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@Rep, I'll look for scans after my 8 hour work shift, but maybe Versus Junkie could provide them. If the power ups thing being stuff he carries is true.

@Karmod

• Players or NPCs who have activated the Invincibility equipment can still be killed by assassination, getting smashed by falling objects, getting splattered, or falling to their death from a great height.

Invincibility literally has the same weaknesses as Bubble Shields in which anyone can walk past them. And oh yeah, fair point. Though, he can survive in heated environments and there was he resisted the heat and impact falling from the 2 kilometer sky. But that's more so a casual Wall level durability feat. I'm fine with resistance to heat being removed.

Also, Soldier Blue said he was neutral towards deleting these profiles, which most of us seems to prefer to delete them. So I guess we could?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Noble Six also needs a few things added to his profile that Master Chief has as well.

- Invisibility (via Active Camo)

- Flight (via Jetpack)

- Limited Illusion Creation (via Hologram)

- Resistance to Heat (with Mjolnir shields being made to resist the heat of Covenant plasma weapons)

Possibly upgraded regen as well? Master Chief has it as Mid-Low regularly, but I'm not sure if there's a regen difference between Spartan II's and III's.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Shake

You can only take one at a time if I remember correctly.

Also, not regen. The MJOLNIR armor has biofoam that temporarily seals and disinfects wounds, which is the reason for the "regen".

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Master Chief's revisions will effect Noble Six, yes, but some of those might get removed. Noble Six does have regen, but his versions lower than John do to being limited to Mk V. And it's low regen naturally, but gels give Mid-low and MJOLNIR shields have Mid-Low. And actually, what Reppuzan said, it should be Healing not Regen actually. Only the shields have actual regen.

 

[KarmodF]

I am talking about Halo 3 Invicibility wich is literally 100% damage proof, wich is Time Based and the user can only die if the Spartan falls from a cliff (Game mechanic).

All spartans should have Mid-Low with Shields and High-Low with the BioGel, Romeo survived having his chest open by a plasma shot thanks to the gel.

What about the equipment then?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Karmod

It's the exact same ability. You just don't have the assassination option in Halo 3.

Shields aren't regen and neither is biofoam. It's healing.

We use what Chief is known to carry around for equipment. An Assault Rifle, Pistol, SMGs, Grenades, and a Bubble Shield are all fair game.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

John can access the powerups we see in the games. Though they aren't part of his standard equipment. It would have to be specified by an OP if they could be used.

@Reppuzan Assasainations bypassing Invunrebility is a game mechanic.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

What true Invulnerability implies is that the character can withstand 3-A attacks unless said attack is a hax ability that negates invulnerability. It is NLF to assume Invincibility power is like that.

Also, in Halo 3, Invincibility can be bypassed throw falling off pits, touching water, and vehicle impacts. All pretty much game mechanics, but still absolutely nothing suggests it to be true invulnerability.

I agree with Rep, we can remove Regenerationn and replace it with healing instead. It's not healing factor, but them using technology and medication to heal wounds.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

About the Didact having keys. Shouldn't he have his Cryptum rather than a War Sphinx? He should be At least 7-B with his Cryptum. Considering he brought down the UNSC Infinity with it, and damaged it. And Master Chief implied that the Infinity only survived because the Didact wanted it to.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Makes sense I've no problem with it.

 

[KarmodF]

No, it wasn't the cryptum, it was the Mantle's Aproach, wich has the Composer and the Cryptum inside.

We still need to debate about Invincibility being Invulnerability.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

The Mantle's Approach hadn't launched at that time. The Didact launched it later in the game. He was in the Cryptum when he brought down, and damage the Infinity.

 

[KarmodF]

Wasnt that just an EMP that inhabilitated the ship and the Covenant breaching trough were the ones who damage it?

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I guess. But MC still implied that the Didact could've destroyed the Infinity if he wanted to.

 

[KarmodF]

Well, would he refer to the Cryptum or physically? Forerunner Warriors have 7-B feats in the Forerunner novel as far as i know, so that would mean that he has the same power in both H4 and the Forerunner novel triology.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Not sure witch. What 7-B feats in the novels? Any scans of them?

 

[KarmodF]

I think its tanking 30 megaton nukes or so and if i had scans i would have already post them.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

The 30 megaton nuke came from the end of Halo 4. And I think that was considered unreliable. However, it's not improbable that the shockwave of the blast may have propigated through slipspace with the Didact.

 

[KarmodF]

No, i am not refering to the Halo 4 nuke, it was a Novel feat as far as i am aware.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Interesting/ Post it here if you're able to find it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I haven't found a single thing mentioning the Havok Nuke in any of the Forerunner Novels. The only encounter Didact had with the Havok Nuke is mentioned above when John used it to destroy the Mantle's Approach and Composer in the end of Halo 4. Didact only survived via escaping via slipspace portal. Having separate keys for Mantle's Approach and the War Sphinx respectively seems alright.

Now that I think about it, I think we should probably remove Cortana's shield from John's profile. She defended him by gathering nearby hard light to form a shield; aka outside help. Plus, as mentioned above, any statistics or abilities that come from Cortana should not be on John's profile and should instead be on Cortana's profile once that gets created. The only Cortana related subject that should be on John's profile is a link to her profile in the equipment section.

That being said, Cortana's tier would best be Unknow. She herself doesn't actually have combat prowess, but she can hack any nearby computer technology she comes across. Pretty much every feat she has is done by outside help, but her hax and the setting she's in gives her access to it on a standard basis.

Speaking of which, should we remove the nukes from John's profile too? He doesn't actually carry them, and can only use them via outside help. I know Nova Terra has nukes on her profile, but that's mainly because it's an RTS game where Nuke Silos are often around; and she can summon nukes telekinetically. But John more so has support from the rest of the UNSC. It can still be listed as part of the UNSC Civilization's profile of course, but I think we can all agree that it's not part of John's standard equipment. Though, there are other characters with prep time keys. I'm overall neutral on whether or not they should stay, but would prefer to here what Reppuzan and Soldier Blue think.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Master Chief can't really utulize the nukes he carries anyways. But I'm also nuetral on those. Also DDM, what is your stance on the Didact being 7-B with his Cryptum?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I did say I was okay with it; about the 7-B Cryptum; was that the weapon equipped to the Mantle's Approach?

 

[VersusJunkie54]

No, the Cryptum is what the Didact initially used to get around on Requiem before getting his ship and the Composer.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Okay, I'm alright with it, but prefer to here what the others think.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I have a nagging feeling that the Gravemind, and Flood are missing some abilities they should have.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

What sort of abilities if you could elaborate? Although, looking a The Flood's profile, Space and Time Manipulation should specifically be Space and Time travel.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I can't say for certain. But don't the flood have some degree of Mind Manipulation? I recall that the Logic Plauge can mess with an organic being's mind as well. KarmodF may know more.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

They do that via parasitic infestation, biological hacking. They can turn average marines into these mindless zombies and then Gravemind and other more advanced floods control them via telepathy. They're similar to the Zerg from StarCraft in a way, I know that much.

Edit: The Flood already has Mind manipulation for the Ancient Key Mind flood's key.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I'm asking because I'm trying to make Kai Chisak vs the Gravemind. But eh, we'll see what KarmodF has to say.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Also concering suitless Master Chief. Shouldn't he be changed to At least 9-B since his 9-B feats were all casual, and right after his augmentations? That were said to get stronger as time went on?

And for his speed. I feel it should be At least Subsonic withot Mjolnir, since he was dodging stun bullets in the Fall of Reach, and has blitzed peak Humans. And like his strength, his speed was said to get stronger.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

He already has Supersonic combat speeds and reactions. His movement speed will stay where it is. His movement speed has been blatantly given to us and will stay where it is currently.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Well, most of his Wall level were done as a teenager yes, but Wall level is still a pretty big tier. His best notable feat however was falling 100 meters without breaking anything. Even if we assumed teenage John was the same weight as his adult self, which is a significant high ball, it would still be 130 kg * 9.807 m/s * 100 m = 127,491 Joules. He felt a little strain, but it's still casual none of the less. However, the 2 kilometer fall at 8.286 Megajoules; which is almost Wall level+ but not quite, still raised a lot of concerns for the marines. Yes, it was performed in Mjolnir and still a low-end feat, but the Johnson heavily implied that he would have ended up "In Pieces" if he didn't have Mjolnir. So, I don't quite think an "At least" is quite necessary. I'm not against it, but I think it's still preferably not to have it.

@Soldier Blue, I think Versus Junkie meant that he thinks Suitless John should have At least Subsonic combat speed. John with Mjolnir obviously is Supersonic in that regard and his movement speed of course remains SuperHuman.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Ah... My mistake.

That makes sense to me now.